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Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 11:07:42 (5 years 1 mon 11 days 03:08:00 ago)
Oh sure, that would work.

What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way.

Take Twitter for example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples’ tweets. It does a few other things but that’s the core functionality. What about that couldn’t be replaced by a web of bi-directional RSS reader apps? By bi-directional I mean a reader that is also a writer/publisher and that runs a little web server as a tray app or something… something very simple and built entirely on current open standards.

Now take Facebook… is it that different? It has some additional functionality but really how hard would all that be to implement if every device had a real address?

Reachability, bandwidth, scalability, all these are a lot easier to solve if IP could… umm… *actually be used*.

Think about all the stuff we already have that is built upon IP, and how all if it could be used in a less centralized peer to peer manner if IP were allowed to actually work.

We do not need complicated things like libjingle, WebRTC, Maidsafe, etc. All we need is IP. In the short term we can have this world using network virtualization layers and/or meshnets. In the long term we can adopt IPv6, assign every device a real address, and improve device perimeter security enough that firewalls can be junked.

The other great thing about IP vs. those complicated protocols is that it’s all open and simple and straightforward. All those complicated, fragmented p2p monstrosities have their own peculiar APIs and very complex specifications. That means that software built upon them cannot interoperate easily with other software built upon others. IP and open standards like HTTP, JSON, XML, etc. are designed for heterogenous ecosystems of interoperable clients and servers.

The idea with ZeroTier was to be, as I said in my secret RSS feed, “a complicated thing that gets out of the way so we can do simple things.” The idea of ZeroTier is for it to serve as a stepping stone *out* of the fragmented broken-IP world— to offer an anti-lock-in path back to open protocols over a true many-to-many flat Internet address space. It’s a project/product designed to make itself obsolete.

-Adam

On Aug 31, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Eric Mill <eric@konklone.com> wrote:

> I got the feed, served off your laptop! Oh that was great fun.
> 
> If my RSS reader (Newsblur) installed ZeroTier on all their servers, would I be able to use it to subscribe to this feed off of your laptop?
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