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Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Types of decentralization 2014-01-14 10:25:17
others. (1) Political decentralization A politically decentralized system is one that is managed by a diverse set of individuals. (2) Functional decentralization A functionally decentralized (networked) system is one that permits its parts to communicate directly without involving a third party translator or intermediary. (3) Physical decentralization A physically decentralized /...\ badly), etc. Here are some examples: (1) Wikipedia would be an example of a system that is fairly politically decentralized but is NOT functionally or physically decentralized. (2) A flat IP network (one with no NAT or discriminating inline firewalls) would present a functionally decentralized system. Any computer on this /...\ network would qualify. Google's systems are very physically redundant, so that would be an example of a system that is physically but not functionally or politically decentralized
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 10:45:39
year or so I've had a design for a zero-knowledge server that nonetheless implements partial search/querying functionality for anyone with the key. Perhaps this could also play some role in the ecosystem. I'll try to write something up. > I've been thinking about that /...\ been toying with such an idea for a while too. But looking into this "little centralization paper" I'm left puzzled what *function* the centralized thing should provide? My over-all impression so far is, that the paper mostly concerns efficiency and load balancing /...\ efficiency more like an economic term applicable to central service providers operating services like FB. I can only guess what the to-be-centralized functionality would be: your #1 of your problem definition, the name lookup. Why? Because any following operation could be arranged to only ever talk to know
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve /...\ develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being /...\ able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could type: ping <your IP address> ... and directly ping your box. Physical decentralization means that no central point of failure exists... that I can ping your box regardless
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve /...\ develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being /...\ able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could type: ping <your IP address> ... and directly ping your box. Physical decentralization means that no central point of failure exists... that I can ping your box regardless
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve /...\ develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being /...\ able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could type: ping <your IP address> ... and directly ping your box. Physical decentralization means that no central point of failure exists... that I can ping your box regardless
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve /...\ develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being /...\ able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could type: ping <your IP address> ... and directly ping your box. Physical decentralization means that no central point of failure exists... that I can ping your box regardless
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable lateral communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve /...\ develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being /...\ able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could type: ping <your IP address> ... and directly ping your box. Physical decentralization means that no central point of failure exists... that I can ping your box regardless
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve /...\ develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being /...\ able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could type: ping <your IP address> ... and directly ping your box. Physical decentralization means that no central point of failure exists... that I can ping your box regardless
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
postMessage (no xhr). Exactly the same with Askemos. > This excites me for applications like Mint.com, which really needs proper isolation to function ethically. Great!  I did not know about mint.com However a) this functioning ethically is exactly why we did Askemos in the first place b) What /...\ fixed.  Etc. etc.  so we know: at any time there might be nodes registered with the DNS, which are not functioning anymore. Depending on you clinet (browser) this might be a problem. Best /Jörg >   but I look forward to digging
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 11:31:57
with the fields described above. When it comes to contracts, one might find it a good idea to define a slightly higher level hash function: extract (or attach) relevant information to assert provenance: creator, witness, time etc. and hash these together with the hash of the actual value /...\ meaningful name ensuring no other entity may > set items with this unique key (assuming no key collision vulnerability > in the hashing function). > > Does this make sense..? Yes, quite a lot. > Happy to answer questions and please remember, this is more an > experiment in code /...\ this time we grew quite a flexible language BAIL: a mixture of XSLT, a python-style syntax (a.k.a. "sweet syntax"), a pure functional Scheme subset and SQLite. Very funny to work with, because each object has it's private table space - zero DB administration. However this language
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
postMessage (no xhr). Exactly the same with Askemos. > This excites me for applications like Mint.com, which really needs proper isolation to function ethically. Great! I did not know about mint.com However a) this functioning ethically is exactly why we did Askemos in the first place b) What /...\ rebooted to be fixed. Etc. etc. so we know: at any time there might be nodes registered with the DNS, which are not functioning anymore. Depending on you clinet (browser) this might be a problem. Best /Jörg > but I look forward to digging in a bit. Ping
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
described above. > > When it comes to contracts, one might find it a good idea to define > a slightly higher level hash function: extract (or attach) relevant > information to assert provenance: creator, witness, time etc. and > hash these together with the hash of the actual value /...\ ensuring no other entity may set items with this unique key >> (assuming no key collision vulnerability in the hashing >> function). >> >> Does this make sense..? > > Yes, quite a lot. > >> Happy to answer questions and please remember, this /...\ grew quite a flexible > language BAIL: a mixture of XSLT, a python-style syntax (a.k.a. > "sweet syntax"), a pure functional Scheme subset and SQLite. Very > funny to work with, because each object has it's private table > space - zero DB administration. However this language
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 09:56:09
80kLOC it's 80Kbyte. 60% for the HTML user interface, 932 lines "real code", including all the SQL and non-essential functionality. Only about 230 lines (pur functional code and again a lot HTML) one would ever want to manually verify to be sure it does not violate
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 03:28:23
80Kbyte. > 60% for the HTML user interface, 932 lines "real code", including all > the SQL and non-essential functionality. > Only about 230 lines (pur functional code and again a lot HTML) one > would ever want to manually verify to be sure it does
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-09 11:30:40
80Kbyte. >> 60% for the HTML user interface, 932 lines "real code", including all >> the SQL and non-essential functionality. >> Only about 230 lines (pur functional code and again a lot HTML) one >> would ever want to manually verify
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:04:39
year or so I've had a design for a zero-knowledge server that nonetheless implements partial search/querying functionality for anyone with the key. Perhaps this could also play some role in the ecosystem. I'll try to write something up. >> I've been thinking about that /...\ such an idea for a while too. > > But looking into this "little centralization paper" I'm left puzzled > what *function* the centralized thing should provide? That's what I'm scratching my head about too. Their work is so theoretical it simply doesn't specify
juh [GG] Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-06 22:31:00
know if this was discussed before, but have you looked into Zeronet? http://zeronet.io/ It is extremely easy to use. With the clone function you can setup your own blog with a mouse click. Twister is a blockchain Twitter alternative. http://twister.net.co/ Zeronet and Twister use implementations of the blockchain /...\ technology and Bittorrent to setup the netwerk and distribute the content. While Twister is limited to microblogging functionality Zeronet aims to setup all kind of services and websites. I would like to hear your comments
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 20:23:47
something isn't working you can swap it out with something else. Then as long as you have [anything] that can perform the necessary function (e.g. message relay or lookup database), everything requiring that function can carry on working. > Yep. It's one of the reasons
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
will ever use it therefore it's a waste of time... > Then as long as you have [anything] that can perform the necessary function (e.g. message relay or lookup database), everything requiring that function can carry on working. You can have your cake
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 11:07:42
example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples’ tweets. It does a few other things but that’s the core functionality. What about that couldn’t be replaced by a web of bi-directional RSS reader apps? By bi-directional I mean a reader that /...\ something… something very simple and built entirely on current open standards. Now take Facebook… is it that different? It has some additional functionality but really how hard would all that be to implement if every device had a real address? Reachability, bandwidth, scalability, all these
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples’ tweets. It does a few other things but that’s the core functionality. What about that couldn’t be replaced by a web of bi-directional RSS reader apps? By bi-directional I mean a reader that /...\ something very simple and built entirely on current open standards. > > Now take Facebook… is it that different? It has some additional functionality but really how hard would all that be to implement if every device had a real address? > > Reachability, bandwidth, scalability, all these
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-02 12:47:06
wrote: > 3. For a year or so I've had a design for a zero-knowledge server that nonetheless implements partial search/querying functionality for anyone with the key. Perhaps this could also play some role in the ecosystem. I'll try to write something up. I've been thinking /...\ traffic in a network must be centralized to achieve the phase transition they describe, but they do not give us an answer for what functionality is required. Imagine a stupid-simple key-value store with PUT and GET. Each key has a corresponding public key submitted with it that
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
also trended in that direction. Although the web's design left the door wide open to centralisation by separating out client and server functionality which was a consequence of a design choice for broken 'hyper' links.  That simplification was pivotal and not always in a good way for making
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 21:46:31
kidding about the diagram.  Interesting statement on  http://youbroketheinternet.org/map Because the web browser is so overladen with surveillance functionality such as cookies, invisible counters, e-tags and plenty of Javascript doing what the server tells it to. Now comes WebRTC which relies on web servers
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:45:20
kidding about the diagram. > > Interesting statement on http://youbroketheinternet.org/map > > Because the web browser is so overladen with surveillance functionality > > such as cookies, invisible counters, e-tags and plenty of Javascript doing > > what the server tells it to. Now comes WebRTC which
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-09 09:25:35
environment, with all APIs removed but for postMessage (no xhr). This excites me for applications like Mint.com, which really needs proper isolation to function ethically. I'm having trouble loading some of Askemos' docs, but I look forward to digging in a bit. Ping me in #stackvm on freenode (pfraze
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-06-06 08:46:27
their spaces of execution as social statements. In the information age, they are. The way software is structured and executed affects the form and function of the socioeconomic realm. On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: Hello all, Sending out a new post
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 10:55:53
sure if I will "officially" support it. Windows XP will not work since it is missing a number of core networking functions that this app needs. But XP is ancient and EOL anyway so that's probably okay. It's open source so if someone *really* wants
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 13:00:12
sure if I will "officially" support it. Windows XP will not work since it is missing a number of core networking functions that this app needs. But XP is ancient and EOL anyway so that's probably okay. It's open source so if someone *really* wants
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-01 21:02:50
these be helpful? 3. For a year or so I've had a design for a zero-knowledge server that nonetheless implements partial search/querying functionality for anyone with the key.  Perhaps this could also play some role in the ecosystem.  I'll try to write something
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
that the future of the internet will be decentralized and user centric. 1.4    What will be the essential functional building blocks of the Internet then? Decentralization could be built around : 1/ PIMS (personal information management systems) 2/ third parties who can hosts the PIMS
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-07 09:23:31
their spaces of execution as social statements. In the information age, they are. The way software is structured and executed affects the form and function of the socioeconomic realm. On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: Hello all, Sending out a new post
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] ZeroTier One for Windows 2014-03-07 15:52:33
might be supported in the future, while XP will probably never be supported due to a number of missing network and driver related API functions. (It's also an EOL operating system in general.) Let me know if you have problems. If people have success here I'm going
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] PS: Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 12:00:56
schrieb Jörg F. Wittenberger: > BAIL: a mixture of XSLT, a python-style syntax (a.k.a. "sweet > syntax"), a pure functional Scheme subset and SQLite. Very funny to > work with, because each object has it's private table space - zero DB > administration. However this
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-06-05 12:21:02
their spaces of execution as social statements. In the information age, they are. The way software is structured and executed affects the form and function of the socioeconomic realm. On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: Hello all, Sending out a new post
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-06 12:58:21
public_key and meaningful name ensuring no other entity may set items with this unique key (assuming no key collision vulnerability in the hashing function). Does this make sense..? Happy to answer questions and please remember, this is more an experiment in code. I'm currently working on the drogulus
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
that it never works. For all the failings of free market capitalism, it's clearly better than a centrally planned economy. The thing about functioning decentralized and federated systems is that they often work so well they become invisible. Nobody notices the *absence* of a middle man. And it seems
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:04:36
never works. For all the failings of free > market capitalism, it's clearly better than a centrally planned > economy. The thing about functioning decentralized and federated > systems is that they often work so well they become invisible. Nobody > notices the *absence* of a middle man. This
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
also trended in that direction. Although the web's design left the door wide open to centralisation by separating out client and server functionality which was a consequence of a design choice for broken 'hyper' links.  That simplification was pivotal and not always in a good way for making
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:42:22
kidding about the diagram. > > Interesting statement on http://youbroketheinternet.org/map > > Because the web browser is so overladen with surveillance functionality > > such as cookies, invisible counters, e-tags and plenty of Javascript doing > > what the server tells it to. Now comes WebRTC which