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Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I absolutely agree. As I've designed ZeroTier One I've had an eye toward further decentralization, designing the protocol so that it will be achievable with as little pain as possible. I have a mental image of what it might look like /...\ running a public one, and then the server can be downloaded and self-administered for the super hard-core. I agree physical decentralization isn't important enough for most Web users to prioritize this early in the game, but we can make our way toward it incrementally /...\ Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: ZeroTier is a semi-decentralized system at the moment from a technical point of view. There's three reasons for that: (1) Sort of like the common optimization advice of "make it work, then make it fast," I'm pursuing a strategy of "make
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
absolutely agree. As I've designed ZeroTier One I've had an eye toward further decentralization, designing the protocol so that it will be achievable with as little pain as possible. I have a mental image of what it might look like, and the protocol is designed to enable /...\ running a public one, and then the server can be downloaded and self-administered for the super hard-core. I agree physical decentralization isn't important enough for most Web users to prioritize this early in the game, but we can make our way toward it incrementally /...\ Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: ZeroTier is a semi-decentralized system at the moment from a technical point of view. There's three reasons for that: (1) Sort of like the common optimization advice of "make it work, then make it fast," I'm pursuing a strategy of "make
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I absolutely agree. As I've designed ZeroTier One I've had an eye toward further decentralization, designing the protocol so that it will be achievable with as little pain as possible. I have a mental image of what it might look like /...\ running a public one, and then the server can be downloaded and self-administered for the super hard-core. I agree physical decentralization isn't important enough for most Web users to prioritize this early in the game, but we can make our way toward it incrementally /...\ Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: ZeroTier is a semi-decentralized system at the moment from a technical point of view. There's three reasons for that: (1) Sort of like the common optimization advice of "make it work, then make it fast," I'm pursuing a strategy of "make
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I absolutely agree. As I've designed ZeroTier One I've had an eye toward further decentralization, designing the protocol so that it will be achievable with as little pain as possible. I have a mental image of what it might look like /...\ running a public one, and then the server can be downloaded and self-administered for the super hard-core. I agree physical decentralization isn't important enough for most Web users to prioritize this early in the game, but we can make our way toward it incrementally /...\ Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: ZeroTier is a semi-decentralized system at the moment from a technical point of view. There's three reasons for that: (1) Sort of like the common optimization advice of "make it work, then make it fast," I'm pursuing a strategy of "make
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
running a public one, and then the server can be downloaded and self-administered for the super hard-core. I agree physical decentralization isn't important enough for most Web users to prioritize this early in the game, but we can make our way toward it incrementally /...\ Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: ZeroTier is a semi-decentralized system at the moment from a technical point of view. There's three reasons for that: (1) Sort of like the common optimization advice of "make it work, then make it fast," I'm pursuing a strategy of "make /...\ work, then make it more decentralized." There seems to be an exponential difficulty curve re: *completely* decentralizing a protocol and that in turn comes from some fundamental constraints in information theory such as the CAP theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
ZeroTier is a semi-decentralized system at the moment from a technical point of view. There's three reasons for that: (1) Sort of like the common optimization advice of "make it work, then make it fast," I'm pursuing a strategy of "make it work, then make it more /...\ decentralized." There seems to be an exponential difficulty curve re: *completely* decentralizing a protocol and that in turn comes from some fundamental constraints in information theory such as the CAP theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without /...\ centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting supernodes in a decentralized manner, etc. (2) I do plan to have both an open source / free component
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
bottle for the sea : If anyone knows anyone at DG Connect, do not hesitate to send him my answers bellow (a kind of decentralized answer to a centralized survey :-) cheers, Benjamin ANDRE - Cozy Cloud CEO - +33 686 253 666   HTTPS://EC.EUROPA.EU/EUSURVEY/RUNNER/NEXTGEN-INTERNET /...\ View towards 2025 and beyond How do you think the internet will look like in 2025 and beyond? Key words : Decentralized, User centric, Personal Cloud, PIMS, Cryptography, Blockchain like (decentralization of trusted third parties), Big data in peer 2 peer Vision : (in very few words, I have been notified /...\ this consultation the very last day of this survey...) is that decentralized ecosystems will emerge. Exactly as in 70's the rise of personal computers was impossible from the institutions point of view. IBM sold the MSDOS license to Bill Gate and in 1977 the CEO of DEC said
Thomas Levine [GG] Distributed Dance Party update 2018-06-18 23:34:00
DECENTRALIZATION IS LIFE   Wow.       Almost a year since the last mailing list update!       It's been an incredibly hectic 11 months and sadly there's no time do it   all justice right /...\ 5f64bd4a-e6eb-4f88-a5a4-2b535be19edd]       Anyhow, very briefly, within the past year, "Conscious Decentralization"   has become a legitimate technocultural movement, which has been extremely   exciting!       We've been doing our best to position ourselves /...\ QUICK RECAP:   The DDP at D10e / Startup Societies Summit and CryptoPsychedelic cruise   were next-level, then came Camp Decentral at Burning Man, a spiritual   pilgrimage to Bali, Ethereal Summit and CryptoConsciousness in SF, the   discovery of the coolest place on earth, CryptoPsychedelic
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Types of decentralization 2014-01-14 10:25:17
been doing a bit of thinking about what "decentralization" means, and JC's post about antifragility (IMHO a related concept) has prodded me into sharing a few thoughts. I think there are three types of decentralization. They're not mutually exclusive, but in every case there are systems /...\ that are one but not the others. (1) Political decentralization A politically decentralized system is one that is managed by a diverse set of individuals. (2) Functional decentralization A functionally decentralized (networked) system is one that permits its parts to communicate directly without involving a third party translator or intermediary /...\ Physical decentralization A physically decentralized system is one that is distributed and robust from a physical point of view. Its parts can be split, moved around geographically, parts can fail without impacting the whole (too badly), etc. Here are some examples: (1) Wikipedia would be an example of a system
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-24 22:15:06
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] London panelist? 2014-04-25 08:01:11
Telehash is exactly the decentralized networking category :) We're right in the middle if supporting transparent mesh connectivity over BLE and 802.15.4 as well... I'll see if there's anyone in our community that might be able to join, wish I was in the area, sounds super interesting /...\ this project, here's a quick summary: "Ethereum is a platform that makes it possible for any developer to write and distribute next-generation decentralized applications. Borrowing the concept of distributed consensus and cryptographic proof that makes cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin so effective in trustless payments, Ethereum extends /...\ resistant foundation." Potential use cases at  https://medium.com/p/4790bf5f7743 Recently our CTO wrote this very interesting article on a potential 'web 3.0', a decentralized web: http://insightsintoamodernworld.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/apps-what-web-30-looks-like.html   This gives us a 'holy trinit y' of decentralized logic, decentralized storage and decentralize network. I'm currently forming
Stephan Tual [LibreList] London panelist? 2014-04-25 14:50:43
this project, here's a quick summary: "Ethereum is a platform that makes it possible for any developer to write and distribute next-generation decentralized applications. Borrowing the concept of distributed consensus and cryptographic proof that makes cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin so effective in trustless payments, Ethereum extends /...\ resistant foundation." Potential use cases at  https://medium.com/p/4790bf5f7743 Recently our CTO wrote this very interesting article on a potential 'web 3.0', a decentralized web: http://insightsintoamodernworld.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/apps-what-web-30-looks-like.html  This gives us a 'holy trinity' of decentralized logic, decentralized storage and decentralize network. I'm currently forming a panel /...\ London, format will be approx 1.30h during the evening in a 150 head venue. I of course have a representative for decentralized logic (ethereum), decentralized storage (maidsafe kindly agreed to join us) but unfortunately no one from a network point of view :(  Can anyone put me in touch
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 14:38:21
Odinn, I'm not a huge fan of projecting p2p or decentralization as a way to subvert laws. For one, it's a dangerously inaccurate. For two, it's not what I'm here for. None of the software you mention even addresses net neutrality. You use "censorship" very vaguely /...\ picture.  But rather than harp about any one company (or licensing approach, or ruling, etc) I want to emphasize decentralized systems beyond what many are accustomed to hearing about / using. When people hear "open source" or "p2p" they might think of Ubuntu, or Android (regarding open source /...\ talking to people I know around my (rather small) town. But how often do you hear people talking about what is needed to literally Decentralize Everything? Well, except for posts occasionally on lists like these, or meetings / discussions with like-minded people, or hackerspaces, or development discussions, the answer
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 11:05:11
mailto:redecentralize@librelist.com] On Behalf Of holger krekel Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:49 AM To: redecentralize@librelist.com Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 07:43 -0400, Robert Tischer wrote: > Redecentralizers: > > > > Please check /...\ decentralized dev and runtime platform called > Hiveware at www.hiveware.com which stands for Hyperstructured > Interactive Virtual Environment softWare. I have been working on it > for many years. I expect to launch the engine by the end of the year > called the Hiveware Big Bang. See the prototype /...\ Hiveware for Word video) > > > > I am looking for C++ entrepreneurs who would like to build > decentralized apps on top of it. Just think of some topic area you > love to do, then think of an app you would build (or adapt or > interface
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
crypto currency, and does not use a proof of work scheme. I get the feeling that cryptocurrencies are used as some sort of decentralization hammer. Don't get me wrong, bitcoin is a brilliant design, but the assurances it gives you (total ordering & consistency) are just not necessary /...\ Paul Frazee <pfrazee@gmail.com> wrote: > Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- > > The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it involves > distributing authority. > > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth in > wide use right /...\ also thought your >> "I want to believe" post was brilliant, >> but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply >> having addressability is not sufficient to address. >> >> Security. >> >> Building truly p2p systems must
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
does not use a proof of work scheme. I get the feeling that >> cryptocurrencies >> are used as some sort of decentralization hammer. Don't get me wrong, >> bitcoin is a brilliant design, but the assurances it gives you (total >> ordering & consistency /...\ Paul Frazee <pfrazee@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- >> > >> > The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it >> > involves >> > distributing authority. >> > >> > For instance, we need /...\ want to believe" post was brilliant, >> >> but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply >> >> having addressability is not sufficient to address. >> >> >> >> Security
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 12:49:04
Robert Tischer wrote: > Redecentralizers: > > > > Please check out my decentralized dev and runtime platform called Hiveware > at www.hiveware.com which stands for Hyperstructured Interactive Virtual > Environment softWare. I have been working on it for many years. I expect to > launch the engine /...\ Hiveware' > to see a Hiveware for Word video) > > > > I am looking for C++ entrepreneurs who would like to build decentralized > apps on top of it. Just think of some topic area you love to do, then think > of an app you would build /...\ developer myself, i am critical but not fundamentally opposed to "open read-only source". What is your reasoning behind it? IMO technical decentralization needs to be accompanied by decentralized, collective forms of ownership as long as ownership is a determining category in our societies. Otherwise Google, Twitter
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 13:59:28
Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for decentralization.   Don't understand that remark.  So far I've been under the impression that it's not hard to decentralize identity per se.  (Use a canonical hash proofing some interesting property. The property could be simply /...\ better a certificate proofing additional information together with the key.) What's hard to decentralize would be human-meaningful names to those identities. Or did you address something else by "identity"? Sorry-- I've been writing quickly. "Identity" as in authentication, of who you are, and what /...\ distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures as well, This would be the easy part. Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for decentralization. Don't understand that remark.  So far I've been under the impression that it's not hard to decentralize identity
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:53:52
schrieb Paul Frazee:   Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for decentralization.   Don't understand that remark.  So far I've been under the impression that it's not hard to decentralize identity per se.  (Use a canonical hash proofing some interesting property. The property could /...\ simply a key or better a certificate proofing additional information together with the key.) What's hard to decentralize would be human-meaningful names to those identities. Or did you address something else by "identity"? Sorry-- I've been writing quickly. "Identity" as in authentication /...\ distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures as well, This would be the easy part. Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for decentralization. Don't understand that remark.  So far I've been under the impression that it's not hard to decentralize identity
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:14:11
picture. But rather than harp about any one company (or licensing approach, or ruling, etc) I want to emphasize decentralized systems beyond what many are accustomed to hearing about / using. When people hear "open source" or "p2p" they might think of Ubuntu, or Android (regarding open /...\ talking to people I know around my (rather small) town. But how often do you hear people talking about what is needed to literally Decentralize Everything? Well, except for posts occasionally on lists like these, or meetings / discussions with like-minded people, or hackerspaces, or development discussions, the answer /...\ rely upon laws, at least in my view. But it also made me think some more about this and realize that if we want decentralized protocols / solutions to spread at all, we have to do a way better job at being good advocates for them and talking about them incessantly
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
crypto currency, and does not use a proof of work scheme. I get the feeling that cryptocurrencies are used as some sort of decentralization hammer. Don't get me wrong, bitcoin is a brilliant design, but the assurances it gives you (total ordering & consistency) are just not necessary /...\ Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: > Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- > > The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it involves > distributing authority. > > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth in > wide use right /...\ ZeroTierOne, and also thought your >> "I want to believe" post was brilliant, >> but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply >> having addressability is not sufficient to address. >> >> Security. >> >> Building truly p2p systems must
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:35:23
agree here too. There’s certainly other issues at work. But there’s a world of difference between a network where decentralization is easy and one where it’s almost prohibitively hard. The former might contain lots of market niches for centralized products, services, and trust chains /...\ latter all but *prohibits* decentralized approaches to anything. For decentralized networks, non-local firewalls and *especially* NAT present a “DENY ALL” rule that requires thousands of hours of “black art” engineering to overcome. -Adam > Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization /...\ polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to > build new services (GOTO 1) > > IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology > and the raw IP protocol. However I do agree with you, Adam, that NATs > are making it even harder
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:52:55
join > or find out more? How do you steer the evolution of such a system? Sure, those are problems too. Decentralization is a multifaceted problem: technical, political, business, social, ... But it’s not like someone’s shipped a decentralized Twitter that is equivalently fast, easy /...\ clear to me how one would build such a thing. Keep in mind too that some of the profitability problems of decentralization are mitigated by the cost savings. A decentralized network costs orders of magnitude less to run. You don’t need data centers that consume hundreds of megawatts /...\ sure. Nobody’s tried it at scale, and I strongly suspect the reason to be technical. The bottom line is kind of this: Decentralization and the devolution of power are something that lots of people want, and they’re something human beings have been trying to achieve
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it involves distributing authority. For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth in wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only works well for organizations, the user-identities have to live /...\ when I first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your "I want to believe" post was brilliant, but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply having addressability is not sufficient to address. Security. Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular distributed systems problems, but also /...\ theyfdo not do as you wish you fire them etc. Now - if you want to build a true p2p system, a decentralized system - that depends on people freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse your protocol, or try to trick or deny service to other
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 08:45:25
look like one system are HARD and you have to deal with CAP. <br> <br> The developers trying to make decentralized public communication systems have a huge hill to climb and they need resources that corporations are simply not interested in providing. I really feel /...\ heard ZeroTier One got some seed funding. This is great! However, I suspect it would not have been possible if Adam build a completely decentralized system. Since he has some control points, it appears some capitalist thinks there is an upside. I am all for taking money out of capitalists /...\ means more decentralized systems get investment like ZeroTier. And I hope Adam reads my blog post about the dangers he faces ahead. He will have an uphill battle in keeping it decentralized and in the communities control.<br> <br> And your question about market forces
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
question, since the network being intervened with may be compromised. It reminds me of Godel's incompleteness theorem. To intervene on behalf of a decentralized network requires that the conversation be taken somewhere *outside* that network. We see this with Bitcoin's response to GHASH.IO temporarily getting 51%. The response /...\ chain. This also makes me think more and more about hybrid systems where you've got multiple types of systems -- including both centralized and decentralized -- that back each other to create an "antifragile" network. > The Bitcoin network solves the trust problem by essentially trusting itself. If someone successfully mounted /...\ machines it is also non-computable for humans. > One idea I've had is a hybrid system combining a centralized database and a decentralized DHT. Both are available and they back each other. The central database can take over if the decentralized DHT comes under attack and the decentralized
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
ZeroTierOne, and also thought your > "I want to believe" post was brilliant, > but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply > having addressability is not sufficient to address. > > Security. > > Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular /...\ ensured by a legal system") is a virtual property (as in "being an attribute not having a physical component"). To decentralize therefore needs (among other things) a) a component to model a legal system and b) use (a) to model property c) make sure that /...\ machine-supported "proof" as applicable to humans for moral reasons.) > Now - if you want to build a true p2p system, a decentralized system - > that depends on people > freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse > your protocol
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 15:58:16
while: http://adamierymenko.com/decentralization-i-want-to-believe/ Adam, your blog post interested me a lot. Best of luck with your efforts. One quibbly question: >efficiency, security, decentralization, pick two.  Assuming certain sorts of threats, decentralization contributes a lot to security. In those circumstances, your trichotomy devolves to a dichotomy /...\ efficiency or security, pick one."  You're absolutely correct there. Decentralized systems are more robust against censorship, most naive denial of service attacks, and the failure of critical systems. What they usually don't offer is a good user experience and high performance the other 99% of the time /...\ when everything is working well. A decentralized network under attack will be more robust, but a centralized network *not* under attack will be faster, more consistent/reliable, easier to reach, consume less resources at the edge (important for mobile), and generally be easier to use... at least according to any known
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
trust while being sure these peers are not defecting. > > I think the problem is trying to compute trust algorithmically. In a completely decentralized network the information necessary to do that is not intrinsically available so you have to bootstrap trust in some other way. > > Everybody trusting /...\ Yeah, I think doing trust better is a must. Btw... Some folks responded to my post lamenting that I had given up on decentralization. That's not true at all. I am just doing two things. One is trying to spin the problem around and conceptualize it differently. The other /...\ working. You can have your cake and eat it too. It's easy. Just make two cakes. Make a centralized cake and a decentralized cake. > I tend to think that Bitcoin is going to crash and burn. It has all the makings of a bubble. It's inherently deflationary
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
still give the attackers a certificate with your name. > Btw... Some folks responded to my post lamenting that I had given up on decentralization. That's not true at all. I am just doing two things. One is trying to spin the problem around and conceptualize it differently /...\ problem... Which is part of why I like it. :) It's definitely a fun problem. Part of it is to pin down just what "decentralization" is supposed to mean. If you start with the ideologically pure definition where each node is required to be totally uniform you end up banging /...\ nodes that run on AC power and have cheap wired connections. So once you admit the possibility of building a network which is both decentralized and asymmetrical it becomes an optimization problem. How close to the platonic ideal can you get without overly compromising efficiency or availability
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 14:41:22
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 13:51:28
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
wrote: > Oh sure, that would work. > > What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization. But suppose /...\ invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to build new services (GOTO 1) IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology and the raw IP protocol. However I do agree with you, Adam, that NATs are making it even harder to grow sustained /...\ decentralized deployments of software and services. But we also need to consider monetization or economical sustainability, easy software distribution and well evolved forms of collective deployments of software. best, holger > > Take Twitter for example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples’ tweets. It does
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 14:44:40
first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your "I want to believe" post was brilliant, but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply having addressability is not sufficient to address. Security. Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular distributed systems problems, but also /...\ theyfdo not do as you wish you fire them etc. Now - if you want to build a true p2p system, a decentralized system - that depends on people freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse your protocol, or try to trick or deny service to other /...\ Adam Ierymenko <adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com> wrote: > Thought of another point about this… > > Decentralization doesn’t necessarily imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. > > That being said, I think the current network deployment
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:08:18
when I first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your "I want to believe" post was brilliant, but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply having addressability is not sufficient to address. Security. Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular distributed systems problems, but also /...\ theyfdo not do as you wish you fire them etc. Now - if you want to build a true p2p system, a decentralized system - that depends on people freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse your protocol, or try to trick or deny service to other /...\ Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: > Thought of another point about this… > > Decentralization doesn’t necessarily imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. > > That being said, I think
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 13:20:45
sure, that would work. >> >> What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. > Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization /...\ developers for a couple of years… and still eventually starve for being not profitable. > IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology > and the raw IP protocol. However I do agree with you, Adam, that NATs > are making it even harder /...\ grow sustained decentralized deployments of > software and services. But we also need to consider monetization or > economical sustainability Can't agree more. > well evolved forms of collective deployments of software. That's an oxymoron. Developers will never allow collective deployments of software to evolve. They rather reinvent
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
here and it was at the heart of my post. We need to figure out a way for society to spend resources on decentralized and p2p technologies over centralized ones. People need to pay for this stuff because there is no other way for it to get better /...\ propose we solve this issue is supporting the idea of basic income. I really do believe more people would spend more time working on decentralized systems if they didn't have to worry about money. I also think you will have a more rich society as you described through /...\ pathologies like the surveillance-driven centralized silo Internet. We all get poorer. Seems at least analogous to me. If we all paid for decentralized systems, we’d get richer — both in terms of freedom and privacy and in terms of opportunities for new technology businesses
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-07 21:31:57
explore projects that are or can become big enough to change the status quo. Figure out what it will take to get decentralized apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas of what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers /...\ been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the >> evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of >> decentralization. >> >> My hope is to get a group of people who can meet every couple of weeks >> online to plan
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 20:23:47
compute trust while being sure these peers are not defecting. I think the problem is trying to compute trust algorithmically. In a completely decentralized network the information necessary to do that is not intrinsically available so you have to bootstrap trust in some other way. Everybody trusting some root authority /...\ This also makes me think more and more about hybrid systems where you've got multiple types of systems -- including both centralized and decentralized -- that back each other to create an "antifragile" network. That definitely seems like the way to go. Homogenous systems are inherently fragile because any attack that /...\ identical idea except in your model the centralized node(s) are the defaults and the DHT is fallback. Part of the idea is to decentralize the centralized nodes. Then there are big nodes trusted by large numbers of people but there is no "root" which is trusted by everybody
Bastien Guerry [LibreList] FLOSS4P2P: Call for Participation 2015-02-18 10:28:26
organization, with a focus on distributed platforms. Scholarships to attend are offered to grassroots communities. ** Context ** We know that the Internet was originally decentralized, with protocols and services built by hackers. However, with the arrival of the celebrated Web 2.0, centralization and corporations proprietary platforms seem to have taken over /...\ years, it has become clear to many that it is not enough to develop free/libre/open source (FLOSS) alternatives, but we also need to re-decentralize the Internet. Many initiatives are being undertaken under this premise (e.g. Ethereum, Diaspora, OwnCloud, MediaGoblin, Sandstorm). These new software tools may also be useful /...\ boost CBPP communities further. In this workshop, we will gather those working around the decentralized FLOSS that could help CBPP/P2P communities. Hackers, academics, activists and interested stakeholders are welcome. **When** March 16-17th 2015 **Where** Fab Lab London http://fablablondon.org **Call for Proposals** We welcome proposals for: Lightning talks
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 18:29:36
more succinctly :) http://xkcd.com/605/   > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:12:17 -0600 > From: jeremie.miller@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group > To: redecent ralize@librelist.com > > I was (am) on that list, my best take on what happened was none of that tech /...\ problems better than centralizing did :/ > > I believe that's changing though and the next generation of challenges will be better served by decentralized solutions. > > Jer > > > On Dec 30, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote /...\ dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. > >> > >> 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization: > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages > > > > -- > > Do *you* have an awesome idea you never quite manage
Francis Irving [LibreList] DataCoin 2013-12-25 00:29:40
DataCoin is a decentralized storage system, keeping the data in a blockchain. You pay for storage using the underlying coins of its system. http://datacoin.info/index.php?id=index https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6961308 It's kind of cute that it only can store 513Gb per year. Has to have some other personal chains hanging /...\ more storage: 10. People really need to store more than 513Gb of data per year in decentralized storage. Do you have any plans to increase storage space? Datacoin is a root storage engine in the decentralized storage service. This storage is both reliable and expensive. I'm now working
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 14:13:39
distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures as well, This would be the easy part. Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for decentralization. Don't understand that remark.  So far I've been under the impression that it's not hard to decentralize identity /...\ interesting property. The property could be simply a key or better a certificate proofing additional information together with the key.) What's hard to decentralize would be human-meaningful names to those identities. Or did you address something else by "identity"? Thanks
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 14:29:11
explore projects that are or can become big enough to change the status quo. Figure out what it will take to get decentralized apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas o f what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love /...\ been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the >> evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of >> decentralization. >> >> My hope is to get a group of people who can meet every couple of weeks >> online to plan
Janislav Malahov [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 11:23:03
explore projects that are or can become big enough to change the status quo. Figure out what it will take to get decentralized apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas of what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers /...\ been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the >> evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of >> decentralization. >> >> My hope is to get a group of people who can meet every couple of weeks >> online to plan
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-09 00:40:42
interview would be really great. Especially because in our slide deck I explain to investors that there is a huge trend around decentralization, and I give the reference of  redecentralize.org : it would be nice for us to be present on your site :-) It will be a good opportunity /...\ Benjamin ANDRE < ben@cozycloud.cc > wrote: Hello to the mailing list of re-decentralize. I am currently writing a white paper for the french government about decentralization. They requested the advice of the "National Commission for the Digital Society" about the neutrality of "platforms" (=Google, Facebook, Apple
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-09 11:33:06
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-01 21:02:50
Adam, Great post!  About 75% of the way through, my mindset shifted from, "I am disappointed that he has given up on decentralization" to " zero-knowledge centralization  is a fucking fantastic idea." 0. Suppose I'm trying to, say, send an IM over a maximally-decentralized /...\ write something up. Thanks for jump-starting this conversation (thread), whose core focus is so critical to the future of (maximally-)decentralized systems. --Steve On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I just started a personal blog, and my first post includes
juh [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 22:25:00
There is not only a list of reasons why services gets centralized but also a list of questions what decentralize service to use instead. I think it would be futile to consent about a decentralize service only on this list. I think all of us would like /...\ Retroshare. I tried it but I never felt comfortable to add unknown friends to my network so that I was isolated. Using Retroshare for Decentralize would be a good kickstart to join the network and really use it for a reason
Mikko Kotila [GG] Re: Which decentralized products _would_ you use day to day if they existed? Why? 2016-09-10 22:50:00
think "critical" things like code repos would benefit most from being decentralized, so I guess something like git but completely decentralized. Websites is the bulk of the internet, so it would be very interesting to see more on decentralized self-publishing platforms. For personal use, cross-platform secure/private/anon messaging
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] who will be going to FLOSS4P2P? 2015-03-08 09:57:59
Hello, Cozy Cloud will be there, I hope we will present with some other decentralized projects an initiative to make our projects interoperable. We think that the decentralized tools will fail if they don't interoperate together. Without this interoperability, the basic user will stay with Google, Dropbox
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 19:12:17
solved real problems better than centralizing did :/ I believe that's changing though and the next generation of challenges will be better served by decentralized solutions. Jer > On Dec 30, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Francis Irving <francis@flourish.org> wrote: > > This archive is pretty amazing /...\ seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. >> >> 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages > > -- > Do *you* have an awesome idea you never quite manage to do? > http://www.awesomefoundation.org
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:39:30
that's what I'm asking about here. 3) That said, here's getting to what I intended to emphasize: The process of decentralization needs to be everywhere. It needs to be easier. Things that are here and there need to be made available in commonly available places and made /...\ Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Hi Odinn, >> >> I'm not a huge fan of projecting p2p or decentralization as a way to >> subvert laws. For one, it's a dangerously inaccurate. For two, it's not >> what
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
trouble is there could be realistic DoS attacks within the capabilities of various notorious internet trolls which are legitimately hard to defend against. > Decentralization and the devolution of power are something that lots of people want, and they’re something human beings have been trying /...\ never works. For all the failings of free market capitalism, it's clearly better than a centrally planned economy. The thing about functioning decentralized and federated systems is that they often work so well they become invisible. Nobody notices the *absence* of a middle man. And it seems like
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 19:48:09
used tactically (e.g. Google/Apple using the web to beat Microsoft). That doesn't sound like a bad thing at all. We want an open, decentralized web because it's useful for the greatest number -- any corporation which is able to take a long term view (and Google has traditionally been /...\ haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. > > 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization: > >     http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages > > > -- Do *you* have an awesome idea you never quite manage
Francis Irving [LibreList] Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 20:07:43
going to do a session on decentralized file sync/backup tools. Get everyone's recommendations in groups with postit notes, and collectively file bugs and improve documentation.    What tools do people use day to day for sync/backup? What problems stop you using any such tool and mean you fall /...\ there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help.   One of my main interests
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 01:52:00
great blog post! Your deadline is the end of the holidays - so say January 2nd? Audience is 1) power users* interested in changing to decentralized solutions, 2) in so doing, any developers / product designers reading to learn pain points big and small that need addressing. Markdown please (that's right /...\ centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and > > experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. > > > > Danny Knestaut > > on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a > > on Bitmessage at: BM-NBpoGQiAfM2NzHgQoCUY7snwDQ9C6L2A > > > -- Do *you* have
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 19:16:39
that's what I'm asking about here. 3) That said, here's getting to what I intended to emphasize: The process of decentralization needs to be everywhere. It needs to be easier. Things that are here and there need to be made available in commonly available places and made /...\ Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Hi Odinn, >> >> I'm not a huge fan of projecting p2p or decentralization as a way to >> subvert laws. For one, it's a dangerously inaccurate. For two, it's not >> what
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:50:40
that's what I'm asking about here. 3) That said, here's getting to what I intended to emphasize: The process of decentralization needs to be everywhere. It needs to be easier. Things that are here and there need to be made available in commonly available places and made /...\ Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Hi Odinn, >> >> I'm not a huge fan of projecting p2p or decentralization as a way to >> subvert laws. For one, it's a dangerously inaccurate. For two, it's not >> what
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 16:27:31
that's what I'm asking about here. 3) That said, here's getting to what I intended to emphasize: The process of decentralization needs to be everywhere. It needs to be easier. Things that are here and there need to be made available in commonly available places and made /...\ Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Hi Odinn, >> >> I'm not a huge fan of projecting p2p or decentralization as a way to >> subvert laws. For one, it's a dangerously inaccurate. For two, it's not >> what
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:38:08
while: http://adamierymenko.com/decentralization-i-want-to-believe/ Adam, your blog post interested me a lot. Best of luck with your efforts. One quibbly question: >efficiency, security, decentralization, pick two.  Assuming certain sorts of threats, decentralization contributes a lot to security. In those circumstances, your trichotomy devolves
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Decentralization and antifragility 2014-01-14 10:16:12
post to this list, so please allow me to introduce > myself. My name is JC Brand. I'm a big proponent of > decentralization and my personal contribution is in the form of > Converse.js (http://conversejs.org). It's an XMPP based webchat > client (similar to GTalk /...\ with single-session support). > > I've just finished a blogpost on the topic of "Antifragile Software > Ecosystems" and how decentralization aids in achieving this: > > https://opkode.com/blog/2014/01/14/antifragile-software-ecosystems > > I'd appreciate you guys and gals reading it and sharing your ideas
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Hello ! 2013-12-08 22:26:36
Hello to the mailing list of re-decentralize. I am currently writing a white paper for the french government about decentralization. They requested the advice of the "National Commission for the Digital Society" about the neutrality of "platforms" (=Google, Facebook, Apple ...). So I am preparing arguments explaining that "personal cloud
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-11 11:25:00
think that it is thanks to my bottle at the sea of yesterday evening. I see here the proof of the power of decentralized logics ;-) I don't know if my answer can help, but for sure not telling anything will not move the lines ! Cheers, -- Benjamin ANDRE - Cozy Cloud /...\ bottle for the sea : If anyone knows anyone at DG Connect, do not hesitate to send him my answers bellow (a kind of decentralized answer to a centralized survey :-) Hi Benjamin, did you try the email on the bottom of the survey? "Please do not hesitate to submit any additional
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Decentralization and antifragility 2014-01-14 09:35:05
post to this list, so please allow me to introduce > myself. My name is JC Brand. I'm a big proponent of > decentralization and my personal contribution is in the form of > Converse.js ( http://conversejs.org ). It's an XMPP based webchat > client (similar to GTalk /...\ website (preferably with single-session support). > > I've just finished a blogpost on the topic of "Antifragile Software > Ecosystems" and how decentralization aids in achieving this: > > https://opkode.com/blog/2014/01/14/antifragile-software-ecosystems > > I'd appreciate you guys and gals reading it and sharing your ideas
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Decentralization and antifragility 2014-01-14 09:51:11
first post to this list, so please allow me to introduce myself. My > name is JC Brand. I'm a big proponent of decentralization and my personal > contribution is in the form of Converse.js (http://conversejs.org). It's an > XMPP based webchat client (similar to GTalk /...\ with single-session support). > > I've just finished a blogpost on the topic of "Antifragile Software Ecosystems" > and how decentralization aids in achieving this: > > https://opkode.com/blog/2014/01/14/antifragile-software-ecosystems > > I'd appreciate you guys and gals reading it and sharing your ideas
Tristan Nitot [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 15:33:59
commercial issue. Sharing, at least with everyone, is not complicated using the Web. It was actually built to publish... in a decentralized way. I agree that as humans, we're social animals. But what made us centralize stuff is mostly greed. There is nothing written in stone saying that /...\ social > interaction? > > Do we want to go back to the status quo ante? Do we want to make a > decentralized copy of the current centralized services? Or are we going > to make something completely different? > > I have no answers. But we should listen
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 08:59:48
trying to get free work (as in gratis) from your users, without letting them contribute changes to your software. How is that decentralized? Instead of decentralizing the process, you're simply changing the actors in control of the process. "open read-only source" is just a fancy word
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 11:31:17
schrieb Francis Irving: > Hello! > > News stuff sounds really interesting! > > I'm going to do a session on decentralized file sync/backup tools. Get > everyone's recommendations in groups with postit notes, and collectively > file bugs and improve documentation. > > What tools do people /...\ there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it > will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. > Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change > in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:31:53
pathologies like the surveillance-driven centralized silo Internet. We all get poorer. Seems at least analogous to me. If we all paid for decentralized systems, we’d get richer — both in terms of freedom and privacy and in terms of opportunities for new technology businesses /...\ computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 14:07:49
francis@flourish.org > wrote: Hello!    News stuff sounds really interesting!   I'm going to do a session on decentralized file sync/backup tools. Get everyone's recommendations in groups with postit notes, and collectively file bugs and improve documentation.    What tools /...\ there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help.   One of my main
Robert Tischer [LibreList] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 07:43:26
Redecentralizers:   Please check out my decentralized dev and runtime platform called Hiveware at www.hiveware.com which stands for Hyperstructured Interactive Virtual Environment softWare. I have been working on it for many years. I expect to launch the engine by the end of the year called the Hiveware Big Bang /...\ search under ‘Hiveware’ to see a Hiveware for Word video)   I am looking for C++ entrepreneurs who would like to build decentralized apps on top of it. Just think of some topic area you love to do, then think of an app you would build (or adapt
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:47:26
that's what I'm asking about here. 3) That said, here's getting to what I intended to emphasize: The process of decentralization needs to be everywhere. It needs to be easier. Things that are here and there need to be made available in commonly available places and made /...\ Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Hi Odinn, >> >> I'm not a huge fan of projecting p2p or decentralization as a way to >> subvert laws. For one, it's a dangerously inaccurate. For two, it's not >> what
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:00:02
that's what I'm asking about here. 3) That said, here's getting to what I intended to emphasize: The process of decentralization needs to be everywhere. It needs to be easier. Things that are here and there need to be made available in commonly available places and made /...\ Frazee <pfrazee@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Odinn, >> >> I'm not a huge fan of projecting p2p or decentralization as a way to >> subvert laws. For one, it's a dangerously inaccurate. For two, it's not >> what
frabcus [GG] Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 02:35:00
because I never found any products I actually could use day to day. Some time has passed, and there are plenty of new decentralized products I haven't looked at, and the ones I interviewed a year or two ago that have moved on a lot. Question /...\ what decentralized products do you actually use for real work or pleasure, regularly? Only one I'm using is Syncthing. And ironically I'm having to run a copy on my own personal server (i.e. a central server) to be sure all my clients (on phones and laptops
juh [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 23:20:00
Tarr: > Although I no one denies that it's usable, it seems you disagree with > it's creator about whether signal is decentralized > https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/ this is an interesting read. It says that innovation needs some kind of centralization, because of the pace of development /...\ users like to have a fast development which improves the UX from release to release. Decentralized protocols are blockers for an agile development of services. I am not experienced enough to judge whether this is true. But it fosters my idea that we must talk about control, not about software
frabcus [GG] Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-25 11:58:00
Hiya! We're launching a new service, to notify when a decentralized app becomes good enough to use. http://redecentralize.org/ It's super picky. There's only three apps in so far to get it going at launch.  Each is classed "Try", "Use" or "Share" as described /...\ directory page here. http://redecentralize.org/radar/ We'll add more, but only when they're usable enough! Would love feedback, and also ideas of decentralized apps you can *actually use* - not just prototypes, or platforms without apps, or things without installers on major platforms. Best wishes, Francis
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 17:36:48
pretty sure that we will deliver a useful tool ! At the moment we are woking hard on contacts, agenda and file synchronisation. Decentralization will happen, the advantages are too high. And the "side effects" of centralization are frightening (reduction of the offer & alternatives, walled garden & silos, privacy ...) Firefox /...\ about the various alternatives to centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. Danny Knestaut on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a on Bitmessage at: BM-NBpoGQiAfM2NzHgQoCUY7snwDQ9C6L2A
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:07:09
schrieb Paul Frazee: > Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- > > The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it > involves distributing authority. > > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth > in wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only /...\ work or some such. > or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases. Let's outright rejected that for not being decentralized. > Then, the messages that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, > so that Alice can rehost messages from Bob without possibly altering them
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-08 21:43:29
spark some debate. Ross On 8 Dec 2013, at 21:26, Benjamin ANDRE < ben@CozyCloud.CC > wrote: Hello to the mailing list of re-decentralize. I am currently writing a white paper for the french government about decentralization. They requested the advice of the "National Commission for the Digital Society
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:52:36
Thought of another point about this… Decentralization doesn’t necessarily imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem by massive /...\ place, it can’t right now because it is too technically challenging to deploy. > Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization. > But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-08 22:12:36
Benjamin ANDRE < ben@cozycloud.cc > wrote: Hello to the mailing list of re-decentralize. I am currently writing a white paper for the french government about decentralization. They requested the advice of the "National Commission for the Digital Society" about the neutrality of "platforms" (=Google, Facebook, Apple
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-09 00:08:01
spark some debate. Ross On 8 Dec 2013, at 21:26, Benjamin ANDRE < ben@CozyCloud.CC > wrote: Hello to the mailing list of re-decentralize. I am currently writing a white paper for the french governmen t about decentralization. They requested the advice of the "National Commission for the Digital
JC Brand [LibreList] Decentralization and antifragility 2014-01-14 19:57:20
first post to this list, so please allow me to introduce myself. My name is JC Brand. I'm a big proponent of decentralization and my personal contribution is in the form of Converse.js (http://conversejs.org). It's an XMPP based webchat client (similar to GTalk or facebook chat) that /...\ website (preferably with single-session support). I've just finished a blogpost on the topic of "Antifragile Software Ecosystems" and how decentralization aids in achieving this: https://opkode.com/blog/2014/01/14/antifragile-software-ecosystems I'd appreciate you guys and gals reading it and sharing your ideas on the topic. Thanks
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-27 23:24:13
need help. A lot of help. I want to create a new social network based on the open-source movement, secure(encrypted) and a decentralized way of building out a new internet that we so much need. Attached is  just a simple draft that I have. I noticed
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-28 00:20:46
need help. A lot of help. I want to create a new social network based on the open-source movement, secure(encrypted) and a decentralized way of building out a new internet that we so much need. Attached is  just a simple draft that I have. I noticed
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 08:29:42
schrieb Eric Mill: I'd go so far as to say being closed source completely rules it out from being part of the decentralized web. Agreed. Certainly, open source software that is hosted on a server can still be silently backdoored in some ways -- you can't generally verify that
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:35:02
schrieb Eric Mill: I'd go so far as to say being closed source completely rules it out from being part of the decentralized web. Agreed. Certainly, open source software that is hosted on a server can still be silently backdoored in some ways -- you can't generally verify that
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:17:33
schrieb Eric Mill: I'd go so far as to say being closed source completely rules it out from being part of the decentralized web. Agreed. Certainly, open source software that is hosted on a server can still be silently backdoored in some ways -- you can't generally verify that
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-04 10:32:38
schrieb Eric Mill: I'd go so far as to say being closed source completely rules it out from being part of the decentralized web. Agreed. Certainly, open source software that is hosted on a server can still be silently backdoored in some ways -- you can't generally verify that
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:31:11
while: http://adamierymenko.com/decentralization-i-want-to-believe/ In this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today. My situation: we wrote a p2p network for replicating state machines
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 14:21:03
question: … In this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:04:39
service providers > operating services like FB. Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what "decentralization" is at least partly about. Mobile makes efficiency *really* important. Anything that requires that a mobile device constantly sling packets is simply
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:06:56
question: … In this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 00:48:45
question: … In this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today. -- konklone.com | @konklone
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 12:31:45
central service providers > operating services like FB. Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what "decentralization" is at least partly about. Mobile makes efficiency * really * important. Anything that requires that a mobile device constantly sling packets is simply off the table
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 11:57:52
question: … In this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today. -- konklone.com | @konklone
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:04:36
works. For all the failings of free > market capitalism, it's clearly better than a centrally planned > economy. The thing about functioning decentralized and federated > systems is that they often work so well they become invisible. Nobody > notices the *absence* of a middle man. This
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-29 12:14:23
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote:   I wrote another post on my own views on decentralization... sort of a partial followup to the previous "I want to believe" one. I'm still working on a technical followup, but this is more of a theoretical one. http://adamierymenko.com/show-dont-tell-decentralization-can-be-this-easy/
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-29 19:55:53
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote:   I wrote another post on my own views on decentralization... sort of a partial followup to the previous "I want to believe" one. I'm still working on a technical followup, but this is more of a theoretical one. http://adamierymenko.com/show-dont-tell-decentralization-can-be-this-easy/
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-31 21:36:34
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote:   I wrote another post on my own views on decentralization... sort of a partial followup to the previous "I want to believe" one. I'm still working on a technical followup, but this is more of a theoretical one. http://adamierymenko.com/show-dont-tell-decentralization-can-be-this-easy/
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 11:07:42
sure, that would work. What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. Take Twitter for example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples’ tweets
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help.   One of my main interests
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 12:45:35
distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures as well, This would be the easy part. Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for decentralization. What you can do with SSB is publish and delete edges between the logs. This is basically like signing a certfile in PGP -- you're establishing
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 03:28:23
will be enough to implement "web 2.0" style "social" applications such as twitter. Maybe not as convenient as twitter, but decentralized, and ultimately more flexible. More flexible, because not having centralized control over the service means I will not be tempted to prevent other people building
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-09 11:30:40
enough to implement "web 2.0" style "social" > applications such as twitter. > Maybe not as convenient as twitter, but decentralized, and ultimately > more flexible. > More flexible, because not having centralized control over the service > means I will not be tempted
Christoph Witzany [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 09:48:17
what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of decentralization. My hope is to get a group of people who can meet every couple of weeks online to plan and move this forward. Thoughts, ideas
frabcus [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 07:24:00
administrators to investigate it, and failed. It's a salutary lesson in the level of quality, and ongoing maintenance / support the decentralized alternatives need to have to compete on user experience terms with the (ad funded, big tech co) centralized solutions! Francis
Brian Cloutier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 05:32:00
computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 07:06:39
/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 10:06:29
know what you think and any corrections I can make. > I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political > issues of > decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. > > Cheers
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 09:11:15
personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political >     issues of >     decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. > >     Cheers
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:21:49
computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 12:26:02
think and any corrections I can make. >> I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political >> issues of >> decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. >> >> Cheers! >> Max >> >> > -- Christian de Larrinaga
ken Code [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 10:02:22
what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of decentralization. My hope is to get a group of people who can meet every couple of weeks online to plan and move this forward. Thoughts, ideas
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 00:56:09
what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of decentralization. My hope is to get a group of people who can meet every couple of weeks online to plan and move this forward. Thoughts, ideas
will schiller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 12:42:29
what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of decentralization. My hope is to get a group of people who can meet every couple of weeks online to plan and move this forward. Thoughts, ideas
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-06 17:18:37
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 19:06:34
endpoints required by the ownCloud federation protocol. We also already produced an IETF internet-draft giving an overview of the steps involved in decentralized sharing: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dejong-decentralized-sharing-00 Current work within the group mainly focuses on using Cozy (or ownCloud) to select for instance a photo you want to share
Filipe Catraia [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-06 20:00:51
been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the >> evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of >> decentralization. >> >> My hope is to get a group of people who can meet every couple of weeks >> online to plan
juh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 09:13:41
models of our social interaction? Do we want to go back to the status quo ante? Do we want to make a decentralized copy of the current centralized services? Or are we going to make something completely different? I have no answers. But we should listen to our inner voice
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help. One of my main interests
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Search Tech Talk 2015-10-17 01:08:30
Hugh, searching the web is, at least in Europe, a very monopolistic matter. I think it is one important task to build (decentralized, if possible) alternatives to Google search et al. This could be a very interesting talk to listen to, in my opinion.  So, a +1 from
Bastien Guerry [LibreList] Hackadons 2015-10-17 15:09:56
participants so that they can give it back to projects contributing to the commons. Here is the manifesto : We fight for a (re)decentralized Internet. Redecentralizing Internet is a manyfold challenge: it is a technical, a legal and political one. But it is also a financial challenge. To many free
dominic.tarr [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 16:20:00
this seems like a good time to invite redecentralize to come kick the tires of patchwork: https://github.com/ssbc/patchwork It's a secure decentralized discussion platform, more like a social network than email, based on gossip replication. there are installers for osx and linux here https://github.com/ssbc/patchwork-electron/releases/tag/v2.7.0
vaxzine [GG] Re: Decentralized Web (SF) and Matrix Channel 2016-05-31 04:14:00
Christoph, I'll be at the Decentralized Web Summit in SF as well. See you there. ..also agree that the Matrix ecosystem is worth checking out. http://matrix.org http://vector.im +synapse \/\X http://wecantbestopped.com
dominic.tarr [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 11:52:00
Although I no one denies that it's usable, it seems you disagree with it's creator about whether signal is decentralized https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/ Prehaps you ment to say matrix
Thomas Levine [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 06:33:00
working on a maybe-decentralized email list software (ypotf). You can interview me if I finish it, or perhaps if I don't. I use a bunch of things that might count because they communicate substantially less with networks than contemporary services do. * nmh (previously mutt and offlineimap) * fossil * MHTML
anishmg [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 07:06:00
deployments I setup in rural places but still many things are centralized (name resolution, content serving, dhcp). Would love to make mesh networking truly decentralized
ben [GG] Re: Decentralized Web (SF) and Matrix Channel 2016-05-30 22:54:00
wish we had, we could have tried to go there. Next time ! => do not hesitate to share info about events around decentralization, I think this is important for the community to have opportunities to meet. Benjamin ANDRE - Cozy Cloud
juh [GG] Re: Which decentralized products _would_ you use day to day if they existed? Why? 2016-07-26 01:06:00
Personally, I would use Twitter if it were decentralized. And actually I use Twister. :-) But I think the tool itself is irrelevant. I want to be social, so I ask myself: Where are my friends? Where is my audience? If it is not a hoax even turkish army officers used
Peter Rushforth [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-08-03 10:24:00
software:  https://github.com/Maps4HTML  Pleased to discuss here or in issues or any of the linked resources. Good luck with re-decentralizing the Web and the Internet! Cheers, Peter
Peter Wang [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-10-25 01:29:00
these two projects. Overall, I feel that the tech community is starting to approach a point of coherence around the need and importance of decentralization, and as the Early Adopter crowd floods into this space which is currently only inhabited by Innovators, they will need high-quality curated resources
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-08 18:53:04
those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:     http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages -- konklone.com | @konklone
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 13:51:08
various alternatives to > centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and > experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. > > Danny Knestaut on diaspora* at: > https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a on Bitmessage at: > BM-NBpoGQiAfM2NzHgQoCUY7snwDQ9C6L2A > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 14:15:09
about the various alternatives to centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. Danny Knestaut on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a on Bitmessage at: BM-NBpoGQiAfM2NzHgQoCUY7snwDQ9C6L2A
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] on surveillance and decentralized crypto 2015-01-26 18:03:27
holger@merlinux.eu > wrote: Hi redecentralizers, I wrote down some current thoughts on the recent attack on end-to-end crypto, also known as decentralized encryption.  It's also meant as a contribution to a more meaningful and precise argument over surveillance. http://holgerkrekel.net/2015/01/24/thoughts-on-arguing-end-to-end-crypto best, holger (also happy
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 11:40:51
about the various alternatives to centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. Danny Knestaut on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a on Bitmessage at: BM-NBpoGQiAfM2NzHgQoCUY7snwDQ9C6L2A
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 15:34:56
centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and >>> experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. >>> >>> Danny Knestaut >>> on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a >>> on Bitmessage at: BM-NBpoGQiAfM2NzHgQoCUY7snwDQ9C6L2A
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-11 22:18:27
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-13 23:15:34
www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/the-mission-to-decentralize-the-internet.htmland > BBC > http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/pods - nice work, Irina!), I've added > a brief section to the Wikipedia page on decentralization. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralization#Centralization_and_redecentralization_of_the_Internet > > I'll try to update as there's more coverage, until the movement gathers > such unstoppable momentum
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-14 22:14:43
www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/the-mission-to-decentralize-the-internet.htmland > BBC > http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/pods - nice work, Irina!), I've added > a brief section to the Wikipedia page on decentralization. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralization#Centralization_and_redecentralization_of_the_Internet > > I'll try to update as there's more coverage, until the movement gathers > such unstoppable momentum
P S [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-08 19:10:50
those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:     http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages -- konklone.com | @konklone
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-08 19:16:49
those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:     http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 13:22:03
about the various alternatives to centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. Danny Knestaut on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a on Bitmessage at: BM-NBpoGQiAfM2NzHgQoCUY7snwDQ9C6L2A
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 10:16:04
about the various alternatives to centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. Danny Knestaut on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a on Bitmessage at: BM-NBpoGQiAfM2NzHgQoCUY7snwDQ9C6L2A
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-15 11:58:55
www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/the-mission-to-decentralize-the-internet.htmland > BBC > http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/pods - nice work, Irina!), I've added > a brief section to the Wikipedia page on decentralization. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralization#Centralization_and_redecentralization_of_the_Internet > > I'll try to update as there's more coverage, until the movement gathers > such unstoppable momentum
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] A blog post 2013-12-18 18:41:47
contribution of the community, I then would be happy to contribute ! The first idea that comes to my mind is a post about "Decentralization : which incentives for private companies to play the game ?" Another idea would be : "Strengths & dangers of personal data stores". Tell me if interested and when
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:42:22
necessarily central. But it's an open standard, pluggable compontent that can be used in lots of ways. If you have some other decentralized identification system, you can then use WebRTC on top of it somehow later. Francis On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 09:46:31PM -0600, Paul Frazee
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 19:00:50
schrieb Eric Mill <eric@konklone.com>: >> Hi, >> >> I'm here because I'm passionate about decentralized tech, and >> especially about usability and empowerment of the less tech-savvy >> among us. For example, I'm a big fan of Webfinger
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:45:20
necessarily central. But it's an open standard, pluggable compontent that can be used in lots of ways. If you have some other decentralized identification system, you can then use WebRTC on top of it somehow later. Francis On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 09:46:31PM -0600, Paul Frazee
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 13:36:12
haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. > > 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages > > > -- Do *you* have an awesome idea you never quite manage to do? http://www.awesomefoundation.org/en/chapters/liverpool/
Martin Dittus [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-31 02:34:28
problems better than centralizing did :/ > > I believe that's changing though and the next generation of challenges will be better served by decentralized solutions. What new challenges in particular do you have in mind
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 20:38:25
problems better than centralizing did :/ > > I believe that's changing though and the next generation of challenges will be better served by decentralized solutions. What new challenges in particular do you have in mind
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 01:16:33
here because I'm passionate about decentralized tech, and especially about usability and empowerment of the less tech-savvy among us. For example, I'm a big fan of Webfinger , and did Sinatra and Jekyll libraries for participating. I don't have a big relevant project going on right
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:34:23
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 23:56:09
schrieb Eric Mill <eric@konklone.com>: > Hi, > > I'm here because I'm passionate about decentralized tech, and > especially about usability and empowerment of the less tech-savvy > among us. For example, I'm a big fan of Webfinger, and did Sinatra > and Jekyll
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Anyone here from Washington, DC? 2014-01-02 18:55:59
They are DC area. On Jan 2, 2014 6:13 PM, "Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com > wrote: I'm tempted to start a decentralization meetup here in DC. Any other seeds in the audience? -- Eric -- konklone.com | @konklone
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Anyone here from Washington, DC? 2014-01-02 18:00:30
They are DC area. On Jan 2, 2014 6:13 PM, "Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com > wrote: I'm tempted to start a decentralization meetup here in DC. Any other seeds in the audience? -- Eric -- konklone.com | @konklone
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:58:22
schrieb Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com >: >> Hi, >> >> I'm here because I'm passionate about decentralized tech, and >> especially about usability and empowerment of the less tech-savvy >>  among us. For example
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Anyone here from Washington, DC? 2014-01-02 22:53:30
They are DC area. On Jan 2, 2014 6:13 PM, "Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com > wrote: I'm tempted to start a decentralization meetup here in DC. Any other seeds in the audience? -- Eric -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2015-09-07 08:47:29
internet connectivity, the server becomes a gateway. We have pilots in Haiti, India, Ghana, Nepal and a few other places :) The idea of a decentralized web is very central to our approach of doing things. Looking forward to some great conversation and (hopefully) brainstorming! Cheers, Anish P.S. To find
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-05 16:13:36
schrieb Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com >: >> Hi, >> >> I'm here because I'm passionate about decentralized tech, and >> especially about usability and empowerment of the less tech-savvy >>  among us. For example
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: Anyone here from Washington, DC? 2014-01-06 14:19:37
github.com/redecentralize/swarm/wiki/Washington,-DC,-USA On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com > wrote: I'm tempted to start a decentralization meetup here in DC. Any other seeds in the audience? -- Eric -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 21:12:46
still hasn't shipped.   http://www.w3.org/ECommerce/Micropayments/   Unlike the various startups that have tried to capture this territory, at least decentralized cryptocurrencies are a protocol, so once one reaches critical mass for micropayments it can truly take off...   Francis
Shannon Tyler Cunningham [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 04:32:00
does this need to be "scalable?" Why would it need major funders in the future? I don't think we can claim to desire decentralization while fitting ourselves to a top-down, rigid institutional framework and attempting to curry the money of NGOs and companies. I ask these questions
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 11:34:27
being closed source completely rules it out from being part of the decentralized web. Certainly, open source software that is hosted on a server can still be silently backdoored in some ways -- you can't generally verify that the server is running the same code that's in public source
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:41:34
Paul Frazee <pfrazee@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Odinn, > > I'm not a huge fan of projecting p2p or decentralization as a way to subvert laws. For one, it's a dangerously inaccurate. For two, it's not what I'm here for. I can agree with this
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-29 15:17:09
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote:   I wrote another post on my own views on decentralization... sort of a partial followup to the previous "I want to believe" one. I'm still working on a technical followup, but this is more of a theoretical one. http://adamierymenko.com/show-dont-tell-decentralization-can-be-this-easy/ (Apologies
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-06-06 16:04:20
need help. A lot of help. I want to create a new social network based on the open-source movement, secure(encrypted) and a decentralized way of building out a new internet that we so much need. Attached is  just a simple draft that I have. I noticed
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-31 11:09:09
decentralized! On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Wish I was in London... a tad far from Southern California. :) On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:17 AM, Ross Jones < ross@servercode.co.uk > wrote: Because we are organisationally-challenged, and because
Jonny Leroy [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-27 13:02:02
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 11:50:48
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:48:38
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. > > As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there
feross [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 17:25:00
user of patchwork, I will second what Dominic and Paul said. It's really quite an impressive decentralized social network
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:55:06
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. > > As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 15:20:26
geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass > > adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in > > decentralization projects. > > > > > > As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are > > quite interested
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 12:31:08
geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass > > adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in > > decentralization projects. > > > > > > As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are > > quite interested
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 10:00:04
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 19:33:08
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 13:21:29
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 22:46:58
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 17:53:18
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. >         > >         > As I describe
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-01 10:22:03
holger krekel [LibreList] any meeting point for tonight? 2015-10-16 08:18:38
there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help. > > One of my main
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want to build a new type of Collaborative Economy organizations, which are decentralized, democratic and economically sustainable . Would you like to join us? P2P Models , a 5-year 1.5M€ research project, is hiring : - a Project/Communication Manager - a Senior Blockchain Developer They will join an interdisciplinary team
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
redecentralize@librelist.com [mailto:redecentralize@librelist.com] On Behalf Of hellekin Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 12:07 PM To: redecentralize@librelist.com Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/02/2015 12:05 PM, Robert Tischer wrote: > > RT>"open
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 16:36:16
redecentralize@librelist.com [mailto:redecentralize@librelist.com] On Behalf Of hellekin Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 2:33 PM To: redecentralize@librelist.com Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/02/2015 02:49 PM, Robert Tischer wrote: > Robert, the fact
Louise Ishka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-03 08:38:06
schrieb Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com >: >> Hi, >> >> I'm here because I'm passionate about decentralized tech, and >> especially about usability and empowerment of the less tech-savvy >>  among us. For example, I'm a big fan of Webfinger
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] How can we strengthen the Internet for free expression and innovation? 2014-03-19 10:34:41
friends at http://eQualit.ie (the people behind https://deflect.ca too) have put out a proposal for a new kind of decentralized and distributed data hosting/communication system: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/lightweb-an-unbreakable-internet Take a look! Jacob Cook <jacob@peakwinter.net> https://peakwinter.net On 18/03/14 11:01 AM, Ross Jones wrote
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 14:52:13
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 09:56:05
sounding terms. Be well, Paul F On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Johan Pouwelse < peer2peer@gmail.com > wrote: Hi All, Re-decentralize takes a lot of effort and money. We're aiming to get a share of $2.75 million of funds being handed out by the Knight
Johan Pouwelse [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 18:36:20
Johan Pouwelse <peer2peer@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> Re-decentralize takes a lot of effort and money. >> >> We're aiming to get a share of $2.75 million of funds being handed out >> by the Knight Foundation and spend
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 13:41:47
Johan Pouwelse < peer2peer@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> Re-decentralize takes a lot of effort and money. >> >> We're aiming to get a share of $2.75 million of funds being handed out >> by the Knight Foundation and spend
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 22:18:20
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-30 15:00:08
pairspace@gmail.com > wrote: This language may be useful in the marketing of decentralization.  Trustable open clients can augment first-person human decisions based on untrusted, commercial third-party inputs. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2014/03/19/why-we-need-first-person-technologies-on-the-net/ --- There are social influences on how we use first person technologies, of course, just as there
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-31 19:36:04
P S [LibreList] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-08 18:51:32
those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:     http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages
Jonathan Deamer [LibreList] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-13 20:06:23
Yorker http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/the-mission-to-decentralize-the-internet.html and BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/pods - nice work, Irina!), I've added a brief section to the Wikipedia page on decentralization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralization#Centralization_and_redecentralization_of_the_Internet I'll try to update as there's more coverage, until the movement gathers such unstoppable momentum it needs to be broken
Eric Mill [LibreList] Anyone here from Washington, DC? 2014-01-02 18:12:02
tempted to start a decentralization meetup here in DC. Any other seeds in the audience? -- Eric -- konklone.com | @konklone
Francis Irving [LibreList] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-27 20:20:26
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Hello! 2015-09-02 22:02:28
internet connectivity, the server becomes a gateway. We have pilots in Haiti, India, Ghana, Nepal and a few other places :) The idea of a decentralized web is very central to our approach of doing things. Looking forward to some great conversation and (hopefully) brainstorming! Cheers, Anish P.S. To find
holger krekel [LibreList] on surveillance and decentralized crypto 2015-01-24 22:12:21
redecentralizers, I wrote down some current thoughts on the recent attack on end-to-end crypto, also known as decentralized encryption. It's also meant as a contribution to a more meaningful and precise argument over surveillance. http://holgerkrekel.net/2015/01/24/thoughts-on-arguing-end-to-end-crypto best, holger (also happy to chat during FOSDEM in Bruxelles
Johan Pouwelse [LibreList] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 15:43:07
decentralize takes a lot of effort and money. We're aiming to get a share of $2.75 million of funds being handed out by the Knight Foundation and spend it on the good cause. However we need your help to get it. Our entry: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/the-shadow-internet-a-censorship-free-communication-infrastructure Please create
P S [LibreList] First Person Technologies 2014-03-29 17:32:15
This language may be useful in the marketing of decentralization.  Trustable open clients can augment first-person human decisions based on untrusted, commercial third-party inputs. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2014/03/19/why-we-need-first-person-technologies-on-the-net/ --- There are social influences on how we use first person technologies, of course, just as there are social influences
mempko [LibreList] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-02 22:01:04
/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
Ross Jones [LibreList] Tracking interesting events/confs? 2014-05-15 08:36:30
born, but didn’t get very far with it. I guess my questions are: 1. Should we be making it easy to find Decentralization specific conferences/events/groups? Should it be part of the core purpose? 2. How should we implement it? (Pull Requests welcome). Ross
Tic Nticsebastian [LibreList] (no subject) 2014-05-28 00:08:52
need help. A lot of help. I want to create a new social network based on the open-source movement, secure(encrypted) and a decentralized way of building out a new internet that we so much need. Attached is  just a simple draft that I have. I noticed
Marc Laporte [LibreList] Tiki Suite - Server, Web, Desktop and Mobile suite 2014-06-26 21:53:55
concerted focus on greater interoperability, security and adaptability, which is aimed at small & medium-sized organizations. The Tiki Suite is especially suited to decentralized and knowledge-centric organizations and offers most (80%+) of the features all organizations need, such as: Email, Website & Blog, Shopping Cart, Intranet & Project
Bastien Guerry [LibreList] « Reclaiming the Internet » with distributed architectures: rights, technologies, practices, innovation 2014-08-13 19:24:38
symposium, which is of particular interest to this list: http://adam.hypotheses.org/1939 I'm cc'ing Samer, good friend of mine, and a re-decentralize guy too. Best, -- Bastien
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-29 10:01:03
wrote another post on my own views on decentralization... sort of a partial followup to the previous "I want to believe" one. I'm still working on a technical followup, but this is more of a theoretical one. http://adamierymenko.com/show-dont-tell-decentralization-can-be-this-easy/ (Apologies if this is a double post -- the previous
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] On 9 September "Decentralize.JS" at Betahaus Café, Berlin! 2014-09-01 08:02:39
doing it in Berlin, and we also broadened the topic a bit to basically any cool stuff related to web technology and decentralization. Hope to see you there! Cheers, Michiel
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Hello! 2013-12-08 18:21:21
about the various alternatives to centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. Danny Knestaut on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a on Bitmessage at: BM-NBpoGQiAfM2NzHgQoCUY7snwDQ9C6L2A
adam.ierymenko [GG] So centralized! 2016-04-04 15:38:00
seriously... I've been of the opinion for a while that there is absolutely no problem in using centralized systems to help build decentralized ones. If it speeds things up or improves your communication or whatever, use it. Every previous tech revolution used the present to build the future
Ira [LibreList] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 07:39:39
what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of decentralization. My hope is to get a group of people who can meet every couple of weeks online to plan and move this forward. Thoughts, ideas
Goffi [LibreList] Hello + Salut à Toi / Libervia 2015-08-22 18:15:14
were advised at FrOSCon to subscribe to this list and talk about our project, so here I am :) We work on a decentralized "social network" based on XMPP (XMPP is not only about instant messaging contrary to a popular belief). The good point about this is that
will.sch [LibreList] RDC 15 2015-10-15 13:25:28
there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone to learn and hear new ideas. Decentralization is a big opportunity to create positive societal change in many areas and that is the reason I volunteered to help. One of my main interests
frabcus [GG] London meetup next Wed eve 12th April: 2017-04-03 08:05:00
Hiya! We've two speakers at our London meetup next month: 1. Matthew Hodgson from Matrix.org and Riot.im talking about decentralized chat, encryption, and new methods of communication 2. Me, talking about Redecentralize Radar http://redecentralize.org/radar/ You can sign up here! https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/decentralised-apps-redecentralize-london-april-meetup-tickets-32951400526?aff=erelexpmlt Francis