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Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
inclined to say our projects solve fairly different problems. Let me step through the Mint.com example to hopefully clarify the differences. Mint's application is hosted by remote servers which proxy to your bank's host servers. The details may have changed by now but, at one point, they asked /...\ Citibank) behaves like a miniature OS. When a user goes to citibank.com , they'd use an in-site UI to load Mint.com's application into a Web Worker. Now contained on the client-side, Mint would be given readonly access to the financial information, and read/write access to a section /...\ extend Citibank's software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint, in this case, is one such extension ("now with more graphs!"). What Web applications choose to make alterable is at their discretion, but, because integrity of the host page is always preserved, and because typed links can be used
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
similar. To answer, I'll first mention that two additional posts were uploaded that explain more of the architecture: > > "In-Application Sandboxing with Web Workers" http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/in-application-sandboxing-with-web-workers.html > "Communicating with Web Workers using HTTP" http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/communicating-with-web-workers-using-http.html Thanks for these. It still looks /...\ feel I'm missing something basic. Like a super-simplified paragraph of the over-all idea. > Askemos appears to solve trust in distributed application-state, correct? I'll need to read more deeply. I'm not a native English speaker. Notably here I'm inclined /...\ administrated - however eventually left to the users judgment.) B) From (A) we conclude: there is no trust in any (remote) servers state. Goal: trustworthy applications, hence some application state we can reasonably assume/agree to be correct. Method: stolen from (modeled after) the legal system: don't aim for absolute truth
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-09 09:25:35
they are similar. To answer, I'll first mention that two additional posts were uploaded that explain more of the architecture: "In-Application Sandboxing with Web Workers" http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/in-application-sandboxing-with-web-workers.html "Communicating with Web Workers using HTTP" http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/communicating-with-web-workers-using-http.html Askemos appears to solve trust in distributed /...\ application-state, correct? I'll need to read more deeply. The trust question I'm investigating is application-integrity during third-party extension. Autonomy means, in this case, freedom to introduce new software without the host's blessing, like how an OS protects its kernel so that 3rd party code /...\ network, and so origin is more granular. Servers may apply clustering algorithms to share state authority, and so (I suspect) Askemos' protocols should be applicable to them. Servers remain a network primitive for more complex topologies. Another notable aspect of trust is data-containment, which Workers solve by executing
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
game, while we were looking at the service side (avoiding to say "server" here since it's yet another client/peer). Mint's application is hosted by remote servers which proxy to your bank's host servers. The details may have changed by now but, at one point, they asked /...\ Citibank) behaves like a miniature OS. When a user goes to citibank.com , they'd use an in-site UI to load Mint.com's application into a Web Worker. Now contained on the client-side, Mint would be given readonly access to the financial information, and read/write access to a section /...\ done under control of the user at the client side, correct? With Askemos we'd have two alternatives: A) citibank too could be an application run in byzantine fault tolerance.  (This had pros and cons: four or more banks would have to cooperate to run citibank.com - would make
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
game, while we were looking at the service side (avoiding to say "server" here since it's yet another client/peer). Mint's application is hosted by remote servers which proxy to your bank's host servers. The details may have changed by now but, at one point, they asked /...\ Citibank) behaves like a miniature OS. When a user goes to citibank.com , they'd use an in-site UI to load Mint.com's application into a Web Worker. Now contained on the client-side, Mint would be given readonly access to the financial information, and read/write access to a section /...\ done under control of the user at the client side, correct? With Askemos we'd have two alternatives: A) citibank too could be an application run in byzantine fault tolerance.  (This had pros and cons: four or more banks would have to cooperate to run citibank.com - would make
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 12:45:35
replicate data.  Does it protect against malicious updates too? It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with convergence, but the systemic model for security is the reputation system. So if I wanted /...\ build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... possible?  How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? It is possible. Trust is the hard part in all of this. Once you have trust, then book-keeping is eventual consistency. After you've distributed identities, you need /...\ payment system. (I picked "payment system" because that's something everyone understands without explanation of the app's purpose; however it's only an application which requires the features to be demonstrated.) It works like this: * Every "wallet" is a (sqlite) database holding a balance table of two columns: amount
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-09 11:30:40
property of a place. In the demo this part is not very pretty yet: http://ball.askemos.org/A876f1fe6998ca9d43f2e66c11a3f0d4a?do=notaries&version=19&login=public An agent (here the wallet application) can control the list of notaries. There is nothing to prevent the agent from doing stupid things like removing all notaries. > The data model in secure /...\ some meta data of a frame (in the sense of key-value pairs). The frame hold the current state (and hidden from the application layer some past state) of the application at the place. It is the unit of replication. I.e., a SSB feed corresponds to a place. Message /...\ with the update process. > > I think this will be enough to implement "web 2.0" style "social" > applications such as twitter. > Maybe not as convenient as twitter, but decentralized, and ultimately > more flexible. > More flexible, because not having centralized control over
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 14:15:09
ownCloud just doesn't work for me. In it's place, I'm using a plain text file, a start-up script, an application called Remind, another called qToDotxt, and an Android app called Todo.txt Touch. It's a mess, and it's all tied together with Dropbox, which /...\ like to get away from. After the holidays, I'll investigate a promising application called Taskwarrior to see if it can replace all this junk and kiss Dropbox goodbye. I'm also having trouble replacing Evernote. Currently, I use an application called KeepNote, and sync all the KeepNote files through
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 15:34:56
work for me. In it's place, >> I'm >> using a plain text file, a start-up script, an application called >> Remind, >> another called qToDotxt, and an Android app called Todo.txt Touch. >> It's a >> mess /...\ tied together with Dropbox, which I'd like to get >> away >> from. After the holidays, I'll investigate a promising application >> called >> Taskwarrior to see if it can replace all this junk and kiss Dropbox >> goodbye /...\ also having trouble replacing Evernote. Currently, I use an >> application called KeepNote, and sync all the KeepNote files through >> ownCloud, but it's not very elegant, and there is no Android >> counterpart, >> so I also end up using a lot of plain
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
handle > my conversation and business. Publications, private messages, > archive+backup, calendar, notes etc. > Quite... the drogulus is supposed to be application agnostic. > So I need an environment where I see agents (be them accounts > representing human users or automated, autonomous processes) > communicating via asynchronous /...\ certainly changing state. > Hah... a trivial distributed "Dropbox" clone built with fuse is one of my target "quick example" applications (a la "create a blog" for web frameworks and "create a todo list" for Javascript frameworks). OK... I'm going /...\ update, those accept an update request and transform it into the > actual update (or the script may reject the update for application > defined reasons. So the script is run in a sandbox at each > notary.) > > Let's care for a moment about privacy. Crypto always
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-11 22:18:27
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 13:59:28
matters less who hosts and carries them. I could jump between yahoo and gmail any time. I could jump to any number of applications and hosts. But we haven't nailed certfile-distribution at scale yet, so that's why I call it an unsolved problem. I think /...\ replicate data.  Does it protect against malicious updates too? It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with convergence, but the systemic model for security is the reputation system. CRDT = "Cambodian Rural Development Team /...\ This reputation system would be interesting to me.  But I can't find much about it. So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... possible?  How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? It is possible. Trust is the hard
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:34:56
Undergrad CS students took usually about three days interactive discussion to grasp the idea and a few weeks to build usable applications. But is seems to be endless hard to get the same results using written documentation. The payment system (current draft) for instance is here http://ball.askemos.org/A876f1fe6998ca9d43f2e66c11a3f0d4a that /...\ system" because that's something everyone understands >> without explanation of the app's purpose; however it's only an >> application which requires the features to be demonstrated.) >> >> It works like this: >> >> * Every "wallet /...\ intermediary between >> wallets running at too disjoint groups. >> >> >> So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... >> possible? How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? >> >> >> Best
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:53:52
matters less who hosts and carries them. I could jump between yahoo and gmail any time. I could jump to any number of applications and hosts. That's how it works. But we haven't nailed certfile-distribution at scale yet, so that's why I call it an unsolved /...\ replicate data.  Does it protect against malicious updates too? It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with convergence, but the systemic model for security is the reputation system. CRDT = "Cambodian Rural Development Team /...\ missing? This reputation system would be interesting to me.  But I can't find much about it. So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... possible?  How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? It is possible. Trust is the hard part
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 10:16:04
ownCloud just doesn't work for me. In it's place, I'm using a plain text file, a start-up script, an application called Remind, another called qToDotxt, and an Android app called Todo.txt Touch. It's a mess, and it's all tied together with Dropbox, which /...\ like to get away from. After the holidays, I'll investigate a promising application called Taskwarrior to see if it can replace all this junk and kiss Dropbox goodbye. I'm also having trouble replacing Evernote. Currently, I use an application called KeepNote, and sync all the KeepNote files through
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 17:36:48
ownCloud just doesn't work for me. In it's place, I'm using a plain text file, a start-up script, an application called Remind, another called qToDotxt, and an Android app called Todo.txt Touch. It's a mess, and it's all tied together with Dropbox, which /...\ like to get away from. After the holidays, I'll investigate a promising application called Taskwarrior to see if it can replace all this junk and kiss Dropbox goodbye. I'm also having trouble replacing Evernote. Currently, I use an application called KeepNote, and sync all the KeepNote files through
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 01:52:00
just doesn't work for me. In it's > place, I'm using a plain text file, a start-up script, an > application called Remind, another called qToDotxt, and an Android > app called Todo.txt Touch. It's a mess, and it's all tied together > with /...\ Dropbox, which I'd like to get away from. After the holidays, > I'll investigate a promising application called Taskwarrior to see > if it can replace all this junk and kiss Dropbox goodbye. > > I'm also having trouble replacing Evernote. Currently, I use an > application
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-15 14:37:29
ubiquitous "blog" demo for web frameworks or "ToDo" lists for client side JS frameworks. Perhaps a simple P2P chat application. If such projects are to get traction with developers they need to be very simple to use. Sometimes I think what I'm doing /...\ presented what you can find > at http://p4p2p.net/ - we basically imagined what would be required > in a framework for writing P2P applications: as Ruby on Rails or > Django are for web applications, we asked ourselves what would be > the equivalent
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 11:40:51
ownCloud just doesn't work for me. In it's place, I'm using a plain text file, a start-up script, an application called Remind, another called qToDotxt, and an Android app called Todo.txt Touch. It's a mess, and it's all tied together with Dropbox, which /...\ like to get away from. After the holidays, I'll investigate a promising application called Taskwarrior to see if it can replace all this junk and kiss Dropbox goodbye. I'm also having trouble replacing Evernote. Currently, I use an application called KeepNote, and sync all the KeepNote files through
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:45:37
picked "payment system" because that's something everyone understands without explanation of the app's purpose; however it's only an application which requires the features to be demonstrated.) It works like this: * Every "wallet" is a (sqlite) database holding a balance table of two columns /...\ prevent fraud. Such a group could be used as an intermediary between wallets running at too disjoint groups. So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... possible? How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? Best
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 19:21:54
sign a hash of the underlying info anyway. Why not expose it as an independent proof? > Quite... the drogulus is supposed to be application agnostic. (as is Askemos ;-) >> So I need an environment where I see agents (be them accounts >> representing human users or automated /...\ trivial distributed "Dropbox" clone built with fuse is one of > my target "quick example" applications (a la "create a blog" for web > frameworks and "create a todo list" for Javascript frameworks). Want one? Takes a minute
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 14:13:39
replicate data.  Does it protect against malicious updates too? It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with convergence, but the systemic model for security is the reputation system. CRDT = "Cambodian Rural Development Team /...\ missing? This reputation system would be interesting to me.  But I can't find much about it. So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... possible?  How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? It is possible. Trust is the hard part
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 06:51:59
payment system" because that's something everyone understands > without explanation of the app's purpose; however it's only an > application which requires the features to be demonstrated.) > > It works like this: > > * Every "wallet" is a (sqlite) database holding a balance /...\ group could be used as an intermediary between > wallets running at too disjoint groups. > > > So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... > possible? How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? > > > Best
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-06-06 08:46:27
intro: User capture on the Web is the result of fixed reliance on upstream decisions. Because there is no process model in the application layer, there is no opportunity to reconfigure individual components in the software. The scripts are merged into a single program.   By instead splitting Web applications
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
will leave it to you to judge how successful that ambition has been. The design team I led put together a peer to peer application infrastructure to support targeted distribution and clearing of news, events and distribution of background materials and personal interest preferences from anywhere in the world with /...\ consequence of a design choice for broken 'hyper' links.  That simplification was pivotal and not always in a good way for making application design decisions. Particularly where today developers have no experience of a pre web world. Whether the "realtime" web is scalable remains to be seen
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 15:58:45
intro: User capture on the Web is the result of fixed reliance on upstream decisions. Because there is no process model in the application layer, there is no opportunity to reconfigure individual components in the software. The scripts are merged into a single program.   By instead splitting /...\ applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html Be well, Paul
Marc Laporte [LibreList] Tiki Suite - Server, Web, Desktop and Mobile suite 2014-06-26 21:53:55
come all our systems don't work together?" is a common frustration. Most organizations use dozens or even hundreds of software applications, systems and online services. Interoperability between them is a constant struggle. Time is wasted moving data from system to system. Data & feature duplication, data silos, dependency /...\ more unique than most :-) Now, the Tiki Model has been extended to a software suite: https://tiki.org/Model Tiki, as a PHP application, is designed for shared hosting and can run on just about any operating system. However, for Tiki Suite we have selected ClearOS for deeper & tighter integration
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:29:51
demonstrating that the implementation is at least usable. Then we added "users": programmers & students. We wanted them to be creative. Build some applications atop.  Make the step from "technically usable" to "usable by end users" (those who we don't want to bother with any proof, even when /...\ system which can ensure absence of impersonation.  After all that's the foundation for both individual responsibility and freedom. Once there where some application prototypes built, the manager learned that such apps leave little room to exert coercing power over users. So he had the programmers build backdoors into
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 12:31:45
simplicity are much more > important (as you mentioned in your blog post too). I view efficiency > more like an economic term applicable to central service providers > operating services like FB. Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what "decentralization /...\ mobile. I did not want to say that efficiency is not important at all. But I don't really see a value in an application, which is not reliable.  What's the value of n virtual asset stored at mobile when the mobile is lost?  Manual backup
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-07 09:23:31
intro: User capture on the Web is the result of fixed reliance on upstream decisions. Because there is no process model in the application layer, there is no opportunity to reconfigure individual components in the software. The scripts are merged into a single program.   By instead splitting Web applications
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 15:18:15
intro: User capture on the Web is the result of fixed reliance on upstream decisions. Because there is no process model in the application layer, there is no opportunity to reconfigure individual components in the software. The scripts are merged into a single program.   By instead splitting /...\ applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html Be well, Paul
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Local.js framework 2014-03-15 17:31:04
site for the Local.js framework at  http://httplocal.com/ . Local.js is an open-source security and IPC framework for running plugins in Web applications. As I mentioned earlier, it's goal is to improve user autonomy from hosts by freely extending Web software at runtime. If anybody wants /...\ discuss how they might put the framework to use in an application, feel free to email me ( pfrazee@gmail.com ) or ping me at #httpl in freenode. Be well, Paul
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 10:49:44
Fabian and I presented what you can find at http://p4p2p.net/ - we basically imagined what would be required in a framework for writing P2P applications: as Ruby on Rails or Django are for web applications, we asked ourselves what would be the equivalent for P2P..? In the end we looked
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
wrong, bitcoin is a brilliant design, but the assurances it gives you (total ordering & consistency) are just not necessary for many applications. Secure-scuttlebutt is somewhere inbetween a blockchain (globally consistent long chain) and a DHT (maybe consistent, flat lookup structure). To contrast with the Blind Idiot God concept /...\ Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: > Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- > > The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it involves > distributing authority. > > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth in > wide use right
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
leave it to you to judge how successful that ambition has been.   The design team I led put together a peer to peer application infrastructure to support targeted distribution and clearing of news, events and distribution of background materials and personal interest preferences from anywhere in the world with /...\ consequence of a design choice for broken 'hyper' links.  That simplification was pivotal and not always in a good way for making application design decisions. Particularly where today developers have no experience of a pre web world.   Whether the "realtime" web is scalable remains to be seen
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 14:21:43
intro: User capture on the Web is the result of fixed reliance on upstream decisions. Because there is no process model in the application layer, there is no opportunity to reconfigure individual components in the software. The scripts are merged into a single program.   By instead splitting /...\ applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html Be well, Paul
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
wrong, bitcoin is a brilliant design, but the assurances it gives you (total ordering & consistency) are just not necessary for many applications. Secure-scuttlebutt is somewhere inbetween a blockchain (globally consistent long chain) and a DHT (maybe consistent, flat lookup structure). To contrast with the Blind Idiot God concept /...\ Paul Frazee <pfrazee@gmail.com> wrote: > Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- > > The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it involves > distributing authority. > > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth in > wide use right
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
brilliant design, but the assurances it gives you (total >> ordering & consistency) >> are just not necessary for many applications. >> >> Secure-scuttlebutt is somewhere inbetween a blockchain (globally >> consistent long chain) >> and a DHT (maybe consistent, flat lookup structure /...\ pfrazee@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- >> > >> > The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it >> > involves >> > distributing authority. >> > >> > For instance, we need to authenticate users
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-06-05 12:21:02
intro: User capture on the Web is the result of fixed reliance on upstream decisions. Because there is no process model in the application layer, there is no opportunity to reconfigure individual components in the software. The scripts are merged into a single program.   By instead splitting /...\ applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html Be well, Paul
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 06:03:22
presented what you can find at > http://p4p2p.net/ - we basically imagined what would be required in a > framework for writing P2P applications: as Ruby on Rails or Django are > for web applications, we asked ourselves what would be the equivalent
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 08:29:42
article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:35:02
article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:17:33
article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-04 10:32:38
article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:48:55
address, and this can all be done transparently by the snow daemon so it doesn't have to be reimplemented by every other application. I just have to figure out how to get people to try it. So far nobody. I think the "compile it from source" thing is putting
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 10:45:39
IMHO reliability and simplicity are much more important (as you mentioned in your blog post too). I view efficiency more like an economic term applicable to central service providers operating services like FB. I can only guess what the to-be-centralized functionality would be: your #1 of your problem
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:04:39
simplicity are much more > important (as you mentioned in your blog post too). I view efficiency > more like an economic term applicable to central service providers > operating services like FB. Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 11:31:57
kind of update, those accept an update request and transform it into the actual update (or the script may reject the update for application defined reasons. So the script is run in a sandbox at each notary.) Let's care for a moment about privacy. Crypto always has a chance
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
addition to undocumented. Have you discovered any good way identify your TAP-Windows interface as something not to be molested by other TAP-Windows applications like OpenVPN? There is some language in the .inf about changing the component ID which seems to imply recompiling the driver and then probably needing
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-24 22:15:06
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-25 11:58:19
your furniture not so much like law.  Both are expressed in words. So "law-alike software" would probably a class of assertions.  Application code would be supposed to include checks for relevant assertions. I must obey the traffic laws while driving to work. The law knows nothing about
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it involves distributing authority. For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth in wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only works well for organizations, the user-identities have to live
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
evidence in a court case. (The (d) I added because we better reject the idea of a pure machine-supported "proof" as applicable to humans for moral reasons.) > Now - if you want to build a true p2p system, a decentralized system - > that depends on people
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:07:09
schrieb Paul Frazee: > Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- > > The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it > involves distributing authority. > > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth > in wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 03:28:23
have in your physical control. I think this will be enough to implement "web 2.0" style "social" applications such as twitter. Maybe not as convenient as twitter, but decentralized, and ultimately more flexible. More flexible, because not having centralized control over the service means I will
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:12:55
think referencing the pirate party rules is of limited value and i suggest to rather write down something more directly applicate to the site and project. I am certainly not alone in appreciating if you, Irina and Francis stay majorly involved, help people along and continue to drive
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:28:40
think referencing the pirate party rules is of limited > value and i suggest to rather write down something more directly applicate > to the site and project. You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant parts. > I am certainly not alone in appreciating
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 02:23:24
think referencing the pirate party rules is of limited > value and i suggest to rather write down something more directly applicate > to the site and project. You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant parts. > I am certainly not alone
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 11:10:40
think referencing the pirate party rules >> is of limited value and i suggest to rather write down something >> more directly applicate to the site and project. > > You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant > parts
fernando.gs@gmail.com [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:17:15
pirate party rules >>> is of limited value and i suggest to rather write down something >>> more directly applicate to the site and project. >> >> You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant >> parts
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:37:56
pirate party rules >>> is of limited value and i suggest to rather write down something >>> more directly applicate to the site and project. >> >> You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant >> parts
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 12:07:38
inform them of the issues and comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network service. The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based services and the general levels of insecurity through third party information sharing or theft (doxing) Local Internet Society chapters
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
inform them of the issues and comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network service. The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based services and the general levels of insecurity through third party information sharing or theft (doxing) Local Internet Society chapters
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
issues and > comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network > service. > > The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based > services and the general levels of insecurity through third party > information sharing or theft (doxing) > > Local
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 11:31:17
using ball.askemos.org for some file storage, notes, diary, wiki etc. Since it' scriptable and provides a fresh sqlite db for each object new applications are as easy as anywhere else. Advantages: per-object set of replica (full replication to each side, unlike e.g. Tahoe), 2/3rd-majority of those replica required
michiel [GG] Re: WebTorrent Desktop - open source streaming torrent client 2016-04-06 19:53:00
seed some torrents if I want to help bootstrap the eco-system, or will it already help the network if I just leave the application open and running on my laptop? Cheers, Michiel
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 15:26:45
would share it: http://youbroketheinternet.org/ encourages projects to make a new internet stack from low level infrastructure all the way up to end user applications. I wanted to attached is a picture which assigns various projects to different levels of the stack, but the picture
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:42:22
encourages projects to make a new internet stack from low level > > infrastructure all the way up to > > > end user applications. > > > > > > I wanted to attached is a picture which assigns various projects to > > different levels of the stack
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 16:07:02
example, I'm aware of Namecoin, and the OkTurtles project, > which is trying to put Namecoin into practical application in a > user-friendly way. I've also been sent this project by Agora Voting > to do a Bitcoin-based secure voting system, but they're not releasing
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 01:49:27
youbroketheinternet.org/ > > encourages projects to make a new internet stack from low level infrastructure all the way up to > end user applications. > > I wanted to attached is a picture which assigns various projects to different levels of the stack, > but the picture
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 21:46:31
youbroketheinternet.org/ > > encourages projects to make a new internet stack from low level infrastructure all the way up to > end user applications. > > I wanted to attached is a picture which assigns various projects to different levels of the stack, > but the picture
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:45:20
encourages projects to make a new internet stack from low level > > infrastructure all the way up to > > > end user applications. > > > > > > I wanted to attached is a picture which assigns various projects to > > different levels of the stack
Jonathan Deamer [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 16:21:10
what I can. So for example, I'm aware of Namecoin , and the OkTurtles project, which is trying to put Namecoin into practical application in a user-friendly way. I've also been sent this project by Agora Voting to do a Bitcoin-based secure voting system, but they
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 12:02:15
example, I'm aware of Namecoin , and the OkTurtles project, which is trying to put Namecoin into practical application in a user-friendly way. I've also been sent this project by Agora Voting to do a Bitcoin-base d secure voting system, but they're not releasing
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 16:07:34
site .  No, we did certainly not ignore existing research. Also: by inviting getting academic researchers, students, lawyers etc. to provide reviews, applications and their legal opinion (in addition to the peer-review of the original publication) we hoped to foster confidence that we did not miss anything important
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-03 10:36:17
example, I'm aware of Namecoin , and the OkTurtles project, which is trying to put Namecoin into practical application in a user-friendly way. I've also been sent this project by Agora Voting to do a Bitcoin-base d secure voting system, but they're not releasing
Richard Marr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-05 11:35:55
provides some reliability checks that UDP doesn't care about and those checks cost time). They'd then run HTTP and HTTPS at the application level as before... IP+UDP+HTTP rather than IP+TCP+HTTP. On 1 January 2014 11:50, MikedePlume < mike@mikedeplume.com > wrote
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 12:49:04
would build (or adapt or interface with if there is an API), > and sharpen your C++ skills. Think co-operative applications from the ground > up (collaborative is good, but cooperative is better). The code will > eventually be open read-only source. How's that for innovation
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 11:34:27
article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone
Thomas Levine [GG] Distributed Dance Party update 2018-06-18 23:34:00
current shift in Consciousness will be thoroughly   explored. How can we use these tools for educational, environmental and   humanitarian applications, and what are their implications on conscious   evolution and human development?   >>> illumina.io/crypto-symposium   AnarchaPortugal - Porto, Portugal July
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 11:05:11
would build (or adapt or > interface with if there is an API), and sharpen your C++ skills. Think > co-operative applications from the ground up (collaborative is good, > but cooperative is better). The code will eventually be open read-only source. How's that for innovation
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:06:32
that economics is the politics of capital, and the new narrative must convey the idea that economics should be pushed back to its original application of serving human communities, not special interests. "Redecentralization" is about empowering our communities, not shifting from global masters to other global masters. That
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 12:22:12
site .  No, we did certainly not ignore existing research. Also: by inviting getting academic researchers, students, lawyers etc. to provide reviews, applications and their legal opinion (in addition to the peer-review of the original publication) we hoped to foster confidence that we did not miss anything important
David Llop [GG] Job(s): Project Manager & Senior Dev, in Blockchain + Commons Research Project @Madrid 2018-07-19 03:42:00
question/doubt to p2pmodels@ucm.es including in the subject “Open position”. The positions are meant to start in Fall, so applicants are encouraged to submit asap
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
that economics is the politics of capital, and the new narrative must convey the idea that economics should be pushed back to its original application of serving human communities, not special interests. "Redecentralization" is about empowering our communities, not shifting from global masters to other global masters. That
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-09 10:40:18
past two years. In the scheme of redecentralizing, it's part of an > architecture which supports social extension of web applications in > order to provide autonomy from hosting organizations. That "autonomy" piece caught my interest. After all, it's what askemos.org is about. > If anybody
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 09:56:05
plus an over-the-local-wifi feature. The two things I wonder: what's the merit of bittorrent as a replacement communication structure when applications don't communicate via file-sharing, and would this perform well enough to make it useful now? Also second Ximin's thoughts
Johan Pouwelse [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 18:36:20
over-the-local-wifi feature. The two > things I wonder: what's the merit of bittorrent as a replacement > communication structure when applications don't communicate via > file-sharing, and would this perform well enough to make it useful now? > > Also second Ximin's thoughts
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 13:41:47
over-the-local-wifi feature. The two > things I wonder: what's the merit of bittorrent as a replacement > communication structure when applications don't communicate via > file-sharing, and would this perform well enough to make it useful now? > > Also second Ximin's thoughts
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 22:18:20
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-30 15:00:08
this is a problem that needs fixing. For example, there was a time when personal computers were truly personal. They ran applications that you acquired (or created) and used by and for yourself. You did not have to subscribe to them as services, and they did not require some company
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-31 19:36:04
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 18:08:24
Eric Mill [LibreList] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 10:41:43
example, I'm aware of Namecoin , and the OkTurtles project, which is trying to put Namecoin into practical application in a user-friendly way. I've also been sent this project by Agora Voting to do a Bitcoin-based secure voting system, but they're not releasing their
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-08 16:01:47
been researching for the past two years. In the scheme of redecentralizing, it's part of an architecture which supports social extension of web applications in order to provide autonomy from hosting organizations. If anybody has questions on the approach, feel free to ask; I'll post a few more
P S [LibreList] First Person Technologies 2014-03-29 17:32:15
this is a problem that needs fixing. For example, there was a time when personal computers were truly personal. They ran applications that you acquired (or created) and used by and for yourself. You did not have to subscribe to them as services, and they did not require some company
Stephan Tual [LibreList] London panelist? 2014-04-25 14:50:43
project, here's a quick summary: "Ethereum is a platform that makes it possible for any developer to write and distribute next-generation decentralized applications. Borrowing the concept of distributed consensus and cryptographic proof that makes cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin so effective in trustless payments, Ethereum extends
Francis Irving [LibreList] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 09:04:56
article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis
Robert Tischer [LibreList] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 07:43:26
would build (or adapt or interface with if there is an API), and sharpen your C++ skills. Think co-operative applications from the ground up (collaborative is good, but cooperative is better). The code will eventually be open read-only source. How’s that for innovation!   Hope
Anne Radl [GG] New grant fund for decentralising tech! 2018-07-03 05:31:00
could receive a grant of up to £45K, plus a bespoke package of technical assistance, over a 9-12-month funding period. Applications are open until Wednesday 25th July 2018.  Apply
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] PS: Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 12:00:56
Therefore xslt:for-each and the alike xsql:for-each evaluate their template for all selected values in parallel. xsl:variable do syncing. The application programmer is never bothered
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] London panelist? 2014-04-25 08:01:11
project, here's a quick summary: "Ethereum is a platform that makes it possible for any developer to write and distribute next-generation decentralized applications. Borrowing the concept of distributed consensus and cryptographic proof that makes cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin so effective in trustless payments, Ethereum extends
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-05-02 16:18:26
beta testing of our Android app, starting work on the desktop UI. Long term: Use Briar's data synchronization capabilities to support secure, distributed applications including blogging, crisis mapping and collaborative document editing. What are you excited about? The project is one of 54 semi-finalists in the Knight News
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 02:10:03
article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 10:33:41
article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis