reason for doing it is slightly different than
Adam's.<br>
<br>
Yes, it is HARD to get a
distributed systems to work, but only if
we try to treat them as a single system! Lots of
distributed
systems research is based on this notion
/...\ abandon this notion where it makes sense, then it becomes
much easier. Why are DHT hard? Because we want to
distribute a
hash table across machines and treat it like one! But then again,
do we need one hash table? And if we do, should it be
distributed /...\ propose we abandon the notion that a all
distributed system
should act like one system. Probably the only reason we think so
is because corporations really care about this notion. But a free
society?<br>
<br>
There are four modes of communication we do, public/anonymous,
private/anonymous
pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote:
> Adding some thoughts to Dominic's --
>
> The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it involves
>
distributing authority.
>
> For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only
distributed auth in
> wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only
/...\ live within the orgs. That's a centralizing effect
> that would still occur in an open IP/routing layer.
>
> After you've
distributed identities, you need to
distribute data-structures
> as well, or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases. Then, the messages
> that
/...\ sufficient to address.
>>
>> Security.
>>
>> Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular
distributed
>> systems problems,
>> but also the problem of incenting the participants in the network to
>> behave properly.
>> This is trivial
Adding some thoughts to Dominic's -- The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it involves
distributing authority. For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only
distributed auth in wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only works well for organizations, the user-identities have to live
/...\ within the orgs. That's a centralizing effect that would still occur in an open IP/routing layer.
After you've
distributed identities, you need to
distribute data-structures as well, or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases. Then, the messages that construct the datasets need
/...\ another challenge to decentralization that simply
having addressability is not sufficient to address.
Security.
Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular
distributed
systems problems,
but also the problem of incenting the participants in the network to
behave properly.
This is trivial if I own all the computers
pfrazee@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adding some thoughts to Dominic's --
>
> The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it involves
>
distributing authority.
>
> For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only
distributed auth in
> wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only
/...\ live within the orgs. That's a centralizing effect
> that would still occur in an open IP/routing layer.
>
> After you've
distributed identities, you need to
distribute data-structures
> as well, or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases. Then, the messages
> that
/...\ sufficient to address.
>>
>> Security.
>>
>> Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular
distributed
>> systems problems,
>> but also the problem of incenting the participants in the network to
>> behave properly.
>> This is trivial
challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it
>> > involves
>> >
distributing authority.
>> >
>> > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only
distributed auth
>> > in
>> > wide use right now is PKI. Since
/...\ effect
>> > that would still occur in an open IP/routing layer.
>> >
>> > After you've
distributed identities, you need to
distribute
>> > data-structures
>> > as well, or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases. Then
/...\ Security.
>> >>
>> >> Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular
distributed
>> >> systems problems,
>> >> but also the problem of incenting the participants in the network to
>> >> behave properly
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49 netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like
distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located
/...\ plan to have both an open source / free component and a commercial component. ZeroTier One supports the creation of arbitrary
distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private
distributed LANs. I plan to charge
/...\ users to create private
distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying for a reliable infrastructure that I manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47 netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like
distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located
/...\ plan to have both an open source / free component and a commercial component. ZeroTier One supports the creation of arbitrary
distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private
distributed LANs. I plan to charge
/...\ users to create private
distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying for a reliable infrastructure that I manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30 netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like
distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located
/...\ plan to have both an open source / free component and a commercial component. ZeroTier One supports the creation of arbitrary
distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private
distributed LANs. I plan to charge
/...\ users to create private
distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying for a reliable infrastructure that I manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41 netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like
distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located
/...\ plan to have both an open source / free component and a commercial component. ZeroTier One supports the creation of arbitrary
distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private
distributed LANs. I plan to charge
/...\ users to create private
distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying for a reliable infrastructure that I manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your
another challenge to decentralization that simply
having addressability is not sufficient to address.
Security.
Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular
distributed
systems problems,
but also the problem of incenting the participants in the network to
behave properly.
This is trivial if I own all the computers
/...\ prisons,
and a millitary to protect your property system from neibouring
property systems...
Given the property system, it's easy to build a
distributed system,
you just have a datacenter,
and you can hire people to run it, and build it and if theyfdo not do
as you wish
/...\ know where the other computers are, except very
approximately,
and you can't exactly send a computer to jail
There is the
distributed systems problems, but this is the easy part.
What if my blog post becomes insanely popular? will my laptop have to
serve terabytes of data?
what happens
simply
> having addressability is not sufficient to address.
>
> Security.
>
> Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular
distributed
> systems problems,
> but also the problem of incenting the participants in the network to
> behave properly.
> This is trivial
/...\ well aware that I'm skipping here a lot of issues, but that's what
it boils down to.
> There is the
distributed systems problems, but this is the easy part.
> What if my blog post becomes insanely popular? will my laptop have to
> serve terabytes
/...\ data?
> what happens while I am disconnected from wifi inbetween cafes?
> Obviously the answer is to
distribute the data - prehaps you can get
> my blog post from
> other people who have read it, not just from me. If a few hundred
> people from around
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13 plan to have both an open source / free component and a commercial component. ZeroTier One supports the creation of arbitrary
distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private
distributed LANs. I plan to charge
/...\ users to create private
distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying for a reliable infrastructure that I manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your
/...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and
distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29 plan to have both an open source / free component and a commercial component. ZeroTier One supports the creation of arbitrary
distributed LANs. There will be a few public wide-open ones that will be free for unlimited use, but you can also create private
distributed LANs. I plan to charge
/...\ users to create private
distributed LANs that are administrated by ZeroTier's own servers... basically you're paying for a reliable infrastructure that I manage and a nice web GUI to admin them. Nothing prevents you from running your own netconf-master but you'd have to create your
/...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and
distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
schrieb Paul Frazee:
> Adding some thoughts to Dominic's --
>
> The challenge to decentralizing the application layer is that it
> involves
distributing authority.
>
> For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only
distributed auth
> in wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only
/...\ make simple for the user. (I'm really short on good ideas
how to hide this from users.)
>
> After you've
distributed identities, you need to
distribute
> data-structures as well,
This would be the easy part. We just create the data structures at all
commissioned peers
another challenge to decentralization that simply
having addressability is not sufficient to address.
Security.
Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular
distributed
systems problems,
but also the problem of incenting the participants in the network to
behave properly.
This is trivial if I own all the computers
/...\ prisons,
and a millitary to protect your property system from neibouring
property systems...
Given the property system, it's easy to build a
distributed system,
you just have a datacenter,
and you can hire people to run it, and build it and if theyfdo not do
as you wish
/...\ know where the other computers are, except very
approximately,
and you can't exactly send a computer to jail
There is the
distributed systems problems, but this is the easy part.
What if my blog post becomes insanely popular? will my laptop have to
serve terabytes of data?
what happens
gmail any time. I could jump to any
number of applications and hosts.
That's how it works.
But we haven't nailed certfile-
distribution at scale yet,
so that's why I call it an unsolved problem. I think the
web-of-trust is inevitably what we'll need
/...\ fact. If there's been a keypair compromise, the
owner has to publish a revocation cert (you... did make a
revocation cert, right?) and
distribute it before too much
damage is done. For two (2) there's only one kind of
relationship in PGP's WoT, the "verified
/...\ establish trust"? (Though once I have that
agreement, reconciliation is relevant only for nodes which
missed the update itself.)
After you've
distributed identities, you need to
distribute data-structures as well,
This would be the easy part.
Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for
decentralization.
Don't understand
could jump between yahoo and gmail any time. I could jump to any number of applications and hosts. But we haven't nailed certfile-
distribution at scale yet, so that's why I call it an unsolved problem. I think the web-of-trust is inevitably what we'll need
/...\ fact. If there's been a keypair compromise, the owner has to publish a revocation cert (you... did make a revocation cert, right?) and
distribute it before too much damage is done. For two (2) there's only one kind of relationship in PGP's WoT, the "verified
/...\ establish trust"?Â
(Though once I have that agreement, reconciliation is relevant only
for nodes which missed the update itself.)
After you've
distributed identities, you need to
distribute data-structures as well,
This would be the easy part.
Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for
decentralization
Bastien Guerry [LibreList] FLOSS4P2P: Call for Participation 2015-02-18 10:28:26 London workshop in March, gathering FLOSS projects that are
building software for peer production and organization, with a focus
on
distributed platforms. Scholarships to attend are offered to
grassroots communities.
** Context **
We know that the Internet was originally decentralized, with protocols
and services built by hackers. However, with the arrival
/...\ Social: communication
e.g. social-networking, microblogging, reworked email
Social: collaboration
e.g. wikis, pads, wave, shared file hosting, multimedia
repositories
Alternative to proprietary choices
Federated /
Distributed / Interoperable
Open Standards
Secure / Encrypted
Encouraging Peer Production communities
Encouraging the construction/maintenance of Commons
Potential cases for discussion:
Diaspora (federated social network)
Wave (federated real
/...\ time collaboration)
Lorea (federated social network)
DarkWallet (
distributed wallet & social network)
Ethereum (P2P infrastructure)
MaidSafe (P2P infrastructure)
Sandstorm.io (facilitates federated sw)
Mailpile (encripted email)
MediaGoblin (federated multimedia repository)
OwnCloud (file hosting)
… (your case)
** Scholarships **
There are a few scholarships for potential participants who wish to
attend the event
possible to achieve economies of scale that can make things like storage and compute cheaper in bulk there than they are in a
distributed system. They can also be more reliable. I host many things in the cloud because it almost never goes offline, while my home Internet connection
/...\ funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties,
distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even when you trust each piece to act in good faith is difficult. Writing a
distributed system which
feel I'm missing
something basic. Like a super-simplified paragraph of the over-all idea.
> Askemos appears to solve trust in
distributed application-state, correct? I'll need to read more deeply.
I'm not a native English speaker. Notably here I'm inclined
/...\ handled
(ignored). (At least while there are less than 1/3 bad nodes.)
Hence I'm inclined to say "Askemos solves trust BY
distributing
application state". Especially by
distributing it to parties having a
stake in either a) correct results b) conflicting interests iff they
where trying to play
have minimal consequences for the others. That's one of the reasons web of trust is so problematic. Using web of trust for key
distribution is desperation. Key
distribution is the poster child for applying multiple heterogenous methods. It's the thing most necessary to carry out external
/...\ shut down or compromise that will take most of the network with it, and there is nothing preventing a non-supernode from trusting (i.e.
distributing their trust between) more than one supernode. Then you can have the supernode operators each decide which other supernodes they trust which shrinks
availa bility nodes.
I think we have two different problems here and it makes sense to distinguish them. The first problem is the key
distribution problem, which is an authentication problem. You have some name or other identity and you need a trustworthy method of obtaining the corresponding public
/...\ some path that can be trusted to reliably deliver the request.
Traditional broadcast media can actually solve both of them in different ways. Key
distribution has the narrower solution. If you're The New York Times or CBS then you can e.g. print the QR code of your public
/...\ issue. A reader who picks up an issue from a random news stand can have good confidence that the key isn't forged because
distributing a hundred thousand forged copies of The New York Times every day or setting up a 50KW transmitter on a frequency allocated to CBS would
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28 judge how successful that
ambition has been.
The design team I led put together a peer to
peer application infrastructure to support targeted
distribution and
clearing of news, events and
distribution of background materials and
personal interest preferences from anywhere in the world with each other
that worked over
/...\ others took it over and
what to do about that. One observation is key institutions can't think
let alone act in decentralised or
distributed ways. So even a bullet
proof decentralised service tends to become centralised to suit the
organisational and cultural expectations of such organisations. There
possible to achieve economies of scale that can make
things like storage and compute cheaper in bulk there
than they are in a
distributed system. They can also
be more reliable. I host many things in the cloud
because it almost never goes offline, while my home
Internet connection
/...\ funding, it's
easier to monetize centralized services so
more venture capital is poured into creating
them. The other post mentions technical
difficulties,
distributed systems are hard and getting them to
work even when you trust each piece to act
in good faith is difficult. Writing a
distributed system which
Francis Irving [LibreList] Bitcloud - decentralized, paid-for storage 2014-01-16 17:35:30 This is a funky Distributed Autonomous Corporation which lets you pay
for distributed storage in a distributed way.
https://github.com/wetube/bitcloud/blob/master/Bitcloud%20Nontechnical%20White%20Paper.md
It does something funky called "proof of bandwidth" (a type of proof
of stake) to measure the bandwidth people are providing without them
able to cheat
missing
something basic. Â Like a super-simplified paragraph of the over-all idea.
> Askemos appears to solve trust in
distributed application-state, correct? I'll need to read more deeply.
I'm not a native English speaker. Notably here I'm inclined to say
"yes", but then
/...\ spotted and handled
(ignored). (At least while there are less than 1/3 bad nodes.)
Hence I'm inclined to say "Askemos solves trust BY
distributing
application state". Â Especially by
distributing it to parties having a
stake in either a) correct results b) conflicting interests iff they
where trying
possible to achieve economies of scale that can make things like storage and compute cheaper in bulk there than they are in a
distributed system. They can also be more reliable. I host many things in the cloud because it almost never goes offline, while my home Internet connection
/...\ funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties,
distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even when you trust each piece to act in good faith is difficult. Writing a
distributed system which
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46 judge how successful that
ambition has been. The design team I led put together a peer to
peer application infrastructure to support targeted
distribution and
clearing of news, events and
distribution of background materials and
personal interest preferences from anywhere in the world with each other
that worked over PSTN
/...\ others took it over and
what to do about that. One observation is key institutions can't think
let alone act in decentralised or
distributed ways. So even a bullet
proof decentralised service tends to become centralised to suit the
organisational and cultural expectations of such organisations. There
sure you get invited first for tickets.
>
> http://redecentralize.org/conference/
>
> It seems slightly odd having a centralized meetup for a distributed
> group of distributed Internet groups. But it makes sense, and some
> groups are organising team meetups around the same time.
>
> Please
Francis Irving [LibreList] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-24 21:52:52 make sure you get invited first for tickets.
http://redecentralize.org/conference/
It seems slightly odd having a centralized meetup for a distributed group of distributed Internet groups. But it makes sense, and some groups are organising team meetups around the same time.
Please share the conference page
funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even when you trust each piece to act in good faith is difficult. Writing a distributed system which
Cozy.io
2014/1/3 Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com >
Yeah, it was only pretty recently that Docker announced they can now run on any Linux
distribution .
I will say that the learning curve on creating Docker containers is still a bit high for how conceptually simple (and beautiful!) Docker
/...\ Austin on a project called Grimwire that's in this realm. I'm
>>> also involved in the
distributed systems community here, though
>>> mostly as an enthusiast (I'm not implementing paxos or
>>> anything).
>>>
>>> Nice meeting
contact with the centre - they must either stop operating until they
re-establish contact, or continue to operate without the centre's
guidance. A distributed system with a centre is still a distributed
system - you can't escape the CAP theorem by putting a crown on one of
the nodes
redecentralize@librelist.com
Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects
Yeah, it was only pretty recently that Docker announced they can
now run on any Linux
distribution .
I will say that the learning curve on creating Docker containers is still a bit high for how conceptually simple (and beautiful!) Docker
/...\ Austin on a project called Grimwire that's in this realm. I'm
>>> also involved in the
distributed systems community here, though
>>> mostly as an enthusiast (I'm not implementing paxos or
>>> anything).
>>>
>>> Nice meeting
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] London panelist? 2014-04-25 08:01:11 familiar with this project, here's a quick summary: "Ethereum is a platform that makes it possible for any developer to write and distribute next-generation decentralized applications. Borrowing the concept of distributed consensus and cryptographic proof that makes cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin so effective in trustless payments, Ethereum extends
come up which fuel the
next decade of predator capitalism.
Instead I would propose, for example, to found an organisation under
public law to
distribute literature like Amazon is doing with its
services. Not only literature from the public domain but also new
literature. But the central stock would
/...\ literal heritage which is
only very slowly digitalized, in Germany at least.
This organisation would
distribute public domain E-Books for free and
printed books from the public domain for a cost-covering fee. And it
would give authors and readers the possibility to sell and buy books
directly, just
Stephan Tual [LibreList] London panelist? 2014-04-25 14:50:43 familiar with this project, here's a quick summary: "Ethereum is a platform that makes it possible for any developer to write and distribute next-generation decentralized applications. Borrowing the concept of distributed consensus and cryptographic proof that makes cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin so effective in trustless payments, Ethereum extends
schrieb Francis Irving:
>
> http://redecentralize.org/conference/
>
> It seems slightly odd having a centralized meetup for a distributed
> group of distributed Internet groups. But it makes sense, and some
> groups are organising team meetups around the same time.
It's not odd, if used
schrieb Francis Irving:
>>
>> http://redecentralize.org/conference/
>>
>> It seems slightly odd having a centralized meetup for a distributed
>> group of distributed Internet groups. But it makes sense, and some
>> groups are organising team meetups around the same time
address problems. As a direct outcome of the human model, we
might look at community size. This depends on the facilities being
offered.
Distributed search, YaCy, for example, could have a very
large number of users. Social networks, on the other hand, might need
very focused small communities
/...\ groups that overlap. Problems can then be resolved
through side channels and appropriate server management tools. (and a
'server' could be a collection of
distributed nodes, of course)
OK, that'll do from me. Thanks for listening.
Mike
Yeah, it was only pretty recently that Docker announced they can now run on any Linux
distribution .
I will say that the learning curve on creating Docker containers is still a bit high for how conceptually simple (and beautiful!) Docker is. I was a little taken aback. But they acknowledge
/...\ Austin on a project called Grimwire that's in this realm. I'm
>>> also involved in the
distributed systems community here, though
>>> mostly as an enthusiast (I'm not implementing paxos or
>>> anything).
>>>
>>> Nice meeting
possible. Trust is the hard part in all of this. Once you have trust, then book-keeping is eventual consistency.
After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures as well,
This would be the easy part. Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for decentralization. What
establish trust"?
(Though once I have that agreement, reconciliation is relevant only
for nodes which missed the update itself.)
After you've distributed identities, you need to
distribute data-structures as well,
This would be the easy part.
Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for
decentralization.
Don't understand
Torbjörn Johnson [GG] A distributed CDN 2017-03-07 09:43:00 Hello Everyone, Â Want to share with you the launch of a new distributed Content Distribution Network (CDN), primarily intended for video broadcast on demand. It's free to use (View) but requires registration to become a broadcaster. It scales to unlimited viewing hours for free! Broadcasters never upload
value of the compound key (based upon the public_key and
>> name fields) used as the actual key on the
distributed hash
>> table. * signature - a cryptographic signature generated using
>> the creator's private key with the fields described above.
>
> When it comes
/...\ practice a
> fuse mounted directory at my desktop is just yet another such
> agent, certainly changing state.
>
Hah... a trivial
distributed "Dropbox" clone built with fuse is one of
my target "quick example" applications (a la "create a blog
shut down or compromise that will take most of the network with it, and there is nothing preventing a non-supernode from trusting (i.e. distributing their trust between) more than one supernode. Then you can have the supernode operators each decide which other supernodes they trust which shrinks
fuse mounted directory at my desktop is just yet another such
>> agent, certainly changing state.
>>
> Hah... a trivial distributed "Dropbox" clone built with fuse is one of
> my target "quick example" applications (a la "create a blog
time.
But I don’t think it’s a huge leap. The question Tsitsiklis/Xu were looking at was storage allocation in a distributed storage pool (or an idealized form of that problem). Their research was backed by Google, who obviously is very interested in storage allocation problems
even harder to grow sustained decentralized deployments of
software and services. But we also need to consider monetization or
economical sustainability, easy software distribution and well evolved
forms of collective deployments of software.
best,
holger
>
> Take Twitter for example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples
harder to grow sustained decentralized deployments of
> software and services. But we also need to consider monetization or
> economical sustainability, easy software distribution and well evolved
> forms of collective deployments of software
Thanks! I am trying to fight the meme war and I think techno babbly
phrases like Cloud Computing need a distributed counterpart :). I want
people say "cloud computing? that's like soooo 2014".
Max
Jeremie Miller wrote:
> Max, this is *great*, I love "grass computing
mempko@gmail.com > wrote: Jer,
Thanks! I am trying to fight the meme war and I think techno babbly
phrases like Cloud Computing need a distributed counterpart :). I want
people say "cloud computing? that's like soooo 2014".
Max
Jeremie Miller wrote:
> Max, this is *great*, I love "grass computing
Thanks! I am trying to fight the meme war and I think techno babbly
> phrases like Cloud Computing need a distributed counterpart :). I want
> people say "cloud computing? that's like soooo 2014".
>
> Max
>
>
> Jeremie Miller wrote:
>> Max, this
else publish it as a draft
standard?).
It is, very pragmatically, built on REST and WebDAV and TLS - no fancy global
distributed hashtable stuff (though we actually are looking into that to
create a global 'address book' for this). The plus side is of course that it
works
session on youtube, so apologies if I'm adding
redundant info here.
In the late 90s I was playing with the concept of a distributed search
engine, but due to lack of time it just remained a 'future work' idea in
a chapter of my degree's final year project
adam.ierymenko [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 15:04:00 very expensive, so this cost is often a lot less than the cost of manually maintaining things. Decentralization is not just about networking, distributed systems, and data replication. It's also about solving a long list of more mundane problems that contribute indirectly... like this
Paul Frazee [GG] Re: Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-07 10:23:00 sample sites that actually look pretty good. And dynamic, hmm, how does that work... https://zeronet.readthedocs.org/en/latest/using_zeronet/sample_sites/ Looks like there's some kind of distributed sql backend? I'm having trouble finding details on that
Martin [GG] Re: Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-09 06:40:00 Donnerstag, 7. April 2016 19:23:04 UTC+2 schrieb Paul Frazee: Looks like there's some kind of distributed sql backend? I'm having trouble finding details on that Each site is backed by a sqlite database which is synchronized between the hosting peers. Quoting the documentation
value of the compound key (based upon the public_key
> and name fields) used as the actual key on the distributed hash table.
> * signature - a cryptographic signature generated using the creator's
> private key with the fields described above.
When it comes to contracts, one might find
might already have heard of it. There is a new project
called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a
distributed and secure P2P network which allows for messaging and data
storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many platforms
restrict. I work solo in Austin on a project
> called Grimwire that's in this realm. I'm also involved in the
> distributed systems community here, though mostly as an enthusiast
> (I'm not implementing paxos or anything).
>
> Nice meeting you all, and I look
Austin on a project called Grimwire that's in this realm. I'm
>>> also involved in the distributed systems community here, though
>>> mostly as an enthusiast (I'm not implementing paxos or
>>> anything).
>>>
>>> Nice meeting
Ira [Email] There's more to decentralisation 2018-09-25 13:51:19.9682 used for evil so we should think about the ends not just the means For me, this means focusing on decentralising power by distributing control, knowledge and capability to the network Also considering what values we can enshrine through the use of technology - such as promoting agency, privacy, collaboration
restrict. I work solo in Austin on a project
> called Grimwire that's in this realm. I'm also involved in the
> distributed systems community here, though mostly as an enthusiast
> (I'm not implementing paxos or anything).
>
> Nice meeting you all, and I look
protocols like GNUnet that HTTP absolutely can't mimic.
Regarding WebRTC, the central dependency is signal routing and IP discovery. You can distribute that system with lots of HTTPS hosts, but you still need to address vulnerabilities in DNS and SSL and consider the possibility of a compromised host. That
tend to restrict. I work solo in Austin on a project called Grimwire that's in this realm. I'm also involved in the distributed systems community here, though mostly as an enthusiast (I'm not implementing paxos or anything).
Nice meeting you all, and I look forward to seeing
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 23:56:09 work solo in Austin on a project
>> called Grimwire that's in this realm. I'm also involved in the
>> distributed systems community here, though mostly as an enthusiast
>> (I'm not implementing paxos or anything).
>>
>> Nice meeting
Austinites I'd encourage to join the Distributed Systems Enthusiasts ( www.meetup.com/Distributed-Systems-Enthusiasts/ )
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Virgil Griffith < i@virgil.gr > wrote:
Talk to the TRSST people. They are DC area.
On Jan 2, 2014 6:13 PM, "Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com
with Web Workers" http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/in-application-sandboxing-with-web-workers.html
"Communicating with Web Workers using HTTP" http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/communicating-with-web-workers-using-http.html
Askemos appears to solve trust in distributed application-state, correct? I'll need to read more deeply.
The trust question I'm investigating is application-integrity during third-party extension. Autonomy means
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 12:40:57 guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
ownership is a determining category
in our societies. Otherwise Google, Twitter, FB and the likes could claim
to be decentralized because they operate large distributed CDNs and other
technical decentralization techniques. Clearly, as soon as an entity
commercially captures interactions between humans and their machines
there is a centralization
became less  anti-fragile once hosting became more complex than creating marked-up documents." At that point, you couldn't easily distribute the hosting media, so end-users couldn't create redundant hosts, and the centralized hosting removed optionality. Agree/disagree
fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or other disruption efforts.
Technology can only be at best half the fix for the panopticon problem. The other half has to be political
fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be
> vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or
> other disruption efforts.
>
> Technology can only be at best half the fix for the panopticon problem.
> The other half
fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be
> vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or
> other disruption efforts.
>
> Technology can only be at best half the fix for the panopticon problem.
> The other half
fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be
> vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or
> other disruption efforts.
>
> Technology can only be at best half the fix for the panopticon problem.
> The other half
fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be
> vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or
> other disruption efforts.
>
> Technology can only be at best half the fix for the panopticon problem.
> The other half
fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be
> vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or
> other disruption efforts.
>
> Technology can only be at best half the fix for the panopticon problem.
> The other half
fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be
> vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or
> other disruption efforts.
>
> Technology can only be at best half the fix for the panopticon problem.
> The other half
part of the equations,
there are plenty of free software project addressing this need, and they
have no need to restrain use, modification, distribution, or access to
their source code in any way to do so. Moreover, as you must know,
peer-to-peer systems work best when more people
might already have heard of it. There is a new project
called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to
create a
distributed and secure P2P network which allows for
messaging and data
storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many
platforms
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-02-03 10:52:25 meetup resource for redecentralize? I think people would respond with more interest if they knew the .org was behind it.
We have the Distributed Systems Enthusiasts (on meetup.com ) for a near approximation in the mean-time. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org
might already have heard of it. There is a new project
called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to
create a
distributed and secure P2P network which allows for
messaging and data
storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many
platforms
ownership is a determining category
in our societies. Otherwise Google, Twitter, FB and the likes could claim to
be decentralized because they operate large distributed CDNs and other
technical decentralization techniques. Clearly, as soon as an entity
commercially captures interactions between humans and their machines there
is a centralization
part of the equations, there
are plenty of free software project addressing this need, and they have no
need to restrain use, modification, distribution, or access to their source
code in any way to do so. Moreover, as you must know, peer-to-peer systems
work best when more people
doesn't mean that it is non-seeable or non-usable by others.
>
Well, it's non-modifiable and non-distributable, so it's proprietary, by
definition. There are quite a number of free software projects that
don't allow any modification that they don't like. But they
Data and P2P : peer to peer is the core of a
decentralization of the internet. Being able to make some request
over a distributed individual databases (personal clouds) solves
the issues of big data (privacy, quality of data, centralization
of power over a few actors being able to collect data
doesn't mean
> that it is non-seeable or non-usable by others.
>
Well, it's non-modifiable and non-distributable, so it's proprietary, by
definition. There are quite a number of free software projects that don't
allow any modification that they don't like
friends at http://eQualit.ie (the people behind https://deflect.ca
too) have put out a proposal for a new kind of decentralized and
distributed data hosting/communication system:
https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/lightweb-an-unbreakable-internet
Take a look!
Jacob Cook <jacob@peakwinter.net>
https://peakwinter.net
On 18/03/14 11:01 AM, Ross Jones wrote
plus are doing anonymous streaming tests now.
Tribler is not merely a streaming Bittorrent client, we build various things on
top of our P2P distributed database, such a wiki-style editing of metadata.
We do not use the TOR network, we enhanced their protocol to make
it compatible with
plus are doing anonymous streaming tests now.
Tribler is not merely a streaming Bittorrent client, we build various things on
top of our P2P distributed database, such a wiki-style editing of metadata.
We do not use the TOR network, we enhanced their protocol to make
it compatible with
Francis Irving [LibreList] DataCoin 2013-12-25 00:29:40 blockchain will handle only identification and some metadata for all
personal chains.
http://datacoin.info/index.php?id=faq
I'm not sure of the value above a distributed filestore more like
Drogulus. And yet, it seems at least interesting to be aware of.
Francis
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Intros and current projects 2013-12-29 15:11:48 tend to restrict. I work solo in Austin on a project called Grimwire that's in this realm. I'm also involved in the distributed systems community here, though mostly as an enthusiast (I'm not implementing paxos or anything).
Nice meeting you all, and I look forward to seeing
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Types of decentralization 2014-01-14 10:25:17 parts to communicate directly without involving a third party translator or intermediary.
(3) Physical decentralization
A physically decentralized system is one that is distributed and robust from a physical point of view. Its parts can be split, moved around geographically, parts can fail without impacting the whole (too badly
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 17:46:44 might already have heard of it. There is a new project
called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a
distributed and secure P2P network which allows for messaging and data
storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many platforms
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Decentralised symposium 2014-02-27 11:01:47 live in the middle-of-nowhere
rural England and, earlier this week, Francis was in Liverpool (miles
away from me) giving a talk about Distributed Autonomous Corporations
(DACs).
I can't get to Liverpool and I'm already in the UK. :-(
Getting an interesting and diverse group of people together
have
selected ClearOS for deeper & tighter integration. ClearOS is a
cloud-connected Server, Network, and Gateway operating system designed
for homes and distributed organizations. ClearOS is a central
component of Tiki Suite and has a very large number of well integrated
features to choose from: Mail & Webmail, LDAP
juh [GG] Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-06 22:31:00 Twister is a blockchain Twitter alternative.
http://twister.net.co/
Zeronet and Twister use implementations of the blockchain technology and
Bittorrent to setup the netwerk and distribute the content.
While Twister is limited to microblogging functionality Zeronet aims to
setup all kind of services and websites.
I would like to hear your
Public beta testing of our Android app, starting work on
the desktop UI.
Long term: Use Briar's data synchronization capabilities to support
secure, distributed applications including blogging, crisis mapping
and collaborative document editing.
What are you excited about?
The project is one of 54 semi-finalists in the Knight
definitely. Homomorphic crypto could have a *lot* of uses. It opens up the potential for things like black box certificate authorities that could be distributed as open source software. The CA signs your key. With what? A key pair it generated internally that cannot *ever* be viewed by *anyone*. :) -Adam
value of the compound key (based upon the public_key
and name fields) used as the actual key on the distributed hash table.
* signature - a cryptographic signature generated using the creator's
private key with the fields described above.
The public_key field is used to validate the signature value
protocol and the implementation of the neat idea
of block chain is on the basis of twister. The block chain provides a
sort of distributed notary service, certifying who owns a given
nickname. The name is associated with a specific key pair, which is
used for authentication and cryptography