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juh [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 23:20:00 (1 year 8 mons 23 days 03:47:00 ago)

Hi Dominic,


Am 28.02.2017 um 20:52 schrieb Dominic Tarr:
> Although I no one denies that it's usable, it seems you disagree with
> it's creator about whether signal is decentralized
> https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/

this is an interesting read.

It says that innovation needs some kind of centralization, because of
the pace of development.

All users like to have a fast development which improves the UX from
release to release.

Decentralized protocols are blockers for an agile development of services.

I am not experienced enough to judge whether this is true.

But it fosters my idea that we must talk about control, not about software.

If it is true that some services requires centralization, we have to
control the centralized infrastructure by appropriate means.

For example: In Germany the top level domain "de" is controlled by a
cooperative organisation, which is owned by its members.

(BTW the idea of cooperatives is now on the list of the intangible
cultural heritage of UNESCO.
http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/en/RL/idea-and-practice-of-organizing-shared-interests-in-cooperatives-01200
)

In the beginning television in Germany was organised under public law,
controlled by a board which consist of members from "relevant social
groups". Television in that time had a public mission. With the advent
of private television this system was forced into a niche and people
started to degenerate.

What I want to say is. There are means to control infrastructure

a. collectively
b. by a public board

so that the infrastructure is neither controlled by the state nor by
corporations.

Especially b. was and is criticized in Germany by special interest
groups that want to privatize the entire public sector. Their success is
undeniable. Germany today is nearly completely private property.

I think that this is the front line. We have to fight back private
interest in the net. And because this is contrary to the individualised
ethos of most western developers (I don't want to say libertarianism) it
is not happening. Instead things like bitcoin come up which fuel the
next decade of predator capitalism.

Instead I would propose, for example, to found an organisation under
public law to distribute literature like Amazon is doing with its
services. Not only literature from the public domain but also new
literature. But the central stock would be our literal heritage which is
only very slowly digitalized, in Germany at least.

This organisation would distribute public domain E-Books for free and
printed books from the public domain for a cost-covering fee. And it
would give authors and readers the possibility to sell and buy books
directly, just as Amazon and Createspace are doing now.

But nothing happens. German publishers complain about the mighty
position of Amazon and try to defend their position by lobbying the
parliament to make strange laws.

If you can read German this might entertain you.
http://www.sudelbuch.de/2014/08/15/nimm-doch-mal-wieder-das-pferd/

So. In one word. Let us discuss not only software but also alternative
means of common control.

Ciao!
juh





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