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Scott Jenson [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2013-12-29 19:26:39
page. Most smart devices are very very simple and don't need the graphics capabilities of world of warcraft. A simple URL approach would allow any device to talk to any screen, with zero installation. This allows anyone to 'walk up and use' any device. This 'everything is a webpage /...\ approach however is just the first step. Once things are broadcasting URLs, we can move on to RESTful interfaces so devices can find and interact with each other, no HTML in site. It's a basic, low level want for devices to broadcast and be found. I'm assuming /...\ best approach today but I'm interested in other approaches.  Scott On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Jacob Cook < jacob@jcook.cc > wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello everyone! My name is Jacob Cook, you may know me from the interview
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 19:33:08
problem between security and UX often bogs down to the approach in development. Crypto apps have a bottom up approach: we have a crypto protocol, let's build a UI around. That's what we saw with GPG, client cert authentication, etc. When you take a top down approach /...\ developer to write it) and good abstractions (the developer should not have to worry about repeating IVs or verifying a MAC). I see that approach in NaCl or the new Python cryptography project. It takes time to write those abstractions, but it is rewarding. Also, we need clear definitions
Stefan Sayer [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:26:16
page. > Most smart devices are very very simple and don't need the > graphics capabilities of world of warcraft. A simple URL approach > would allow any device to talk to any screen, with zero > installation. This allows anyone to 'walk up and use' any > device /...\ This 'everything is a webpage' approach however is just the > first step. Once things are broadcasting URLs, we can move on to > RESTful interfaces so devices can find and interact with each > other, no HTML in site. It's a basic, low level want for devices /...\ broadcast and be found. I'm assuming BT4 is the best approach > today but I'm interested In BT4 (Bluetooth 4.0?), does this work over IP/DNS-SD+mDNS ("Bonjour")? > in other approaches. over IP, DNS-SD [0],[1] plus mDNS[2],[3] (Bonjour) is well specified
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
feel like this, but it's the case.  Many cultures around the world have > conflicting world with the global Western approach. > > The Western mind has a lust for general principles and since Descartes > and with the Enlightenment, we have a tendency to reduce /...\ fits the agenda; it still works on > computable/measurable parts, and leaves complexity to "externalities". > This "good enough" / "just in time" / "stakeholder" approach can be very > helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to > extrapolate universals from constituent parts.  I would call /...\ this the > holographic approach. > > The difference between reductionism and this is that the former assumes > the world to be mechanical, and therefore entirely computable, > measurable, controllable.  The latter, while it's a lot more > sophisticated, still assumes homomorphism between a partial model
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 11:17:34
information. It might not feel like this, but it's the case. Many cultures around the world have conflicting world with the global Western approach. The Western mind has a lust for general principles and since Descartes and with the Enlightenment, we have a tendency to reduce the picture /...\ works on computable/measurable parts, and leaves complexity to "externalities". This "good enough" / "just in time" / "stakeholder" approach can be very helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to extrapolate universals from constituent parts. I would call this the holographic /...\ approach. The difference between reductionism and this is that the former assumes the world to be mechanical, and therefore entirely computable, measurable, controllable. The latter, while it's a lot more sophisticated, still assumes homomorphism between a partial model and reality. It works for specific, limited cases where we already
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
power over a few actors being able to collect data) in order to go beyond what can be achieved with the classical centralized approach.  We have started a R&D project with Orange and INRIA, but the field is huge and many different approached and challenges must /...\ with INRIA on those subjects. The means for this fields are not only monetary : incentives for big, challenged, European companies to change their approaches and to innovate thanks to decentralization for instance would be great. On 09/04/2016 19:38, Pierre Ozoux wrote: https://nlnet.nl/people/leenaars/ec/ Cheers! Pierre
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
feel like this, but it's the case. Many cultures around the world > have > > conflicting world with the global Western approach. > > > > The Western mind has a lust for general principles and since Descartes > > and with the Enlightenment, we have a tendency /...\ computable/measurable parts, and leaves complexity to "externalities". > > This "good enough" / "just in time" / "stakeholder" approach can > be very > > helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to > > extrapolate universals from constituent parts /...\ would call this the > > holographic approach. > > > > The difference between reductionism and this is that the former > assumes > > the world to be mechanical, and therefore entirely computable, > > measurable, controllable. The latter, while it's a lot more > > sophisticated
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 21:02:50
might not feel like this, but it's the case.  Many cultures around the world have conflicting world with the global Western approach. The Western mind has a lust for general principles and since Descartes and with the Enlightenment, we have a tendency to reduce the picture /...\ observation until it fits the agenda; it still works on computable/measurable parts, and leaves complexity to "externalities". This "good enough" / "just in time" / "stakeholder" approach can be very helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to extrapolate universals from constituent parts.  I would call this /...\ holographic approach. The difference between reductionism and this is that the former assumes the world to be mechanical, and therefore entirely computable, measurable, controllable.  The latter, while it's a lot more sophisticated, still assumes homomorphism between a partial model and reality.  It works for specific
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
Moxie Marlinspike has had a number of relevant things to say about that. > That's the general pattern that I see. The easiest approach is the most centralized approach... at least if you neglect the longer term systemic downsides of it. Maybe over-centralization should be considered a form /...\ attack comes you already have trusted parties you can rely on to help you resist it. I'm not sure those kinds of approaches can work on a global scale. How do people in Russia or South Africa determine their trust relationship with someone in New York? I guess
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
That's the general pattern that I see. The easiest approach is the most centralized approach... at least if you neglect the longer term systemic downsides of it. Maybe over-centralization should be considered a form of technical debt. It's more like a security vulnerability. Single point of failure /...\ problem. How close to the platonic ideal can you get without overly compromising efficiency or availability? > I'm not sure those kinds of approaches can work on a global scale. How do people in Russia or South Africa determine their trust relationship with someone in New York? I guess
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
might not > feel like this, but it's the case. Many cultures around the world have > conflicting world with the global Western approach. > > The Western mind has a lust for general principles and since Descartes > and with the Enlightenment, we have a tendency to reduce /...\ computable/measurable parts, and leaves complexity to "externalities". > This "good enough" / "just in time" / "stakeholder" approach can be very > helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to > extrapolate universals from constituent parts. I would call this /...\ holographic approach. > > The difference between reductionism and this is that the former assumes > the world to be mechanical, and therefore entirely computable, > measurable, controllable. The latter, while it's a lot more > sophisticated, still assumes homomorphism between a partial model and > reality. It works
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
long as the integrity of each component is maintained (which I expect is what Askemos uses VMs to ensure) then it's a similar approach. The client uses a trust hierarchy, in which the Page is most-privileged, and all Workers are given least-possible privilege. Deciding which participant /...\ data-containment issue. This really clarified things to me.  Thanks.  It's a nice example to show where our approaches take a different route to the same result.  (While using the same "miniature OS" analogy.) With Askemos the roles would be reversed
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
This solves the data-containment issue. This really clarified things to me.  Thanks.  It's a nice example to show where our approaches take a different route to the same result.  (While using the same "miniature OS" analogy.) With Askemos the roles would be reversed
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-03 14:56:05
schrieb "Jörg F. Wittenberger": > Hi all, > > I'm gathering infos for a comparison of approaches towards > trustworthy, tamper-proofed autonomous systems. > > So far I have in alphabetic order: Askemos/Wallet, Bitcoin, Ethereum, > OpenTransactions, Ricardian Contracts. > > What about: Drogulus
Tim Retout [LibreList] kinko box for email encryption (was: Re: 30C3 starts tomorrow) 2013-12-28 19:02:10
putting a box in your home: https://kinko.me/ The website says that they were inspired by Mailpile, but took the alternative approach of putting some hardware together that will run in your home and transparently PGP-encrypt your email. Slides from the talk are online here: https://kinko.me/30c3-presentation-the-future-is-encrypted/ (Disappointing
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:14:11
people use Google and Facebook. Or Weibo. Or VK. Or... you get the picture. But rather than harp about any one company (or licensing approach, or ruling, etc) I want to emphasize decentralized systems beyond what many are accustomed to hearing about / using. When people hear "open source
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Hello! 2015-09-02 22:02:28
have pilots in Haiti, India, Ghana, Nepal and a few other places :) The idea of a decentralized web is very central to our approach of doing things. Looking forward to some great conversation and (hopefully) brainstorming! Cheers, Anish P.S. To find out more about XSCE, you may head to schoolserver.org
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-08 16:01:47
architecture which supports social extension of web applications in order to provide autonomy from hosting organizations. If anybody has questions on the approach, feel free to ask; I'll post a few more articles in the near future. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/applying-user-agent-behaviors.html Be well, Paul
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-07-29 09:57:54
gathering infos for a comparison of approaches towards trustworthy, tamper-proofed autonomous systems. So far I have in alphabetic order: Askemos/Wallet, Bitcoin, Ethereum, OpenTransactions, Ricardian Contracts. What about: Drogulus, does it do contracts? Which did I miss? Should I compare other properties too? Note that info might be wrong
Christoph Witzany [LibreList] Session Suggestion: Data Autonomy 2015-10-17 14:59:48
credit card transactions. Both access and confidentiality can be enabled by technical and organisational means. Generally it needs a combination of both approaches
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 08:29:42
Though at least Ethereum works towards the same goal. (With Askemos taking the per-contract byzantine agreement route and Ethereum using the global blockchain approach.) Best /Jörg But all the intentions, architecture, security, community engagement, good faith participation, etc. of the project are all obscured by closing
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:35:02
Though at least Ethereum works towards the same goal. (With Askemos taking the per-contract byzantine agreement route and Ethereum using the global blockchain approach.) Best /Jörg But all the intentions, architecture, security, community engagement, good faith participation, etc. of the project are all obscured by closing
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:17:33
Though at least Ethereum works towards the same goal. (With Askemos taking the per-contract byzantine agreement route and Ethereum using the global blockchain approach.) Best /Jörg But all the intentions, architecture, security, community engagement, good faith participation, etc. of the project are all obscured by closing
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-04 10:32:38
Though at least Ethereum works towards the same goal. (With Askemos taking the per-contract byzantine agreement route and Ethereum using the global blockchain approach.) Best /Jörg But all the intentions, architecture, security, community engagement, good faith participation, etc. of the project are all obscured by closing
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:38:08
those circumstances, your trichotomy devolves to a dichotomy, "efficiency or security, pick one."  Fortunately, your actual approach, the peer-(super) peer-peer idea, finesses the problem nicely. Instead of "I am Spartacus," "I am the blind idiot god." Still, might attackers find
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 15:58:16
with the discovery of public key cryptography. It'd be Nobel Prize material if there were a Nobel Prize for CS. Fortunately, your actual approach, the peer-(super) peer-peer idea, finesses the problem nicely. Instead of "I am Spartacus," "I am the blind idiot god." Still, might attackers find
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:35:23
prohibitively hard. The former might contain lots of market niches for centralized products, services, and trust chains, but the latter all but *prohibits* decentralized approaches to anything. For decentralized networks, non-local firewalls and *especially* NAT present a “DENY ALL” rule that requires thousands of hours
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:28:40
community with projects that interest them. I mean, I love both Francis and Ira, but equally I’d like to see different approaches to the interviews and more of them. I think my contribution on this topic could probably be shortenedd to - “If you want
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 02:23:24
that interest them.  I mean, I love both Francis and Ira, but equally I’d like to see different approaches to the interviews and more of them. I think my contribution on this topic could probably be shortenedd to - “If you want
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 11:10:40
with projects that interest them. I mean, I love both Francis and > Ira, but equally I’d like to see different approaches to the > interviews and more of them. > > I think my contribution on this topic could probably be shortenedd
fernando.gs@gmail.com [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:17:15
with projects that interest them. I mean, I love both Francis and >> Ira, but equally I’d like to see different approaches to the >> interviews and more of them. >> >> I think my contribution on this topic could probably be shortenedd
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:37:56
them.  I mean, I love both Francis and >> Ira, but equally I’d like to see different approaches to the >> interviews and more of them. >> >> I think my contribution on this topic could probably be shortenedd
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 12:07:38
community networks in UK such as B4RN were very much in evidence. One of the outcomes on my intray today is I was approached for some enabling documentation that alternative network community providers could provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and comparisons between going to telco
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
community networks in UK such as B4RN were very much in evidence. One of the outcomes on my intray today is I was approached for some enabling documentation that alternative network community providers could provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and comparisons between going to telco
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
such as B4RN were very much in evidence. > > One of the outcomes on my intray today is I was approached for some > enabling documentation that alternative network community providers > could provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and > comparisons between going
Peter Wang [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-10-25 01:29:00
list.  There is good energy starting to emerge around these two projects. Overall, I feel that the tech community is starting to approach a point of coherence around the need and importance of decentralization, and as the Early Adopter crowd floods into this space which is currently only
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-09 09:25:35
autonomy" piece caught my interest. After all, it's what > askemos.org is about. > >> If anybody has questions on the approach, feel free to ask; I'll post >> a few more articles in the near future. >> >> http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/applying-user-agent-behaviors.html
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2015-09-07 08:47:29
have pilots in Haiti, India, Ghana, Nepal and a few other places :) The idea of a decentralized web is very central to our approach of doing things. Looking forward to some great conversation and (hopefully) brainstorming! Cheers, Anish P.S. To find out more about XSCE, you may head to schoolserver.org
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 14:38:21
Weibo. Or VK.  Or... you get the picture.  But rather than harp about any one company (or licensing approach, or ruling, etc) I want to emphasize decentralized systems beyond what many are accustomed to hearing about / using. When people hear "open source" or "p2p" they might
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 17:53:18
anybody familiar with novel approaches to security UX that you might share? I'd enjoy some anecdotes about what's worked. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Ximin Luo < infinity0@pwned.gg > wrote: Telegram's justifications for their security have basically been "prove me wrong". In fact
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:29:51
your pleasure an anecdote... Am 01.03.2014 00:53, schrieb Paul Frazee: Is anybody familiar with novel approaches to security UX that you might share? I'd enjoy some anecdotes about what's worked. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Ximin Luo < infinity0@pwned.gg > wrote: Telegram
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:17:23
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-05 10:55:24
write it) > and good abstractions (the developer should not have to worry about > repeating IVs or verifying a MAC). I see that approach in NaCl or the new > Python cryptography project. It takes time to write those abstractions, but > it is rewarding. Meant to ask, what
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-05 18:02:48
write it) > and good abstractions (the developer should not have to worry about > repeating IVs or verifying a MAC). I see that approach in NaCl or the new > Python cryptography project. It takes time to write those abstractions, but > it is rewarding. Meant to ask, what
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-09 10:40:18
organizations. That "autonomy" piece caught my interest. After all, it's what askemos.org is about. > If anybody has questions on the approach, feel free to ask; I'll post > a few more articles in the near future. > > http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/applying-user-agent-behaviors.html After reading
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
caught my interest. After all, it's what >> askemos.org is about. >> >>> If anybody has questions on the approach, feel free to ask; I'll post >>> a few more articles in the near future
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
interest.  After all, it's what >> askemos.org is about. >> >>> If anybody has questions on the approach, feel free to ask; I'll post >>> a few more articles in the near future