We’ve had enough of digital monopolies and surveillance capitalism. We want an alternative world that works for everyone, just like the original intention of the web and net.

We seek a world of open platforms and protocols with real choices of applications and services for people. We care about privacy, transparency and autonomy. Our tools and organisations should fundamentally be accountable and resilient.


Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:35:23 (5 years 1 mon 9 days 07:26:00 ago)
I agree here too. There’s certainly other issues at work. But there’s a world of difference between a network where decentralization is easy and one where it’s almost prohibitively hard. The former might contain lots of market niches for centralized products, services, and trust chains, but the latter all but *prohibits* decentralized approaches to anything.

For decentralized networks, non-local firewalls and *especially* NAT present a “DENY ALL” rule that requires thousands of hours of “black art” engineering to overcome.


> Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization.  
> But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth
> Address.  I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather
> centralized traffic point within the network topology because of:
> 1. Ownership: company control of the server, its code, resulting usage data, 
>   screen space coming to attention of users, all useful for tracking 
>   and showing ads which brings monetization.
> 2. Easy Deployment: current web technology makes it easy to control 
>   the client-side code from a server (javascript/browsers),
>   allowing to reduce latency and to do code upgrades without 
>   manual intervention on the client side.  Just go to "google @ ZT1 earth"
>   and enjoy.
> 3. Sustainability: the resources (earned via ads, see above) to
>   invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to
>   build new services (GOTO 1)
> IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology
> and the raw IP protocol.  However I do agree with you, Adam, that NATs
> are making it even harder to grow sustained decentralized deployments of
> software and services.  But we also need to consider monetization or
> economical sustainability, easy software distribution and well evolved
> forms of collective deployments of software.