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Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
actual value to store. * timestamp - a UNIX >> timestamp representing when the creator of the item thinks the >> item was created (so it's easy to work out the latest version of >> an item given two candidates). * expires - a UNIX timestamp >> beyond which /...\ expire, be ignored and deleted in remote nodes. * name - a >> meaningful name given by the creator for the key. * created_with >> - the version of the drogulus the creator used to generate the >> item. * public_key - the creator's public /...\ together with the hash of the actual value. > So the creator (via their public key) and time of creation are all constituent in creating the hash. > Now if you take this hash as canonical identifier for the object, > you can always proof it's integrity. See also
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located /...\ arbitrary distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private distributed LANs. I plan to charge users to create private distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying /...\ manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your own mysql database and admin everything yourself and most commercial users don't want to do that. (3) I actually view operational decentralization as being
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located /...\ arbitrary distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private distributed LANs. I plan to charge users to create private distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying /...\ manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your own mysql database and admin everything yourself and most commercial users don't want to do that. (3) I actually view operational decentralization as being
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located /...\ arbitrary distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private distributed LANs. I plan to charge users to create private distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying /...\ manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your own mysql database and admin everything yourself and most commercial users don't want to do that. (3) I actually view operational decentralization as being
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located /...\ arbitrary distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private distributed LANs. I plan to charge users to create private distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying /...\ manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your own mysql database and admin everything yourself and most commercial users don't want to do that. (3) I actually view operational decentralization as being
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
arbitrary distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private distributed LANs. I plan to charge users to create private distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying /...\ manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your own mysql database and admin everything yourself and most commercial users don't want to do that. (3) I actually view operational decentralization as being /...\ little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
Detecting which nodes are malicious might not even be computable. It's the lack of verifiable information. Unless you have some trust anchors to create a frame of reference you can never tell who is defecting vs. who is lying about others defecting. And as I think about /...\ compute this? The solution most of the Internet uses is for real-world political entities (corporations, governments, etc.) to create signing certificates. This is also the solution ZeroTier uses, more or less. Supernodes are designated as such because they're hard coded, which will soon be determined by a signing /...\ more and more about hybrid systems where you've got multiple types of systems -- including both centralized and decentralized -- that back each other to create an "antifragile" network. > The Bitcoin network solves the trust problem by essentially trusting itself. If someone successfully mounted a 51% attack against Bitcoin, nothing
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
arbitrary distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private distributed LANs. I plan to charge users to create private distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying /...\ manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your own mysql database and admin everything yourself and most commercial users don't want to do that. (3) I actually view operational decentralization as being /...\ little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:08:18
malicious or by accident) What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems /...\ served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> Address.  I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: > > -- Richard D. Bartlett Loomio co-founder rich@loomio.org
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 14:44:40
malicious or by accident) What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems /...\ suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times >> greater >> than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to >> create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? >> >> I think this is possible /...\ Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> >> Address.  I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 19:21:54
sure I understand you completely. The public key is required > in order for third parties to validate the signature (created with the > associated private key). May I ask: why does it have to be that way? Experience teaches that public/secret key schemes need to be change over time /...\ trivial distributed "Dropbox" clone built with fuse is one of > my target "quick example" applications (a la "create a blog" for web > frameworks and "create a todo list" for Javascript frameworks). Want one? Takes a minute
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 12:45:35
just a well-known example. Got one question here: this seems to replicate data.  Does it protect against malicious updates too? It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with convergence, but the systemic /...\ this: * Every "wallet" is a (sqlite) database holding a balance table of two columns: amount and currency. (Together with some user interface.) * Users can create orders (documents) to transfer some amount to some other wallet. The receiver can either accept or reject. (There is more, like maintaining nick names /...\ small.) For a larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes at quadratic communication cost.  Instead we would create "virtual banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly online and prevent fraud
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
information processing powers many >> >> times >> >> greater >> >> than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to >> >> create a system that enforced cooperation using just information /...\ Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> >> >> Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a >> >> >> rather >> >> >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times >> greater >> than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to >> create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? >> >> I think this is possible /...\ served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> >> Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
malicious or by accident) What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems /...\ served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> Address.  I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
complex systems. The inverse works too. Individually, spending money makes you poorer. But if we *all* spend money, we get (paradoxically) richer. We create a lot more economic activity which creates many more opportunities and tends to inflate things like wages in the long term. So paying for stuff online /...\ this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even when you trust each piece
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:31:53
complex systems. The inverse works too. Individually, spending money makes you poorer. But if we *all* spend money, we get (paradoxically) richer. We create a lot more economic activity which creates many more opportunities and tends to inflate things like wages in the long term. So paying for stuff online /...\ this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even when you trust each piece
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help.   One of my main interests is looking at ways /...\ which we can create news publications that are controlled and edited by it's readers, that are censorship proof, that remove bias from journalism and allows more accurate and transparent dissemination of information to citizens. After all, information and news are what allows us, as a society to make good
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 12:20:44
need to scale their ambition back, or find a good way to release usable chunks. You can't underestimate the resources it takes to create a platform, and you can't waste time when you're 1) downstream of a platform that could eat you (the browsers) and 2) mixed /...\ might already have heard of it. There is a new project called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a distributed and secure P2P network which allows for messaging and data storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many platforms
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Decentralization and antifragility 2014-01-14 09:35:05
software. To frame this conversation, let me assert this: "The Web became less  anti-fragile once hosting became more complex than creating marked-up documents." At that point, you couldn't easily distribute the hosting media, so end-users couldn't create redundant hosts, and the centralized hosting
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 09:53:54
need to scale their ambition back, or find a good way to release usable chunks. You can't underestimate the resources it takes to create a platform, +1, though i believe you wanted to say that you can't _over_estimate the resources it takes.  Underestimating is pretty simple /...\ might already have heard of it. There is a new project called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a distributed and secure P2P network which allows for messaging and data storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many platforms
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 11:04:28
need to scale their ambition back, or find a good way to release usable chunks. You can't underestimate the resources it takes to create a platform, +1, though i believe you wanted to say that you can't _over_estimate the resources it takes.  Underestimating is pretty /...\ might already have heard of it. There is a new project called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a distributed and secure P2P network which allows for messaging and data storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many platforms
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 11:05:11
today's Internet. And you can share it with responsibility and mutual respect undergirded by interlocking software structures. This is what Hiveware does. It creates the potential for a new Internet where cooperative sharing can take place while maintaining ownerships (there are many different kinds it turns out). Imagine /...\ agree. But the Google, Twitter, and FB (NSA?) server farms don't have to be privy to the contents of the created material. 'A' who sends content to 'B' via a server 'S' where the content is 2048-bit end-to-end encrypted, still creatively owns his digital item where
holger krekel [LibreList] any meeting point for tonight? 2015-10-16 08:18:38
talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help. > > One of my main interests is looking /...\ ways in which we can create news publications that are controlled and edited by it's readers, that are censorship proof, that remove bias from journalism and allows more accurate and transparent dissemination of information to citizens. After all, information and news are what allows us, as a society
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
physically not. (Another - related - confusion might be interesting to readers looking at it from a legal background: in such a network new objects are created at all nodes running the creating application at the same time and independently. Hence there is no such relationship like original vs. copy
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
physically not. (Another - related - confusion might be interesting to readers looking at it from a legal background: in such a network new objects are created at all nodes running the creating application at the same time and independently.  Hence there is no such relationship like original vs. copy
Francis Irving [LibreList] Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 20:07:43
talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help.   One of my main interests is looking at ways /...\ which we can create news publications that are controlled and edited by it's readers, that are censorship proof, that remove bias from journalism and allows more accurate and transparent dissemination of information to citizens. After all, information and news are what allows us, as a society to make good
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 14:07:49
talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help.   One of my main interests is looking /...\ ways in which we can create news publications that are controlled and edited by it's readers, that are censorship proof, that remove bias from journalism and allows more accurate and transparent dissemination of information to citizens. After all, information and news are what allows us, as a society
will.sch [LibreList] RDC 15 2015-10-15 13:25:28
talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help. One of my main interests is looking at ways /...\ which we can create news publications that are controlled and edited by it's readers, that are censorship proof, that remove bias from journalism and allows more accurate and transparent dissemination of information to citizens. After all, information and news are what allows us, as a society to make good
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:06:56
exactly, but close. CJDNS is a mesh protocol that creates a single L3 IPv6 network. ZeroTier One is a hybrid peer to peer protocol that creates virtual Ethernet networks (plural). ZeroTier is more like SDN for everyone, everywhere. (SDN is software defined networking, and refers to the creation of software
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 00:48:45
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Not exactly, but close. CJDNS is a mesh protocol that creates a single L3 IPv6 network. ZeroTier One is a hybrid peer to peer protocol that creates virtual Ethernet networks (plural). ZeroTier is more like SDN for everyone, everywhere. (SDN is software defined networking
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 11:57:52
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Not exactly, but close. CJDNS is a mesh protocol that creates a single L3 IPv6 network. ZeroTier One is a hybrid peer to peer protocol that creates virtual Ethernet networks (plural). ZeroTier is more like SDN for everyone, everywhere. (SDN is software defined networking
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-06 12:58:21
JSON object): * value - the actual value to store. * timestamp - a UNIX timestamp representing when the creator of the item thinks the item was created (so it's easy to work out the latest version of an item given two candidates). * expires - a UNIX timestamp beyond which the creator /...\ would like the item to expire, be ignored and deleted in remote nodes. * name - a meaningful name given by the creator for the key. * created_with - the version of the drogulus the creator used to generate the item. * public_key - the creator's public key. * key - the SHA-512 value
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 11:31:57
value - the actual value to store. > * timestamp - a UNIX timestamp representing when the creator of the item > thinks the item was created (so it's easy to work out the latest version > of an item given two candidates). > * expires - a UNIX timestamp beyond which the creator /...\ item to expire, be ignored and deleted in remote nodes. > * name - a meaningful name given by the creator for the key. > * created_with - the version of the drogulus the creator used to > generate the item. > * public_key - the creator's public
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
processing power and solves the triangle by providing trust without centralization. An interesting question is what might we use instead of computing power to create a trust democracy that would allow the good guys to retain a majority. > This is basic to any relayed crypto peer to peer system /...\ able to discover that path. So the attacker can dump traffic on the low-capacity honest paths to take them offline and then create a bunch of Sybils to make discovering the higher-capacity paths more difficult, and you have no way to distinguish between the target legitimately being offline
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater > than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to > create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? > > I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:07:09
After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute > data-structures as well, This would be the easy part. We just create the data structures at all commissioned peers simultaneously. This requires a small computational overhead, but still way cheaper than proof-of-work or some such /...\ datasets need to be verifiable, > so that Alice can rehost messages from Bob without possibly altering them. If we did not fail when creating the data at Bob's, Alice's and two more (we should have at least four parties here for byzantine fault tolerance), they will
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:45:37
wallet" is a (sqlite) database holding a balance table of two columns: amount and currency. (Together with some user interface.) * Users can create orders (documents) to transfer some amount to some other wallet. The receiver can either accept or reject. (There is more, like maintaining nick names for wallets /...\ receivers notaries is too small.) For a larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as in "having signed a legal contract") to keep
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 06:51:59
sqlite) database holding a balance table of two > columns: amount and currency. (Together with some user interface.) > * Users can create orders (documents) to transfer some amount to some > other wallet. The receiver can either accept or reject. > > (There is more, like maintaining nick names /...\ small.) > > For a larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes > at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual > banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as > in "having signed a legal contract") to keep
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 13:59:28
warning (revoke the verification). That gives a more usable solution to "my account may have been hacked because it's sending weird emails" -- you create a new account, call up your friends, and have them flag off the old account for a new one. (2) More generally, SSB can publish /...\ schrieb Paul Frazee: Got one question here: this seems to replicate data.  Does it protect against malicious updates too? It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with convergence, but the systemic model
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:34:56
sqlite) database holding a balance table of two >> columns: amount and currency. (Together with some user interface.) >> * Users can create orders (documents) to transfer some amount to some >> other wallet. The receiver can either accept or reject. >> >> (There is more /...\ larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes >> at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual >> banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as >> in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:53:52
warning (revoke the verification). That gives a more usable solution to "my account may have been hacked because it's sending weird emails" -- you create a new account, call up your friends, and have them flag off the old account for a new one. Hm.  I'd personally /...\ schrieb Paul Frazee: Got one question here: this seems to replicate data.  Does it protect against malicious updates too? It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with convergence, but the systemic model for security
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-17 08:09:46
that is an interesting point, yes. And with the .onion domain, one can be reached from the 'normal' web, too? Hey, I will create an issue for this, but - please, the app is of course open, consider contributing some code towards this! https://github.com/owncloud/proxy/issues/1 /...\ perfect way to phase out SSL business, while > we're setting up the real GNU Internet.  Downside: it creates a SPoF > that will become more interesting for FVEY to attack once every activist > on Earth will give the finger to GoDaddy or StartSSL and switch
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 11:31:17
coming so it > will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. > Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change > in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help. >> >> One > of my main /...\ interests is looking at ways in which we can create news > publications that are controlled and edited by it's readers, that are > censorship proof, that remove bias from journalism and allows more > accurate and transparent dissemination of information to citizens. > After all, information and news
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help. One of my main interests is looking at ways /...\ which we can create news publications that are controlled and edited by it's readers, that are censorship proof, that remove bias from journalism and allows more accurate and transparent dissemination of information to citizens. After all, information and news are what allows us, as a society to make good
Marc Laporte [LibreList] Tiki Suite - Server, Web, Desktop and Mobile suite 2014-06-26 21:53:55
XMPP component. A key part of Tiki Suite is to have a high level of integration between the components. Thus, when you create a user in the ClearOS user system (which is OpenLDAP), this login works for all apps: Prosody & Jitsi, Tiki, Zarafa & Thunderbird, ActiveSync, OpenVPN, File shares
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 17:21:52
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 14:13:39
schrieb Paul Frazee: Got one question here: this seems to replicate data.  Does it protect against malicious updates too? It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with convergence, but the systemic model for security
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-16 16:15:21
solved. > Yep, LetsEncrypt FTW. The perfect way to phase out SSL business, while we're setting up the real GNU Internet. Downside: it creates a SPoF that will become more interesting for FVEY to attack once every activist on Earth will give the finger to GoDaddy or StartSSL
christoph [GG] Decentralized Web (SF) and Matrix Channel 2016-05-30 06:57:00
using Matrix for communication? They have a really great product out there and if fits the redecentralizaion theme perfectly :) I'd love to create a redecentralization channel on our CloudFleet home server. cheers Christoph
Christoph Witzany [LibreList] Session Suggestion: Data Autonomy 2015-10-17 14:59:48
Silos Data Autonomy , the sovereignty of individuals over data about them gains importance with the amount of data that is created. Data Autonomy has two aspects, access and confidentially. Access is the possibility to know what data exists about us and to read it. This ability must be guarded against
Anne Radl [GG] New grant fund for decentralising tech! 2018-07-03 05:31:00
your interest in creating equitable systems that shift power to people and communities has led you to develop a tech innovation that does just that - please considering applying to Social Tech Trust's new grant fund - Tech to Unite Us! We've been thinking about the affordances of tech
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 17:54:13
more. Excited about: hiring two new contributors to be directors on the project, reincorporating as a non-profit, and working on new ideas to create a truly innovative self-hosting experience that will blow everyone's socks off :) Jacob Cook <jacob@peakwinter.net> https://peakwinter.net On 25/04/14
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-27 23:24:13
time, came out to be bigger than I ever thought it could be. I need help. A lot of help. I want to create a new social network based on the open-source movement, secure(encrypted) and a decentralized way of building out a new internet that we so much
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-28 00:20:46
time, came out to be bigger than I ever thought it could be. I need help. A lot of help. I want to create a new social network based on the open-source movement, secure(encrypted) and a decentralized way of building out a new internet that we so much
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
been living there for 20 yrs and is very concerned about the privacy > implications of accessing the internet. He wants originally to create a > local web and then enable internet access in a controlled fashion. > - Is afraid of people uploading objectionable content which may pose
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-06-05 12:21:02
merged into a single program.   By instead splitting Web applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html
Paul Frazee [GG] Re: Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-07 10:23:00
addressed by public keys, which are used to sign content manifests for the site. https://zeronet.readthedocs.org/en/latest/faq/#how-does-it-work Pretty simple to publish, you just create a directory, sign, and push it to the network https://zeronet.readthedocs.org/en/latest/using_zeronet/create_new_site/ They have sample sites that actually look pretty good. And dynamic, hmm, how does
anishmg [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 10:04:00
things. In the context of the Ladakh deployment, we are working with cultural organizations there and have them collaborate and share media which they create. Share, not initially with the world (that comes later), but with each other - for starters, and hope to provide a platform for the same
anishmg [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-12-11 19:29:00
Dust] https://medium.com/@skynet.admin/things-i-learned-building-the-skynet-part-2-how-to-eat-dust-1a0c78a48fc7#.oc1bzbwcs I also just returned from teaching a few (local) folks in Spiti valley to create mesh networking, and if they want, set it up in their villages/communities. So far, it looks like it is being setup in a couple of villages in the valley
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 19:48:09
type of open peer-based corporation... http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages/6908 The take home from my brief skim is that the forces of capitalism creating revenue flow are what won it for centralization. Open stuff is only used tactically (e.g. Google/Apple using the web to beat Microsoft). So yeah, new initiatives should
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 13:36:12
type of open peer-based corporation... http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages/6908 The take home from my brief skim is that the forces of capitalism creating revenue flow are what won it for centralization. Open stuff is only used tactically (e.g. Google/Apple using the web to beat Microsoft). So yeah, new initiatives should
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
been living there for 20 yrs and is very concerned about the privacy > implications of accessing the internet. He wants originally to create a > local web and then enable internet access in a controlled fashion. > - Is afraid of people uploading objectionable content which may pose
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 20:23:47
more and more about hybrid systems where you've got multiple types of systems -- including both centralized and decentralized -- that back each other to create an "antifragile" network. That definitely seems like the way to go. Homogenous systems are inherently fragile because any attack that works against any part
Brian Cloutier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 05:32:00
this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even when you trust each piece
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-06-06 16:04:20
time, came out to be bigger than I ever thought it could be. I need help. A lot of help. I want to create a new social network based on the open-source movement, secure(encrypted) and a decentralized way of building out a new internet that we so much
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-06-06 08:46:27
merged into a single program.   By instead splitting Web applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html Be well
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 19:16:39
society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize in all kinds of ways
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
there for 20 yrs and is very concerned about the > privacy > > implications of accessing the internet. He wants originally to > create a > > local web and then enable internet access in a controlled fashion. > > - Is afraid of people uploading objectionable content which
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-25 11:58:19
software agents.  The agent's code however is treated like a contract: no change, no upgrade.  The system starts actually by creating a social contract holding all the code required to boot the system.  By analogy this would be the constitution and the body
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
decentralization. But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: 1. Ownership: company control of the server, its code, resulting usage data, screen space
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:35:23
suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather > centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: > > 1. Ownership: company control of the server, its code, resulting usage data
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:50:40
society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize in all kinds of ways
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:52:36
suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather > centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:47:26
society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize in all kinds of ways
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:39:30
society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize in all kinds of ways
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 16:27:31
society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize in all kinds of ways
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-05 16:13:36
only pretty recently that Docker announced they can now run on any Linux distribution . I will say that the learning curve on creating Docker containers is still a bit high for how conceptually simple (and beautiful!) Docker is. I was a little taken aback. But they acknowledge this fact
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:58:22
only pretty recently that Docker announced they can now run on any Linux distribution . I will say that the learning curve on creating Docker containers is still a bit high for how conceptually simple (and beautiful!) Docker is. I was a little taken aback. But they acknowledge this fact
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 18:29:36
groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages/6908 > > > > The take home from my brief skim is that the forces of capitalism > > creating revenue flow are what won it for centralization. Open stuff > > is only used tactically (e.g. Google/Apple using the web to beat > > Microsoft
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 13:20:45
suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather > centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: > > 1. Ownership: company control of the server, its code, resulting usage data
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 08:45:25
/div> <div>You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are <i>hard </i>and getting them to work even when you trust
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Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:21:49
this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even when you trust each piece
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 19:06:34
pragmatically, built on REST and WebDAV and TLS - no fancy  global distributed hashtable stuff (though we actually are looking into that to create a global 'address book' for this). The plus side is of course that it works today - you can already share between ownCloud instances
Louise Ishka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-03 08:38:06
only pretty recently that Docker announced they can now run on any Linux distribution . I will say that the learning curve on creating Docker containers is still a bit high for how conceptually simple (and beautiful!) Docker is. I was a little taken aback. But they acknowledge this fact
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 14:52:13
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 09:56:05
Knight Foundation and spend it on the good cause. However we need your help to get it. Our entry: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/the-shadow-internet-a-censorship-free-communication-infrastructure Please create an account at this website, upvote and discuss our entry! We really could the funds for a few extra pair of hands in the team. This
Johan Pouwelse [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 18:36:20
However we need your help to get it. >> >> Our entry: >> https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/the-shadow-internet-a-censorship-free-communication-infrastructure >> >> Please create an account at this website, upvote and discuss our entry! >> We really could the funds for a few extra pair of hands
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 13:41:47
However we need your help to get it. >> >> Our entry: >> https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/the-shadow-internet-a-censorship-free-communication-infrastructure >> >> Please create an account at this website, upvote and discuss our entry! >> We really could the funds for a few extra pair of hands
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 22:18:20
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-30 15:00:08
problem that needs fixing. For example, there was a time when personal computers were truly personal. They ran applications that you acquired (or created) and used by and for yourself. You did not have to subscribe to them as services, and they did not require some company’s cloud
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-31 19:36:04
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 15:58:45
merged into a single program.   By instead splitting Web applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 15:18:15
merged into a single program.   By instead splitting Web applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-07 09:23:31
merged into a single program.   By instead splitting Web applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html Be well
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 21:02:50
with has been living there for 20 yrs and is very concerned about the privacy implications of accessing the internet. He wants originally to create a local web and then enable internet access in a controlled fashion. - Is afraid of people uploading objectionable content which may pose a threat
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 19:12:17
open peer-based corporation... > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages/6908 > > The take home from my brief skim is that the forces of capitalism > creating revenue flow are what won it for centralization. Open stuff > is only used tactically (e.g. Google/Apple using the web to beat > Microsoft
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 17:46:44
might already have heard of it. There is a new project called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a distributed and secure P2P network which allows for messaging and data storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many platforms
Johan Pouwelse [LibreList] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 15:43:07
Knight Foundation and spend it on the good cause. However we need your help to get it. Our entry: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/the-shadow-internet-a-censorship-free-communication-infrastructure Please create an account at this website, upvote and discuss our entry! We really could the funds for a few extra pair of hands in the team. This
P S [LibreList] First Person Technologies 2014-03-29 17:32:15
problem that needs fixing. For example, there was a time when personal computers were truly personal. They ran applications that you acquired (or created) and used by and for yourself. You did not have to subscribe to them as services, and they did not require some company’s cloud
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 14:21:43
merged into a single program.   By instead splitting Web applications into multiple programs using Web Workers, we can disentangle the hard dependencies created by a shared memory-space. Users can then change components at runtime by loading new programs. Quick read, around 5 minutes. http://pfraze.github.io/2014/04/04/hosting-services-in-the-browser.html
Tic Nticsebastian [LibreList] (no subject) 2014-05-28 00:08:52
time, came out to be bigger than I ever thought it could be. I need help. A lot of help. I want to create a new social network based on the open-source movement, secure(encrypted) and a decentralized way of building out a new internet that we so much