We’ve had enough of digital monopolies and surveillance capitalism. We want an alternative world that works for everyone, just like the original intention of the web and net.

We seek a world of open platforms and protocols with real choices of applications and services for people. We care about privacy, transparency and autonomy. Our tools and organisations should fundamentally be accountable and resilient.


Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33 (5 years 1 mon 5 days 02:03:00 ago)
Hi Christian,

I'm in India - currently Delhi, but hover about a lot in the mountains to the north/north-east. I will look up the names you mentioned - thanks for sharing them. If you have links or document(s) handy, that would be really great too.

I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind when I shared this email, and second, the larger fight of generally making internet a better place :-)


On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel@firsthand.net> wrote:
Where are you Anish?

I was invited as their guest and attended the INCA conference in Bristol
UK for last two days in which alternative and community networks in UK
such as B4RN were very much in evidence.

One of the outcomes on my intray today is I was approached for some
enabling documentation that alternative network community providers
could provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and
comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network

The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based
services and the general levels of insecurity through third party
information sharing or theft (doxing)

Local Internet Society chapters are a good resource for this such as
mine ISOC UK England but as volunteer bodies they need community support
to build this type of information resource.


Anish Mangal wrote:
> Wanting to have a discussion with folks who work with or are involved in
> providing internet access to people/places which didn't have it before.
> Volunteering for the SchoolServer/XSCE[1] project, I largely work with
> communities which are rural, often remote, and largely disconnected to
> the internet. At these places, access to CC-licensed or public domain
> content is provided to children (sometimes specifically in schools) and
> the larger community through village-spanning wifi networks (for an
> example, see [2][3]). Many times there is no internet access, but in a
> few cases there is some limited (in bandwidth) connectivity available.
> Naturally, the question of "enabling the internet" comes up. Whether it
> be some educator or an elder in the village, they want to be aware of
> the benefits and the dangers of enabling internet access.
> A few years ago, I myself believed that the internet is a force for
> good, and wider internet access is the only way forward. Lately however,
> my perceptions have changed. There are many real issues related to
> privacy, cultural change etc. that need to discussed at length with the
> community and this involves effort. The short cut is to assume that
> people will learn themselves once access is provided, but I don't
> believe in that any more.
> So, if I as a volunteer working in these places cannot spend time to
> have this discussion with the stakeholders involved, I would actually
> prefer not providing access (postponing for later). This would have
> sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed to
> this list right now :-)
> Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline)
> services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I
> would love to have a discussion to form some kind of:
> (1) Key points worth discussing with a community before enabling
> internet a ccess
> (2) Have some kind of on-ramp as a template
> I know there are large foundations and many people working at this, and
> this needs to be thought through. For example, if you go to the mozilla
> web-literacy website [4] they seem to have a logical progression
> structure from Explore -> Build -> Connect. I don't think that is correct.
> Regardless of my actions or whatever the XSCE project does, more people
> are going to go online through Facebook's internet.org
> <http://internet.org>, or google balloons etc.. So this is a fight worth
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