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We’ve had enough of digital monopolies and surveillance capitalism. We want an alternative world that works for everyone, just like the original intention of the web and net.

We seek a world of open platforms and protocols with real choices of applications and services for people. We care about privacy, transparency and autonomy. Our tools and organisations should fundamentally be accountable and resilient.

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Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable lateral communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder /...\ killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication /...\ easy enables people to easily develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder /...\ killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication /...\ easy enables people to easily develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder /...\ killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication /...\ easy enables people to easily develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder /...\ killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication /...\ easy enables people to easily develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder /...\ killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication /...\ easy enables people to easily develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder /...\ killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication /...\ easy enables people to easily develop killer apps that want to talk laterally. Once these exist, the tail will wag the dog. What do I mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 11:04:28
similar to our ideas for Askemos (though ethereum is even closer).  Except that we immediately scaled back to leave browser integration for later. A decade of experience later and having released a usable, self-hosting system I can account the resources it took.  We had four
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-28 08:53:49
David Burns wrote: > Apparently I scraped a nerve, but you did ask for critique. I went > back and looked at the later bits, I liked part three. I > particularly liked your answer to the person who wanted to claim > that the standards process requires centralization. Perhaps /...\ Maybe the >> talk got there eventually, but I stopped watching before then. >> Maybe I'll try again later and skip past the complaining. Dave >> > > Oh dear. Never mind. > > My aim was to show a clear and reasonable movement of thought
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] Any updates on the un-conference? 2015-09-14 12:32:33
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 09:53:54
pretty similar to our ideas for Askemos (though ethereum is even closer).  Except that we immediately scaled back to leave browser integration for later. A decade of experience later and having released a usable, self-hosting system I can account the resources it took.  We had four people
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-27 20:49:10
Apparently I scraped a nerve, but you did ask for critique. I went back and looked at the later bits, I liked part three. I particularly liked your answer to the person who wanted to claim that the standards process requires centralization.  Perhaps /...\ about what we can do. Maybe the > talk got there eventually, but I stopped watching before then. > Maybe I'll try again later and skip past the complaining. Dave > Oh dear. Never mind. My aim was to show a clear and reasonable movement of thought and analysis
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 01:52:00
long (e.g. do mobile as a separate post). Would rather it shipped and was readably short, than comprehensive! Can add further posts later... Francis * In the end, we obviously don't want this stuff to only be usable by power users. But given your description below, that's realistically where
anishmg [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 10:04:00
working with cultural organizations there and have them collaborate and share media which they create. Share, not initially with the world (that comes later), but with each other - for starters, and hope to provide a platform for the same and fan out from there. Same is the case
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:42:22
used in lots of ways. If you have some other decentralized identification system, you can then use WebRTC on top of it somehow later. Francis On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 09:46:31PM -0600, Paul Frazee wrote: > No kidding about the diagram. > > Interesting statement
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:45:20
used in lots of ways. If you have some other decentralized identification system, you can then use WebRTC on top of it somehow later. Francis On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 09:46:31PM -0600, Paul Frazee wrote: > No kidding about the diagram. > > Interesting statement
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 12:09:21
combining Redecentralize, Spring of Code and TA3M. (TA3M meetings are usually on the 3rd Monday of the month, but we can worry about that later!) Marc Barto, the Spring of Code organiser, has suggested the Centre for Creative Collaboration (C4CC) in King's Cross as a possible venue. http://creative-collaboration.net
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 14:03:18
Spring of Code and TA3M. > (TA3M meetings are usually on the 3rd Monday of the month, but we > can worry about that later!) > > Marc Barto, the Spring of Code organiser, has suggested the Centre > for Creative Collaboration (C4CC) in King's Cross as a possible
Anish Mangal [LibreList] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 15:55:01
working in these places cannot spend time to have this discussion with the stakeholders involved, I would actually prefer not providing access (postponing for later). This would have sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed to this list right now :-) Through
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-26 12:18:20
hear about what we can do. Maybe the talk got there eventually, but I stopped watching before then. Maybe I'll try again later and skip past the complaining. Dave On Friday, July 25, 2014, Tic Nticsebastian < patrick.sebastian7@gmail.com > wrote: Indeed that was a very good talk
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-27 06:56:31
about what we can do. Maybe the > talk got there eventually, but I stopped watching before then. > Maybe I'll try again later and skip past the complaining. Dave > Oh dear. Never mind. My aim was to show a clear and reasonable movement of thought and analysis
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 12:07:38
these places cannot spend time to > have this discussion with the stakeholders involved, I would actually > prefer not providing access (postponing for later). This would have > sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed to > this list right
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
these places cannot spend time to > have this discussion with the stakeholders involved, I would actually > prefer not providing access (postponing for later). This would have > sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed to > this list right
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
cannot spend time to > > have this discussion with the stakeholders involved, I would actually > > prefer not providing access (postponing for later). This would have > > sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm > subscribed to > > this