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Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-15 14:37:29 (5 years 6 mons 6 days 15:03:00 ago)
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Hi Jer, Hello Holger, Greetings Redecentralizers,

Apologies for the tardy response time on my part, I wanted to do you the
courtesy of thinking about the content of this email rather than simply
dashing something off. Of course, with a young family, I have a chronic
case of too-much-to-do-and-not-enough-time-to-do-it-in syndrome...

On 08/01/14 13:03, Jeremie Miller wrote:
> Holger's cc wasn't included so maybe you can forward, but I'd be 
> very interested in getting the telehash community involved in what 
> you're talking about, I believe that's exactly what we've built 
> towards as a p2p framework and now have working
> 

Cool. I'll need to catch up with developments.

I'm working towards the P2P equivalent of the ubiquitous "blog" demo for
web frameworks or "ToDo" lists for client side JS frameworks. Perhaps a
simple P2P chat application. If such projects are to get traction with
developers they need to be very simple to use.

Sometimes I think what I'm doing is a bad case of NIH - it's only been
just over a year of work (in fits and starts) on my part yet telehash,
mainline and other DHT implementations have been around for years.
Nevertheless, I console myself that I've been thinking about this stuff
since my time at Fluidinfo, I'm have far too much fun and learning a
lot in the meantime and it's good to imagine / play / build solutions
as a mechanism for exploring a problem. To butcher an analogy, it's a
large garden and may many flowers bloom.

Finally, I think it's great that "redecentralize" appears to be
gaining traction: it's a valuable "village pump" around which we can
share idea, successes, failures and so on.

All the best,

Nicholas.

> Jer
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:49 AM, "Nicholas H.Tollervey" 
>> <ntoll@ntoll.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On 08/01/14 10:14, Ross Jones wrote: For the benefit of those
>>>> of us that couldn’t make it, but might be interested in 
>>>> events in Germany … could you elucidate?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> At last year's Europython Holger Krekel (cc'd) gave a keynote 
> titled "The return of peer-to-peer computing" 
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCgl0xXFVOg) which is well worth
> a watch. Buddies at the conference tweeted at me during his talk 
> telling me I should "get in touch with this guy" (knowing my 
> interest in P2P).
> 
> We exchanged emails and a group of us met for a P2P sprint in 
> November 2013 working in small groups on various different bits of 
> technology in both a practical "hacking" sense (i.e. we wrote code)
> and in a broader philosophical / architectural sense (i.e. we
> debated, discussed and brainstormed). It was a lot of fun.
> 
> At the end of the week we did a sort of show of what we'd all been 
> collaborating on. Holger, Fabian and I presented what you can find
> at http://p4p2p.net/ - we basically imagined what would be required
> in a framework for writing P2P applications: as Ruby on Rails or
> Django are for web applications, we asked ourselves what would be
> the equivalent for P2P..? In the end we looked at re-purposing some
> of the DHT work I'd been doing on the drogulus and Holger's execnet
> project (http://codespeak.net/execnet/). Since then, I've been
> lobotomozing the drogulus in order to extract the DHT parts that
> could be re-used in p4p2p.net.
> 
> Andi, Tom, Florian and Yiorgis looked at / discussed / presented / 
> hacked upon / broke / mended WebRTC, Tahoe, Crypho and techniques 
> for punching holes in firewalls / NAT.
> 
> We intend to do the same sort of thing again in Freiburg, perhaps 
> here:
> 
> http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p507456
> 
> (Sleeps 4-10 people and there's further accommodation and plenty
> of Alphorns close by - check out the photos.)
> 
> The provisional dates are Sunday, March 16th -> Friday, 21st.
> 
> If you're interested in attending drop me and/or Holger (cc'd) a 
> line.
> 
> Hope this makes things clearer and I'm more than happy to answer 
> any questions you may have,
> 
> Nicholas.


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