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Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
Christian, Go right ahead! :) Yes, in the village case (#2), they are more interested in connecting their village (i.e. residents with one another) locally and to other neighbouring villages through wifi and directional antennas. Internet is secondary. Also should make it clear at this point that this /...\ they have any thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward? Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally? Christian Anish Mangal wrote: > Hi hk (sorry don't have your name), > > Thank you for this well thought out and long /...\ response, a lot of which I > can connect with. > > My primary focus is certainly not to "educate", perhaps I used the wrong > word. If you read my email, the progression went something like > > pull from the field about being aware of pitfalls and benefits
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
Anish Mangal wrote: > Hi Christian, > > Go right ahead! :) > > Yes, in the village case (#2), they are more interested in connecting > their village (i.e. residents with one another) locally and to other > neighbouring villages through wifi and directional antennas. Internet is > secondary /...\ thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward? > > Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally? > > Christian > > Anish Mangal wrote: > > Hi hk (sorry don't have your name), > > > > Thank /...\ this well thought out and long response, a lot of > which I > > can connect with. > > > > My primary focus is certainly not to "educate", perhaps I used the > wrong > > word. If you read my email, the progression went something
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
grey area, but I really don't think of it as a VPN. A VPN is typically used to connect two networks together, or to allow a disconnected client to incorporate itself into a network. ZT1's networks are first-order entities. Think of it as being like the difference /...\ client and a virtual machine. Both allow you to use a different operating system on your local desktop. The first is a client that connects you to one running somewhere else, while the second actually runs one virtually. The closest thing out there to ZT1 is probably LogMeIn Hamachi /...\ communications between peers are encrypted end-to-end, so while supernodes can see *that* you are communicating (unless you successfully NAT-traverse and connect directly) but cannot read your traffic. Relay nodes assist in NAT traversal by sending a RENDEZVOUS message to both peers periodically if they are being relayed
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
grey area, but I really don't think of it as a VPN. A VPN is typically used to connect two networks together, or to allow a disconnected client to incorporate itself into a network. ZT1's networks are first-order entities. Think of it as being like the difference /...\ client and a virtual machine. Both allow you to use a different operating system on your local desktop. The first is a client that connects you to one running somewhere else, while the second actually runs one virtually. The closest thing out there to ZT1 is probably LogMeIn Hamachi /...\ communications between peers are encrypted end-to-end, so while supernodes can see *that* you are communicating (unless you successfully NAT-traverse and connect directly) but cannot read your traffic. Relay nodes assist in NAT traversal by sending a RENDEZVOUS message to both peers periodically if they are being relayed
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
they have any thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward? Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally? Christian Anish Mangal wrote: > Hi hk (sorry don't have your name), > > Thank you for this well thought out and long /...\ response, a lot of which I > can connect with. > > My primary focus is certainly not to "educate", perhaps I used the wrong > word. If you read my email, the progression went something like > > pull from the field about being aware of pitfalls /...\ remove from "the > big picture" anything that "doesn't compute". > > A prime example is this belief that connecting everyone to the Internet > will bring more benefits than harm. But so far, there's no > demonstration that communities thrive better with Internet
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 10:55:53
rough edges around what goes into the registry to configure the tap devices properly so that they look right in the native Windows network connection dialogs. I want the user to be able to use those dialogs too to do things like set firewall policies on a per-tap basis /...\ have those settings stick. 3) I want to make sure that these connections are by default treated as untrusted networks by the Windows firewall, for obvious reasons. If the user wants them to be considered trusted they should have to go into the Windows network connections dialogs
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 13:00:12
rough edges around what goes into the registry to configure the tap devices properly so that they look right in the native Windows network connection dialogs. I want the user to be able to use those dialogs too to do things like set firewall policies on a per-tap basis /...\ have those settings stick. 3) I want to make sure that these connections are by default treated as untrusted networks by the Windows firewall, for obvious reasons. If the user wants them to be considered trusted they should have to go into the Windows network connections dialogs
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 21:02:50
sorry don't have your name), Thank you for this well thought out and long response, a lot of which I can connect with. My primary focus is certainly not to "educate", perhaps I used the wrong word. If you read my email, the progression went something like pull from /...\ diversity of situations and tend to remove from "the big picture" anything that "doesn't compute". A prime example is this belief that connecting everyone to the Internet will bring more benefits than harm.  But so far, there's no demonstration that communities thrive better with Internet access /...\ defend themselves better if they can reach out to the Internauts and have them pressure their politicians. If "the next billion" is to connect to the Internet with Apple devices and Facebook, well, they won't get any benefit from it: they will join the hordes of ignorant people sucked
Thomas Levine [GG] Distributed Dance Party update 2018-06-18 23:34:00
waiver to gain re-entry to the USA in time for   Camp Decentral's return- please get in touch if you have connections to   immigration lawyers or government officials who may be able to assist :)       And we've got three /...\ discuss what these changes mean for communities across   Portugal, Europe and the World. Providing the space to nurture these   connections will empower leadership, connect the dots and transmute events   into movements and vehicles for liberation!   The two-day event features more than
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-17 08:09:46
They use Pagekite.  They could use Tor.  Tor is very nice for this.  I > use it to connect to my parents' computer from anywhere.  No need to > deal with dynamic DNS or stupid ADSL IP address changes /...\ course open, consider contributing some code towards this! https://github.com/owncloud/proxy/issues/1 > > > > And all this is also connected, of course, to Let's Encrypt being almo > st > > ready: > > https://letsencrypt.org/2015/09/14/our-first-cert.html > > > > That's another problem for people running
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
communications between peers are encrypted end-to-end, so while supernodes can see *that* you are communicating (unless you successfully NAT-traverse and connect directly) but cannot read your traffic. Relay nodes assist in NAT traversal by sending a RENDEZVOUS message to both peers periodically if they are being relayed /...\ mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 12:07:38
example, see [2][3]). Many times there is no internet access, but in a > few cases there is some limited (in bandwidth) connectivity available. > Naturally, the question of "enabling the internet" comes up. Whether it > be some educator or an elder in the village, they /...\ mozilla > web-literacy website [4] they seem to have a logical progression > structure from Explore -> Build -> Connect. I don't think that is correct. > > Regardless of my actions or whatever the XSCE project does, more people > are going to go online through Facebook
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
tried to submit, the survey had been shut down... glup :-( So, here is my bottle for the sea : If anyone knows anyone at DG Connect, do not hesitate to send him my answers bellow (a kind of decentralized answer to a centralized survey :-) cheers, Benjamin ANDRE - Cozy Cloud /...\ PIMS (banks, hosting companies, hardware vendors to self host…) 3/ vendors/administrations/associations providing data to individuals from their services (data from our connected devices, consumption statements, invoices, health data, …)  4/ P2P social networks for decentralized social requests, such as social comparisons or epidemiology
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
communications between peers are encrypted end-to-end, so while supernodes can see *that* you are communicating (unless you successfully NAT-traverse and connect directly) but cannot read your traffic. Relay nodes assist in NAT traversal by sending a RENDEZVOUS message to both peers periodically if they are being relayed /...\ mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Shannon Tyler Cunningham [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 04:32:00
Swartz attempting to download JSTOR with the hopes of uploading it illicitly), but I don't think we should work from the *assumption that connecting less connected populations is always beneficial to those populations. If that idea turns out to be a good fit for a given population/community/region, then
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
example, see [2][3]). Many times there is no internet access, but in a > few cases there is some limited (in bandwidth) connectivity available. > Naturally, the question of "enabling the internet" comes up. Whether it > be some educator or an elder in the village, they want /...\ mozilla > web-literacy website [4] they seem to have a logical progression > structure from Explore -> Build -> Connect. I don't think that is correct. > > Regardless of my actions or whatever the XSCE project does, more people > are going to go online through Facebook
Anish Mangal [LibreList] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 15:55:01
example, see [2][3]). Many times there is no internet access, but in a few cases there is some limited (in bandwidth) connectivity available. Naturally, the question of "enabling the internet" comes up. Whether it be some educator or an elder in the village, they want to be aware /...\ example, if you go to the mozilla web-literacy website [4] they seem to have a logical progression structure from Explore -> Build -> Connect. I don't think that is correct. Regardless of my actions or whatever the XSCE project does, more people are going to go online through
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
example, see [2][3]). Many times there is no internet access, but in a > > few cases there is some limited (in bandwidth) connectivity available. > > Naturally, the question of "enabling the internet" comes up. > Whether it > > be some educator or an elder /...\ mozilla > > web-literacy website [4] they seem to have a logical progression > > structure from Explore -> Build -> Connect. I don't think that is > correct. > > > > Regardless of my actions or whatever the XSCE project does, more > people
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 11:17:34
tend to remove from "the big picture" anything that "doesn't compute". A prime example is this belief that connecting everyone to the Internet will bring more benefits than harm. But so far, there's no demonstration that communities thrive better with Internet access. Certainly isolated /...\ themselves better if they can reach out to the Internauts and have them pressure their politicians. If "the next billion" is to connect to the Internet with Apple devices and Facebook, well, they won't get any benefit from it: they will join the hordes of ignorant people
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-16 16:15:21
find interesting: https://owncloud.org/c onnect/ > They use Pagekite. They could use Tor. Tor is very nice for this. I use it to connect to my parents' computer from anywhere. No need to deal with dynamic DNS or stupid ADSL IP address changes. It just works /...\ this is also connected, of course, to Let's Encrypt being almo st > ready: > https://letsencrypt.org/2015/09/14/our-first-cert.html > > That's another problem for people running their own server - solved. > Yep, LetsEncrypt FTW. The perfect way to phase out SSL business, while we're setting
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] London panelist? 2014-04-25 08:01:11
Telehash is exactly the decentralized networking category :) We're right in the middle if supporting transparent mesh connectivity over BLE and 802.15.4 as well... I'll see if there's anyone in our community that might be able to join, wish I was in the area, sounds super interesting
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:31:53
system. They can also be more reliable. I host many things in the cloud because it almost never goes offline, while my home Internet connection is much more flaky. What we really need — and many many people including you have hit on this — is to find ways
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:27:01
everything but port 80 and 443 being blocked by running their non-HTTP app over those ports and unnecessarily using a central server to connect two endpoints. Result: Central server becomes a single point of compromise for millions of users' communications. 3) Enterprise starts using DPI to actually verify that
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:31:33
everything but port 80 and 443 being blocked by running their non-HTTP app over those ports and unnecessarily using a central server to connect two endpoints. Result: Central server becomes a single point of compromise for millions of users' communications. 3) Enterprise starts using DPI to actually verify that
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
that shouldn't exclude the possibility of usefully exploiting the greater resources of other nodes that run on AC power and have cheap wired connections. So once you admit the possibility of building a network which is both decentralized and asymmetrical it becomes an optimization problem. How close
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
about to leave to spend some time on a remote Scottish island without internet (but I wanted to reply before I left the relatively connected location of the mainland - I'm playing email catch-up). I'll re-read what follows (which upon first reading is very interesting) and reply
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 19:21:54
leave to spend some time on a > remote Scottish island without internet (but I wanted to reply before > I left the relatively connected location of the mainland - I'm playing > email catch-up). See you soon
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
second problem is the communication problem, which is a reliability/availability problem. You have some public key and you want to make a [more] direct connection to it so you need to identify someone or some path that can be trusted to reliably deliver the request. Traditional broadcast media can actually
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
system. They can also be more reliable. I host many things in the cloud because it almost never goes offline, while my home Internet connection is much more flaky. What we really need — and many many people including you have hit on this — is to find ways
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:21:49
system. They can also be more reliable. I host many things in the cloud because it almost never goes offline, while my home Internet connection is much more flaky. What we really need — and many many people including you have hit on this — is to find ways
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 19:06:34
Poortvliet < jospoortvliet@gmail.com > wrote: Frank just published a draft of a proposed Federated Cloud Sharing API - as in, how to connect different file share and sync clouds. http://karlitschek.de/2015/08/announcing-the-draft-federated-cloud-sharing-api/ We already shared this with a bunch of other open source file sync & share projects and some standards
Thomas Levine [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 06:33:00
this stuff locally, I read and edit files with assorted ordinary software I'm thinking about making a standalone ZIM file reader and connecting it to recoll because Kiwix is annoying to install and to use. Once I start carrying more hard drives with me, I'll probably
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-11 11:25:00
tried to submit, the survey had been shut down... glup :-( So, here is my bottle for the sea : If anyone knows anyone at DG Connect, do not hesitate to send him my answers bellow (a kind of decentralized answer to a centralized survey :-) Hi Benjamin, did you try the email
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 17:54:13
with a radical new redesign and improved stability, support for ARMv7 boards (first of which being Cubietruck and Beaglebone Black), new Installer/client for connected machines, value-added services and much much more. Excited about: hiring two new contributors to be directors on the project, reincorporating as a non-profit
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 17:59:46
particularly stupid piece of kit as it is only effectively a client. To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web browser metaphor hoists on us. All these browser extensions are doing is instituting
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 12:20:44
description [1], this seems the be one the most ambitious and thought-out projects I have seen so far. For the peer-to-peer connections, they are currently using an (optional) locally-installed software called "Avatar Bridge" which is aimed to fill the gap until WebRTC reaches maturity and wide
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 16:07:34
Which purpose do you have in mind? The rest of your email, was uncorrelated snippets of security-sounding concepts, that don't have much connection to the field as it exists today. Well, it's true that the criterion of being in-corruptible is not widely known today
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2015-09-07 08:47:29
implementation is to have offline content-loaded servers hosted in schools and villages providing access to media and collaboration tools. If there is internet connectivity, the server becomes a gateway. We have pilots in Haiti, India, Ghana, Nepal and a few other places :) The idea of a decentralized
vaX Cymaticka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 14:40:51
particularly stupid piece of kit as it is only effectively a client. To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web browser metaphor hoists on us. All these browser extensions are doing is instituting
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 21:12:46
stupid piece of kit as it is only effectively a client.   To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web browser metaphor hoists on us.   All these browser extensions are doing
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 09:53:54
description [1], this seems the be one the most ambitious and thought-out projects I have seen so far. For the peer-to-peer connections, they are currently using an (optional) locally-installed software called "Avatar Bridge" which is aimed to fill the gap until WebRTC reaches maturity and wide
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 11:04:28
description [1], this seems the be one the most ambitious and thought-out projects I have seen so far. For the peer-to-peer connections, they are currently using an (optional) locally-installed software called "Avatar Bridge" which is aimed to fill the gap until WebRTC reaches maturity and wide
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:06:48
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:17:23
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 12:22:12
Which purpose do you have in mind? The rest of your email, was uncorrelated snippets of security-sounding concepts, that don't have much connection to the field as it exists today. Well, it's true that the criterion of being in-corruptible is not widely known today
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-01 21:02:50
maximally-decentralized IM network that uses a centralized zero-knowledge server for tracking the IPs and open port numbers of people or devices connected to said network, which chat clients somehow query so they know where the IM should be sent. In this scenario, do you think it's possible
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 17:46:44
description [1], this seems the be one the most ambitious and thought-out projects I have seen so far. For the peer-to-peer connections, they are currently using an (optional) locally-installed software called "Avatar Bridge" which is aimed to fill the gap until WebRTC reaches maturity
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Hello! 2015-09-02 22:02:28
implementation is to have offline content-loaded servers hosted in schools and villages providing access to media and collaboration tools. If there is internet connectivity, the server becomes a gateway. We have pilots in Haiti, India, Ghana, Nepal and a few other places :) The idea of a decentralized
Marc Laporte [LibreList] Tiki Suite - Server, Web, Desktop and Mobile suite 2014-06-26 21:53:55
just about any operating system. However, for Tiki Suite we have selected ClearOS for deeper & tighter integration. ClearOS is a cloud-connected Server, Network, and Gateway operating system designed for homes and distributed organizations. ClearOS is a central component of Tiki Suite and has a very large number
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 17:21:52
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] connecting 2015-09-16 19:14:02