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David Burns [LibreList] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-14 10:32:47 (6 years 7 mons 21 days 21:25:00 ago)
I had not heard about lantern until today. My impression is it is tor without security. It just gives people a way to access blocked sites, and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential security nightmare. The only obvious advantage versus tor would be speed?  Hmmm...

Anyone know about this project and have an opinion?
Dave
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-14 14:19:49 (6 years 7 mons 21 days 17:38:00 ago)

In some jurisdictions circumventing the block is rarely persecuted.  Therefore presumably Lantern is intended for that use case.


-V

On Thursday, August 14, 2014, David Burns <tdbtdb@gmail.com> wrote:
I had not heard about lantern until today. My impression is it is tor without security. It just gives people a way to access blocked sites, and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential security nightmare. The only obvious advantage versus tor would be speed?  Hmmm...

Anyone know about this project and have an opinion?
Dave
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-14 14:28:04 (6 years 7 mons 21 days 17:30:00 ago)
Virgil!?!?!

On Aug 14, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Virgil Griffith <i@virgil.gr> wrote:

In some jurisdictions circumventing the block is rarely persecuted.  Therefore presumably Lantern is intended for that use case.

-V

On Thursday, August 14, 2014, David Burns <tdbtdb@gmail.com> wrote:
I had not heard about lantern until today. My impression is it is tor without security. It just gives people a way to access blocked sites, and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential security nightmare. The only obvious advantage versus tor would be speed?  Hmmm...

Anyone know about this project and have an opinion?
Dave
Daniel Maher [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-18 14:45:21 (6 years 7 mons 17 days 17:13:00 ago)
On 14/08/14 22:32, David Burns wrote:
> https://github.com/getlantern/lantern/wiki/Questions-and-Answers
> 
> I had not heard about lantern until today. My impression is it is tor
> without security. It just gives people a way to access blocked sites,
> and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential
> security nightmare. The only obvious advantage versus tor would be
> speed?  Hmmm...

There are certainly parallels with Tor, but with the addition of a
Freenet-style in the "friends" mode, whereby your traffic is routed
through a web of trust.

The stated goal is fairly plain: to help users in restrictive locales to
access some known-censored content, and to do so through trusted nodes
only.  In principle there's nothing wrong with this model, and the
software may indeed achieve that goal (given critical enough mass).  The
fact that it is unapologetically non-anonymous would be troublesome in
any other context, but generally speaking, a web of trust requires some
diminished anonymity anyway, so I can see why they've just chosen to
abandon any pre-text to such altogether.

That it only proxies a pre-defined set of sites is an interesting
element in the equation.  It fits well within the narrow scope of their
stated goal, but I worry about the content of that list - in particular,
who manages it exactly?  It would appear that there is an ironic
opportunity for censorship at this layer. :/

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dan (phrawzty).
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