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Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 17:59:46
Where did this idea come from that you wait on some browser vendor to implement something? A web browser is a particularly stupid piece of kit as it is only effectively a client. To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection service rather than /...\ client to multiple server services as the web browser metaphor hoists on us. All these browser extensions are doing is instituting lockin via browser vendors. Go out and multiply! my .000002 somethings C Francis Irving wrote: > The underlying tech is irrelevant - the hard bit is having a browser /...\ interface for > doing micropayments. > > Anyone know how the W3C web payments process is getting on > http://www.w3.org/Payments/ ? Are browsers ever likely to adopt it? > > Francis > > On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, at 11:31 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: >> On 25/08/15
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 21:12:46
Christian de Larrinaga" < cdel@firsthand.net > wrote: Where did this idea come from that you wait on some browser vendor to implement something? A web browser is a particularly stupid piece of kit as it is only effectively a client.   To control one's micro payments what you need /...\ peer connection service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web browser metaphor hoists on us.   All these browser extensions are doing is instituting lockin via browser vendors. Go out and multiply!   my .000002 somethings   C   Francis Irving wrote: > The underlying tech /...\ irrelevant - the hard bit is having a browser > standard for this. > > The thing stopping me making micropayments isn't if I have to pay 5% to > Visa or use a centralised server, it is that there is no interface for > doing micropayments. > > Anyone
vaX Cymaticka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 14:40:51
Christian de Larrinaga" < cdel@firsthand.net > wrote: Where did this idea come from that you wait on some browser vendor to implement something? A web browser is a particularly stupid piece of kit as it is only effectively a client. To control one's micro payments what you need /...\ peer connection service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web browser metaphor hoists on us. All these browser extensions are doing is instituting lockin via browser vendors. Go out and multiply! my .000002 somethings C Francis Irving wrote: > The underlying tech is irrelevant - the hard /...\ having a browser > standard for this. > > The thing stopping me making micropayments isn't if I have to pay 5% to > Visa or use a centralised server, it is that there is no interface for > doing micropayments. > > Anyone know
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 11:04:28
goals look pretty similar to our ideas for Askemos (though ethereum is even closer).  Except that we immediately scaled back to leave browser integration for later. A decade of experience later and having released a usable, self-hosting system I can account the resources it took /...\ single worst mistake we made.) and you can't waste time when you're 1) downstream of a platform that could eat you (the browsers) and 2) mixed in with a fair share of us working on similar ideas. Good luck to them, but I think they'll get beaten /...\ order to be able to run on as many platforms and to be easy to use, Avatar is implemented via JavaScript in the web browser. Looking the technology preview description [1], this seems the be one the most ambitious and thought-out projects I have seen
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 09:53:54
goals look pretty similar to our ideas for Askemos (though ethereum is even closer).  Except that we immediately scaled back to leave browser integration for later. A decade of experience later and having released a usable, self-hosting system I can account the resources it took /...\ single worst mistake we made.) and you can't waste time when you're 1) downstream of a platform that could eat you (the browsers) and 2) mixed in with a fair share of us working on similar ideas. Good luck to them, but I think they'll get beaten /...\ order to be able to run on as many platforms and to be easy to use, Avatar is implemented via JavaScript in the web browser. Looking the technology preview description [1], this seems the be one the most ambitious and thought-out projects I have seen
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:45:20
different regulatory framework, thus avoiding a single point of failure.    If a new mechanism depends on the inconvenience of a browser extension anyway, why not automate the process people already use? For example "colmmacc.multi" could be intercepted by an extension and translated into 5 DNS requests /...\ 31PM -0600, Paul Frazee wrote: > No kidding about the diagram. > > Interesting statement on http://youbroketheinternet.org/map > > Because the web browser is so overladen with surveillance functionality > > such as cookies, invisible counters, e-tags and plenty of Javascript doing > > what the server /...\ surveillance tool. Should we want to do web-based user interfaces, we'll > > have to use a custom browser with disabled HTTP support. > > > I'm not sure they justify dropping HTTP support.  Aren't these issues with > the access policies
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 12:20:44
takes to create a platform, and you can't waste time when you're 1) downstream of a platform that could eat you (the browsers) and 2) mixed in with a fair share of us working on similar ideas. Good luck to them, but I think they'll get beaten /...\ order to be able to run on as many platforms and to be easy to use, Avatar is implemented via JavaScript in the web browser. Looking the technology preview description [1], this seems the be one the most ambitious and thought-out projects I have seen /...\ currently using an (optional) locally-installed software called "Avatar Bridge" which is aimed to fill the gap until WebRTC reaches maturity and wide browser support. There are voices declaring browser-side JavaScript cryptography as doomed [3]. Avatar is employing measures against this. For example, doing code validation checks
Giovanni P [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNUnet 2014-06-02 11:37:56
Ross Jones < ross@servercode.co.uk > wrote: Nice that it’s going in-browser, the installation process for the out-of-browser version is a bit of a nightmare.   I can’t imagine many Windows users getting past https://gnunet.org/content/build-instructions-microsoft-windows-platforms /...\ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUnet Is this old news? Isn't it time to talk about it? Even more now that it is getting a totally in-browser webRTC implementation
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
interests iff they where trying to play foul. In an ideal world, we would integrate some Askemos-compliant cache code right into the users browser.  In practice we run a process for the user close to the browser, typically at the same machine. Autonomy in this case mean /...\ know: at any time there might be nodes registered with the DNS, which are not functioning anymore. Depending on you clinet (browser) this might be a problem. Best /Jörg >   but I look forward to digging in a bit. Ping me in #stackvm on freenode
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
interests iff they where trying to play foul. In an ideal world, we would integrate some Askemos-compliant cache code right into the users browser. In practice we run a process for the user close to the browser, typically at the same machine. Autonomy in this case mean: applications /...\ know: at any time there might be nodes registered with the DNS, which are not functioning anymore. Depending on you clinet (browser) this might be a problem. Best /Jörg > but I look forward to digging in a bit. Ping me in #stackvm on freenode (pfraze) sometime
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:42:22
31PM -0600, Paul Frazee wrote: > No kidding about the diagram. > > Interesting statement on http://youbroketheinternet.org/map > > Because the web browser is so overladen with surveillance functionality > > such as cookies, invisible counters, e-tags and plenty of Javascript doing > > what the server /...\ surveillance tool. Should we want to do web-based user interfaces, we'll > > have to use a custom browser with disabled HTTP support. > > > I'm not sure they justify dropping HTTP support. Aren't these issues with > the access policies in the browser
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 17:46:44
order to be able to run on as many platforms and to be easy to use, Avatar is implemented via JavaScript in the web browser. Looking the technology preview description [1], this seems the be one the most ambitious and thought-out projects I have seen /...\ using an (optional) locally-installed software called "Avatar Bridge" which is aimed to fill the gap until WebRTC reaches maturity and wide browser support. There are voices declaring browser-side JavaScript cryptography as doomed [3]. Avatar is employing measures against this. For example, doing code validation checks
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 21:46:31
kidding about the diagram.  Interesting statement on  http://youbroketheinternet.org/map Because the web browser is so overladen with surveillance functionality such as cookies, invisible counters, e-tags and plenty of Javascript doing what the server tells it to. Now comes WebRTC which relies on web servers /...\ landed as a surveillance tool. Should we want to do web-based user interfaces, we'll have to use a custom browser with disabled HTTP support. I'm not sure they justify dropping HTTP support.  Aren't these issues with the access policies in the browser
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNUnet 2014-06-02 15:11:04
Nice that it’s going in-browser, the installation process for the out-of-browser version is a bit of a nightmare.   I can’t imagine many Windows users getting past https://gnunet.org/content/build-instructions-microsoft-windows-platforms , I’ve never tried it though /...\ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUnet Is this old news? Isn't it time to talk about it? Even more now that it is getting a totally in-browser webRTC implementation
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
pings. The client can assume that subscription will work, otherwise the server is mis-implemented and should be avoided. For communicating between peers and browsers, there's WebRTC, which acts as an HTTPL channel just like the Workers' postMessage channel /...\ mint.com would read citibank's data/HTML and rearrange it.  However that would happen before the resulting HTML is feed into the browser for display/interaction. The User-Agent behaviors and HTTP messaging handle the question of IPC between the Citibank page and the Mint worker. Typed links are used
David Burns [LibreList] meowbit enables .bit domains on windows 2014-03-31 08:56:31
list, so beg pardon if this topic has already been discussed. http://meowbit.com/ Install meowbit and your browsers and apps can see .bit web pages (windows only unfortunately). Seems like recentralize might want to interview someone from that project. There is a similar project called freespeechme that enables /...\ firefox browsers only, on windows or linux. .bit is a top level domain controlled by the namecoin P2P network, not ICANN. cheers, Dave
Janislav Malahov [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 19:13:27
Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > : The underlying tech is irrelevant - the hard bit is having a browser standard for this. The thing stopping me making micropayments isn't if I have to pay 5% to Visa or use a centralised server, it is that there is no interface for doing /...\ micropayments. Anyone know how the W3C web payments process is getting on http://www.w3.org/Payments/ ? Are browsers ever likely to adopt it? Francis On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, at 11:31 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > On 25/08/15 11:25, Janislav Malahov wrote: > > Agree! Fits to this
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 16:25:23
underlying tech is irrelevant - the hard bit is having a browser standard for this. The thing stopping me making micropayments isn't if I have to pay 5% to Visa or use a centralised server, it is that there is no interface for doing micropayments. Anyone know /...\ payments process is getting on http://www.w3.org/Payments/ ? Are browsers ever likely to adopt it? Francis On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, at 11:31 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > On 25/08/15 11:25, Janislav Malahov wrote: > > Agree! Fits to this > > topic: https://medium.com/@MrAwesome/solving-america-s-top-fears-by-tipping-a-billion-websites-4a9744f1288b
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 21:08:34
satisfies almost all my needs, except this : " CAUTION: The client side encryption is not work currently for mobile client, web browser and the cloud file browser of the desktop client. "  So you don't always get encryption.  Lame
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 09:56:09
80kLOC large) source file: > http://ball.askemos.org/Aa176138e655369f8c01c3044ced70cfc > (be sure to read that in whitespace preserving source mode, do NOT let > the browser mangle it and skip XML comments
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 03:28:23
file: >> http://ball.askemos.org/Aa176138e655369f8c01c3044ced70cfc >> (be sure to read that in whitespace preserving source mode, do NOT let >> the browser mangle it and skip XML comments
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-09 11:30:40
ball.askemos.org/Aa176138e655369f8c01c3044ced70cfc >>> (be sure to read that in whitespace preserving source mode, do NOT let >>> the browser mangle it and skip XML comments
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-08 18:36:58
about WebRTC Data Black Magic  at RealtimeConf! I wanted to share a bit about my new project, WebTorrent . I'm building a browser BitTorrent client that requires no install (no plugin/extension/etc.) and fully-interoperates with the regular BitTorrent network. We'll use WebRTC Data Channels for peer
Peter Wang [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-10-25 01:29:00
Francis, This is a good and important effort.  I would encourage you to look at adding Dat ( http://datproject.org ) and Beaker Browser ( https://beakerbrowser.com/ ) to this list.  There is good energy starting to emerge around these two projects. Overall, I feel that the tech community
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-08 15:46:06
about WebRTC Data Black Magic  at RealtimeConf! I wanted to share a bit about my new project, WebTorrent . I'm building a browser BitTorrent client that requires no install (no plugin/extension/etc.) and fully-interoperates with the regular BitTorrent network. We'll use WebRTC Data Channels for peer
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-30 12:09:19
wanted to share a bit about my new project, WebTorrent<http://webtorrent.io> > . > > I'm building a browser BitTorrent client that requires no install (no > plugin/extension/etc.) and fully-interoperates with the regular BitTorrent > network. We'll use WebRTC Data Channels for peer-to-peer
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 20:38:25
Regarding what's different, privacy may be more commercially attractive on its own. WebRTC is a decent new piece of tech, and I think browsers are getting thicker. As for funding, don't know, but be sure to tell me when an idea comes
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-31 17:54:38
wanted to share a bit about my new project, WebTorrent< http://webtorrent.io > > . > > I'm building a browser BitTorrent client that requires no install (no > plugin/extension/etc.) and fully-interoperates with the regular BitTorrent > network. We'll use WebRTC Data Channels for peer-to-peer
Thomas Levine [GG] Distributed Dance Party update 2018-06-18 23:34:00
View it in your browser
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-29 15:17:09
computer. That’s the point. I tested with an app called Newsfire, but it can be any local RSS reader, web browser, or URL fetcher. The point is to make a trivial and goofy but hopefully hard-hitting demo of the fact that IP is in fact
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
Assuming (B), mint.com would read citibank's data/HTML and rearrange it.  However that would happen before the resulting HTML is feed into the browser for display/interaction. The User-Agent behaviors and HTTP messaging handle the question of IPC between the Citibank page and the Mint worker. Typed links
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 14:52:13
Giovanni P [LibreList] GNUnet 2014-06-02 10:33:51
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUnet Is this old news? Isn't it time to talk about it? Even more now that it is getting a totally in-browser webRTC implementation
feross [GG] WebTorrent Desktop - open source streaming torrent client 2016-04-06 17:28:00
Desktop (BETA) today! https://webtorrent.io/desktop WebTorrent Desktop bridges the WebTorrent and BitTorrent networks. If enough people end up running it, BitTorrent in the browser will really happen. Projects like the Internet Archive can make huge files available for immediate streaming on their website, without paying for bandwidth
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-08 15:31:00
about WebRTC Data Black Magic  at RealtimeConf! I wanted to share a bit about my new project, WebTorrent . I'm building a browser BitTorrent client that requires no install (no plugin/extension/etc.) and fully-interoperates with the regular BitTorrent network. We'll use WebRTC Data Channels for peer
Torbjörn Johnson [GG] A distributed CDN 2017-03-07 09:43:00
Feross and Diego!) to avoid the download of any app for viewing. Just click the video in the catalogue and it plays in your browser (Chrome, Firefox, Opera). The product has its roots in the EU-funded project P2P-Next but has been further developed by DACC Systems
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
over from zero with SHA3? I think the tech behind it is more interesting than Bitcoin itself. It reminds me of the web. Hypertext, browsers, and the new hybrid thin client model they led to was interesting. The internet was certainly damn interesting. But pets.com and flooz? Not so much
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
trust + key:value store. > I think the tech behind it is more interesting than Bitcoin itself. It reminds me of the web. Hypertext, browsers, and the new hybrid thin client model they led to was interesting. The internet was certainly damn interesting. But pets.com and flooz? Not so much
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-29 19:55:53
computer. That’s the point. I tested with an app called Newsfire, but it can be any local RSS reader, web browser, or URL fetcher. The point is to make a trivial and goofy but hopefully hard-hitting demo of the fact that IP is in fact
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-31 21:36:34
computer. That’s the point. I tested with an app called Newsfire, but it can be any local RSS reader, web browser, or URL fetcher. The point is to make a trivial and goofy but hopefully hard-hitting demo of the fact that IP is in fact
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 13:20:45
brings monetization. So: we need to replace servers by some service running at the users end of the wire. (Like some script running in browser's cache, secretly downloading missing components on demand from something akin to git.) Two effects: a) no more tracking (+) b) no money from tracking
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:34:56
single (though having 80kLOC large) source file: http://ball.askemos.org/Aa176138e655369f8c01c3044ced70cfc (be sure to read that in whitespace preserving source mode, do NOT let the browser mangle it and skip XML comments). > and currently we are focusing on figuring out how to design much > simpler things that