answer is that data must be encoded in the feed.
Say, for a twitter-like app, when you follow someone, you'd post a
message saying "i followed $DavidGeib" (where "$DavidGeib" is the hash
of your public key) and probably also include in this
message /...\ data-structures
>> > as well, or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases. Then, the
>> >
messages
>> > that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, so that Alice can
>> > rehost
>> >
messages from Bob without possibly
/...\ altering them. So there are three
>> > distinct challenges: authentication,
message-verification, and dataset
>> > coordination.
>> >
>> > Bitcoin, for example, solves all three of these problems. Broadly...
>> >
>> > - Authentication: RSA keypairs
prevent the agent from doing stupid things like
removing all notaries.
> The data model in secure-scuttlebutt is very simple. There are
>
messages, feeds, and ids.
> a feed is an append-only singly linked list of
messages, owned by an
> id.
Which is pretty much
/...\ layer some past state) of the application at the place. It
is the unit of replication. I.e., a SSB feed corresponds to a place.
Message&
message is another interesting topic. We have two:
http://askemos.org/index.html?_v=search&_id=1302
> The id is just the hash
> of the public key used
/...\ sign the
messages in a feed. A feed may not
> be signed by mutliple keys
> and the key may not be reassigned. The idea is to optimize for
> simplicity even over convenience.
That's a laudable goal.
With Askemos we are looking especially toward "long term
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On 07/08/14 10:31, Jörg F. Wittenberger wrote:
> Am 06.08.2014 13:58, schrieb Nicholas H.Tollervey:
>>
>> Items stored in the drogulus are designed to stand on their own
>> and be self-verifiable through cryptographic signing
/...\ Once we have the DHT, what do we do with it? I'd like it to handle
> my conversation and business. Publications, private
messages,
> archive+backup, calendar, notes etc.
>
Quite... the drogulus is supposed to be application agnostic.
> So I need an environment where
/...\ agents (be them accounts
> representing human users or automated, autonomous processes)
> communicating via asynchronous, unreliable, unidirectional
>
messages. That's how we observe human interaction in writing.
> Humans or juristic persons sending letters, registered mail etc.
>
Again, quite. Actually, it's not just humans
distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures
> as well, or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases. Then, the
messages
> that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, so that Alice can rehost
>
messages from Bob without possibly altering them. So there are three
/...\ distinct challenges: authentication,
message-verification, and dataset
> coordination.
>
> Bitcoin, for example, solves all three of these problems. Broadly...
>
>Â - Authentication: RSA keypairs.
> ( https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Address#Proving_you_receive_with_an_address ).
>Â -
Message-verification: transaction signatures.
>Â - Dataset coordination: the global blockchain and total ordering
distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures as well, or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases. Then, the
messages that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, so that Alice can rehost
messages from Bob without possibly altering them. So there are three distinct challenges: authentication
/...\ message-verification, and dataset coordination.
Bitcoin, for example, solves all three of these problems. Broadly... Â - Authentication: RSA keypairs. ( https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Address#Proving_you_receive_with_an_address ).
 -
Message-verification: transaction signatures. Â - Dataset coordination: the global blockchain and total ordering via PoW. After all that, you need to deal with abusive
distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures
> as well, or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases. Then, the
messages
> that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, so that Alice can rehost
>
messages from Bob without possibly altering them. So there are three
/...\ distinct challenges: authentication,
message-verification, and dataset
> coordination.
>
> Bitcoin, for example, solves all three of these problems. Broadly...
>
> - Authentication: RSA keypairs.
> (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Address#Proving_you_receive_with_an_address).
> -
Message-verification: transaction signatures.
> - Dataset coordination: the global blockchain and total ordering via PoW.
>
> After
Goffi [LibreList] Hello + Salut à Toi / Libervia 2015-08-22 18:15:14 project, so here I am :)
We work on a decentralized "social network" based on XMPP (XMPP is not
only about instant
messaging contrary to a popular belief).
The good point about this is that we are standard and so compatible with
other projects (the 2 only other XMPP
/...\ projects able to manage blogging -
to my knowledge - are Movim and Jappix). Our project do instant
messaging, (micro)blogging, file sharing, games, end 2 end encryption
(only OTR for instant
messaging so far), and is multi-interfaces (web,
desktop, command line, console). We have many planed projects like a
micro
/...\ AGPL v3+, and made with Python (2.7 so far, we start to
think about Python 3 port).
Ok, that's enough for a first
message, you can check the website for
more information: http://salut-a-toi.org or, if by any chance you are at
FrOSCon, come to see us.
Ah, last
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What's the project?
Briar is a messaging app designed for activists, journalists, and
anyone else who needs a safe, easy and robust way to communicate.
Unlike traditional messaging tools such as email or Twitter, Briar
doesn't rely on a central server - messages
such.
> or we rely on central nodes to keep data-bases.
Let's outright rejected that for not being decentralized.
> Then, the
messages that construct the datasets need to be verifiable,
> so that Alice can rehost
messages from Bob without possibly altering them
/...\ that the data matches the checksum. (At least that the way
BALL implements the concept.)
> So there are three distinct challenges: authentication,
>
message-verification, and dataset coordination.
>
> Bitcoin, for example, solves all three of these problems. Broadly...
>
> - Authentication: RSA keypairs.
> (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Address#Proving_you_receive_with_an_address).
/...\ Message-verification: transaction signatures.
> - Dataset coordination: the global blockchain and total ordering via PoW.
Bitcoin – it's a bit tiring. Sure it does solve these things in some
way. It has to.
The only thing we do slightly different is the data set coordination.
PoW is just
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49 have a mental image of what it might look like, and the protocol is designed to enable it with only the addition of new
message types-- existing protocol
messages should work fine and not need to be altered much (if at all).
A bit about the ZT1 design: Supernodes
/...\ communicating (unless you successfully NAT-traverse and connect directly) but cannot read your traffic. Relay nodes assist in NAT traversal by sending a RENDEZVOUS
message to both peers periodically if they are being relayed that says "hey, you two, go talk to each other <here>." This enables reliable
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30 have a mental image of what it might look like, and the protocol is designed to enable it with only the addition of new
message types-- existing protocol
messages should work fine and not need to be altered much (if at all).
A bit about the ZT1 design: Supernodes
/...\ communicating (unless you successfully NAT-traverse and connect directly) but cannot read your traffic. Relay nodes assist in NAT traversal by sending a RENDEZVOUS
message to both peers periodically if they are being relayed that says "hey, you two, go talk to each other <here>." This enables reliable
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41 have a mental image of what it might look like, and the protocol is designed to enable it with only the addition of new
message types-- existing protocol
messages should work fine and not need to be altered much (if at all). A bit about the ZT1 design: Supernodes
/...\ communicating (unless you successfully NAT-traverse and connect directly) but cannot read your traffic. Relay nodes assist in NAT traversal by sending a RENDEZVOUS
message to both peers periodically if they are being relayed that says "hey, you two, go talk to each other <here>." This enables reliable
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47 have a mental image of what it might look like, and the protocol is designed to enable it with only the addition of new
message types-- existing protocol
messages should work fine and not need to be altered much (if at all).
A bit about the ZT1 design: Supernodes
/...\ communicating (unless you successfully NAT-traverse and connect directly) but cannot read your traffic. Relay nodes assist in NAT traversal by sending a RENDEZVOUS
message to both peers periodically if they are being relayed that says "hey, you two, go talk to each other <here>." This enables reliable
section of the DOM for rendering its UI, and no other privileges. This solves the data-containment issue.
The User-Agent behaviors and HTTP
messaging handle the question of IPC between the Citibank page and the Mint worker. Typed links are used to export/discover the interfaces between those two threads
/...\ Insofar your sandboxing text reads very related to our implementation.
Obviously.
Ah, yeah: applications in Askemos can communicate with each other. By
passing asynchronous
messages. The implementation makes sure that in -
case the group of nodes maintaining the receiving application is not the
same as the group of the sending
/...\ messages are transparently
forwarded to all nodes commissioned to run the receiving app.
> Regarding shared state, the client/server model is continued, and so server nodes still maintain state authority, but the user may change which servers are used.
Hm. Â This seems like "almost identical". Â Correct
assigned to
officiate a particular "place"
(is that correct Askemos terminology?)
The data model in secure-scuttlebutt is very simple. There are
messages, feeds, and ids.
a feed is an append-only singly linked list of
messages, owned by an
id. The id is just the hash
/...\ public key used to sign the
messages in a feed. A feed may not
be signed by mutliple keys
and the key may not be reassigned. The idea is to optimize for
simplicity even over convenience.
This make both replication and verification conceptually simple. It is
not necessary to trust
specs.
By publishing Askemos' protocols as reltypes, you standardize the protocols. For a simple example, if Askemos used a "heartbeat" protocol in which ping
messages need to be exchanged regularly, you'd write a spec for the client and the server and upload it at, say, askemos.org/rel/heartbeat . A server
/...\ inclined to say our projects solve fairly different
problems. Let me step through the Mint.com example to hopefully
clarify the differences.
Reading your
message I'd agree. Looks like our projects solve kinda
complementary problems, which makes us deal with similar issues.Â
Just you're concerned
/...\ However that would happen before the
resulting HTML is feed into the browser for display/interaction.
The User-Agent behaviors and HTTP
messaging handle the
question of IPC between the Citibank page and the Mint worker.
Typed links are used to export/discover the interfaces between
those two threads
inspiration:
Once we have the DHT, what do we do with it? I'd like it to handle my
conversation and business. Publications, private
messages,
archive+backup, calendar, notes etc.
So I need an environment where I see agents (be them accounts
representing human users or automated, autonomous processes)
communicating
/...\ asynchronous, unreliable, unidirectional
messages.
That's how we observe human interaction in writing. Humans or juristic
persons sending letters, registered mail etc.
Side note: Tuns out documents like contracts (which is what "business"
boils down into) could seen as a finalized subclass of agents which just
/...\ peer hardware and maybe more. Nothing technological means
can judge; it's a judgment about those very means among more. Ergo:
publications and
messages may leave the commissioned set, private data
will never.
Eventually I wonder how much effort it would be to maintain those expire
times
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From: redecentralize@librelist.com [mailto:redecentralize@librelist.com] On
Behalf Of hellekin
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 12:07 PM
To: redecentralize@librelist.com
Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform
(as in no servers)
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On 09/02/2015 12:05 PM, Robert Tischer wrote
working you can swap it out with something else. Then as long as you have [anything] that can perform the necessary function (e.g.
message relay or lookup database), everything requiring that function can carry on working.
> Yep. It's one of the reasons I don't think Bitcoin
/...\ destination provide an authenticated confirmation of receipt. Then if there is no confirmation you ask some different trusted peer(s) to relay the
message. That way all misplaced trust costs you is efficiency rather than security. If a trusted peer defects then you try the next one. Then even
therefore it's a waste of time...
> Then as long as you have [anything] that can perform the necessary function (e.g.
message relay or lookup database), everything requiring that function can carry on working.
You can have your cake and eat it too. It's easy. Just make
/...\ destination provide an authenticated confirmation of receipt. Then if there is no confirmation you ask some different trusted peer(s) to relay the
message. That way all misplaced trust costs you is efficiency rather than security. If a trusted peer defects then you try the next one. Then even
inclined to say our projects solve fairly different
problems. Let me step through the Mint.com example to hopefully
clarify the differences.
Reading your
message I'd agree. Looks like our projects solve kinda
complementary problems, which makes us deal with similar issues.
Just you're concerned with them
/...\ rearrange it. However that would happen before the
resulting HTML is feed into the browser for display/interaction.
The User-Agent behaviors and HTTP
messaging handle the
question of IPC between the Citibank page and the Mint worker.
Typed links are used to export/discover the interfaces between
those two threads
incentive is: whoever finds the hash
collision to validate a new block of transactions will be awarded with
the right to send a promoted message. Promoted messages have a certain
probability of being displayed by twister client."
Spam As A Service ;-)
_Martin
partner and I were designing
together and we had to keep track of our comments and their depths.
best regards,
Robert
rtischer@hiveware.com
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From: redecentralize@librelist.com [mailto:redecentralize@librelist.com] On
Behalf Of hellekin
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 2:33 PM
To: redecentralize@librelist.com
Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized
/...\ platform
(as in no servers)
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On 09/02/2015 02:49 PM, Robert Tischer wrote:
>
Robert, the fact you're using non-standard ways to quote email and that you
don't edit replies makes it quite difficult to follow. The "> "
prefix
with okfestival.
Please go to
https://github.com/No9/peerconf-2013/issues/1#issuecomment-31490267
and pass on some thoughts if your interested.
Thanks
--- Original
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From: "Eric Mill" <eric@konklone.com>
Sent: 3 January 2014 02:59
To: redecentralize@librelist.com
Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects
Yeah, it was only pretty recently that Docker
/...\ than the official install process.
-- Eric
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jacob Cook
< jacob@jcook.cc > wrote:
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It certainly sounds like an interesting proposition. I've been holding
off because Docker hasn't yet been reliably working
call up my friends. But maybe I prefer yahoo's interface? Well, tough luck. So the solution is RSA keypairs. If users sign their
messages, it matters less who hosts and carries them. I could jump between yahoo and gmail any time. I could jump to any number of applications
/...\ this seems to replicate data. Does it
protect
against malicious updates too?
It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the
messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs
to deal with convergence, but the systemic model for
security is the reputation system.
CRDT = "Cambodian
notary (you can just add or remove them like
here http://ball.askemos.org/A876f1fe6998ca9d43f2e66c11a3f0d4a?do=notaries&version=17&login=public
)
So the solution is RSA keypairs. If users sign their
messages, it matters less who hosts and carries them. I could
jump between yahoo and gmail any time. I could jump to any
number of applications
/...\ here: this
seems to replicate data. Does it protect
against malicious updates too?
It creates a verifiable log only -- the
content of the
messages is an application
concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with
convergence, but the systemic model for security
is the reputation system.
CRDT = "Cambodian
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-04 10:32:38 Doesn't help much with keeping data secret when attackers already
own a peer. Still at least no website defacement, no attacker
sending
messages in your name.
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:29
AM, Jörg F. Wittenberger < Joerg.Wittenberger@softeyes.net >
wrote
/...\ Steve
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014
at 1:04 AM, Francis
Irving < francis@flourish.org >
wrote:
FireChat, an
iPhone app that
does mesh network
messaging, had an
article in the
Economist this
month (can't find
it to link to,
and paywalled
anyway).
It seems
note: the following
message has been posted also to cypherpunks and to
unsystem lists, some comments have already been received like 'don't use
github!' <sigh> this is more or less a cry for help on real ways to
redecentralize EVERYTHING and get EVERYBODY (or most internet users
/...\ this in a
way that makes sense to a lot of people.
A lot more than currently.
OK I am done for now.
[this
message has also been posted to cypherpunks and unsystem lists]
your thoughts please
community's ideas.
Anybody else? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Odinn Cyberguerrilla < odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net > wrote:
[note: the following
message has been posted also to cypherpunks and to
unsystem lists, some comments have already been received like 'don't use
github!' <sigh> this
/...\ this in a
way that makes sense to a lot of people.
A lot more than currently.
OK I am done for now.
[this
message has also been posted to cypherpunks and unsystem lists]
your thoughts please
integrated in CyanogenMod as the default SMS provider without any UX degradation, and they just moved beyond SMS to a more full-featured
messaging system.
And unlike Telegram, they're doing it all as 100% open source , and even experimenting with ways of incentivizing and crowdfunding contributions.
So when
/...\ link to something about
> Telegram's travails? I'm interested.
>
> There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed
messaging
> apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had
> a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example
Insofar your sandboxing text reads very related to our implementation.
Obviously.
Ah, yeah: applications in Askemos can communicate with each other. By
passing asynchronous
messages. The implementation makes sure that in -
case the group of nodes maintaining the receiving application is not the
same as the group of the sending
/...\ messages are transparently
forwarded to all nodes commissioned to run the receiving app.
> Regarding shared state, the client/server model is continued, and so server nodes still maintain state authority, but the user may change which servers are used.
Hm. This seems like "almost identical". Correct? Except that
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On 26/07/14 23:18, David Burns wrote:
> I think the complaining lasts too long. I get depressed thinking
> about that stuff, I want to hear about what we can do. Maybe the
> talk got there eventually, but I stopped watching before
/...\ thought and
analysis from rather hand-wavy philosophical problems to some of the
concrete technical work we've been doing on FriendSecure (the
message
passing system) and the drogulus (the universal DHT).
You say you want to hear about what we can do:
How about thinking carefully and deeply about
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On 09/02/2015 08:43 AM, Robert Tischer wrote:
>
> The code will eventually be open read-only source. How's that for
> innovation!
>
Hi, I just subscribed to this list after watching an interview of the
organizers of this project
/...\ quite surprised to read, in the first
message I receive from the list, the sentence above.
How is "redecentralization" compatible with proprietary software at all?
"open read-only source" sounds like you're trying to get free work (as
in gratis) from your users, without letting
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Hi Dave,
Heh... no nerves scraped, but I did want to address your complaint
about complaining and, tbh, it's interesting and fun to engage with
people who are critical.
Best wishes,
Nicholas.
On 28/07/14 07:49, David Burns wrote:
> Apparently I scraped
/...\ analysis from rather hand-wavy philosophical problems to some of
> the concrete technical work we've been doing on FriendSecure (the
>
message passing system) and the drogulus (the universal DHT).
>
> You say you want to hear about what we can do:
>
> How about thinking
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-31 09:04:56 topic of your choice. Any takers? Cheers Ross On 31 Jan 2014, at 12:11, Michael Rogers < michael@briarproject.org > wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 *bump* Shall we have a London meetup next week? Cheers, Michael On 15/01/14 16:39, Ira wrote: Booking C4CC will be free. Someone
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Blog lisbon? 2014-08-06 10:05:20 more coverage of remotestorage :)
Ross
> On 6 Aug 2014, at 08:33, Pierre Ozoux <pierre.ozoux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> Hi all!
>
> I run this meetup [0] since 6 months now, and I'd like
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 12:09:21 BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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On 15/01/14 00:45, Piers Sturley wrote:
> Is there a date for the February meetup yet?
I'd like to suggest Wednesday 5 February as a provisional date for a
London meetup combining Redecentralize, Spring of Code and TA3M. (TA3M
meetings are usually
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On 15/01/14 12:09, Michael Rogers wrote:
> On 15/01/14 00:45, Piers Sturley wrote:
>> Is there a date for the February meetup yet?
>
> I'd like to suggest Wednesday 5 February as a provisional date for
> a London
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On 15/01/14 14:10, David Miller wrote:
> Best way to get the date you want is to volunteer to organise.
> EOM.
>
> p.s. This is not my way of volunteering.
:-D
OK... I volunteer to suggest that the next meeting
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 14:17:54 everyone know.
Thanks
Ross
On 15 Jan 2014, at 14:16, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll@ntoll.org> wrote:
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> On 15/01/14 14:10, David Miller wrote:
>> Best way to get the date you want is to volunteer to organise
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-06-06 16:04:20 sense. There are a lot of other useful tools that we may use, like ArkOS on the raspberry's the Serval project for free messages and call's inside a city by using a hybrid "android access point". And many, many more that are here on your site. Eventually
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On 15/01/14 14:17, Ross Jones wrote:
> Hey Nick,
>
> That’s great news, do you have a venue organised as well? If you
> could let us know the details we can let everyone know.
>
> Thanks
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Hi Jer, Hello Holger, Greetings Redecentralizers,
Apologies for the tardy response time on my part, I wanted to do you the
courtesy of thinking about the content of this email rather than simply
dashing something off. Of course, with a young family, I have
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 14:56:41 touch with person who can book C4CC :)
On 15 January 2014 14:20, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote:
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> Hey Nick,
>
> Thatâs great news, do you have a venue organised
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On 15/01/14 14:56, Ira wrote:
> I can give someone access to the eventbrite pages to get that going
> (or simply duplicate last event if we are agreed on date!). At the
> last meetup, Frederik specifically was happy to organise
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 16:39:22 separate thread with specific peoples to organise off list
On 15 January 2014 15:32, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote:
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> I can give someone access to the eventbrite pages to get that going
> (or simply
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I'm happy to kick in 20 quid towards beer/wine/snacks - it would be
nice not to charge if possible, so as not to deter broke hackers.
I can volunteer to organise on the 5th, 6th or 7th, but I'm busy
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On 21/01/14 10:15, Ross Jones wrote:
>
> Just thought I should let you know that the latest blog posts are
> up (from Francis and Mike) and are at
> http://redecentralize.org/blog/ - if anybody has anything they’d
> like
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On 09/02/2015 12:05 PM, Robert Tischer wrote:
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> RT>"open source" for me is tantamount to promiscuous copying without
> regards to ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early
> days of communism believed this was an ideal
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*bump*
Shall we have a London meetup next week?
Cheers,
Michael
On 15/01/14 16:39, Ira wrote:
> Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I
> think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or
> charging for tickets
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-31 12:17:35 topic of your choice. Any takers? Cheers Ross On 31 Jan 2014, at 12:11, Michael Rogers < michael@briarproject.org > wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 *bump* Shall we have a London meetup next week? Cheers, Michael On 15/01/14 16:39, Ira wrote: Booking C4CC will be free. Someone
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-31 11:09:09 topic of your choice. Any takers? Cheers
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Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-02-03 16:41:20 Michael Rogers <michael@briarproject.org> wrote:
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project
called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to
create a
distributed and secure P2P network which allows for
messaging and data
storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many
platforms
and to be easy to use, Avatar is implemented via JavaScript
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-02-03 10:52:25 Michael Rogers < michael@briarproject.org > wrote:
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> >> Shall we have a London meetup next week?
> >>
> >> Cheers
project
called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to
create a
distributed and secure P2P network which allows for
messaging and data
storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many
platforms
and to be easy to use, Avatar is implemented via JavaScript
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-02-03 09:04:42 Michael Rogers <michael@briarproject.org> wrote:
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On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 07:43 -0400, Robert Tischer wrote:
> Redecentralizers
mind posting a link to something about Telegram's travails? I'm interested.
There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example:
https://github.com
mind posting a link to something about Telegram's travails? I'm interested.
There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example:
https://github.com
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 15:20:26 link to something about
> Telegram's travails? I'm interested.
>
> There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging
> apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had
> a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example
about Telegram's travails? I'm interested.
>
> Â Â There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example
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On 09/02/2015 02:49 PM, Robert Tischer wrote:
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Robert, the fact you're using non-standard ways to quote email and that
you don't edit replies makes it quite difficult to follow. The "> "
prefix is something most email software
They did this at the Colorado meetup, so could ask
for hints as to what worked. But basically, install TeleHash and send
each other messages and play with simple apps on top of it.
http://www.meetup.com/SolidStateDepot/events/154226712/
Francis
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 07:10:55AM +0000, Nonmonotonix wrote
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On 09/14/2015 08:32 AM, Benjamin Heitmann wrote:
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> are there any updates on the date and format of the un-conference
other people run similar sessions on the other tools people most want (see survey on Redecentralize.org homepage) eg on state of instant messaging alternatives.Â
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FrancisÂ
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015, at 06:25 PM, will.sch wrote
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On 18/03/14 15:01, Ross Jones wrote:
> It’s been mentioned already, but ..
>
> Just in case anyone was considering making a submission for the
> latest Knight Challenge (
> https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions ) but
> was procrastinating
Looks good Eric. https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/httplocal-a-framework-for-open-architecture-web-applications
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote:
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> Just in case anyone was considering
Looks good Eric. https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/httplocal-a-framework-for-open-architecture-web-applications
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote:
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> Just in case anyone was considering
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Loomio is a really cool project! After struggling with Liquid
Democracy it was really a breath of fresh air. I'd like to talk to you
about how we might build similar tools on top of decentralised p2p
infrastructure.
Here's my Knight submission
been hearing great stuff about Briar! On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Michael Rogers < michael@briarproject.org > wrote:
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Loomio is a really cool project! After struggling with Liquid
Democracy it was really a breath of fresh air. I'd like
time to chat if you like :)
rich@loomio.org On 19 March 2014 09:41, Michael Rogers < michael@briarproject.org > wrote:
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Loomio is a really cool project! After struggling with Liquid
Democracy it was really a breath of fresh air. I'd like to talk
P S [LibreList] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-08 18:51:32 those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages
technology they're setting up/using. -- Anish On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:47 PM, hellekin < hellekin@gnu.org > wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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On 09/17/2015 09:52 AM, Anish Mangal wrote:
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> I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and
> engaging them
other people run similar sessions on the other tools people most want (see survey on Redecentralize.org homepage) eg on state of instant messaging alternatives.
Francis
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015, at 06:25 PM, will.sch wrote:
Hi,
I'm Will
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Cory Doctorow - I didn't realise this but in 1999 he was one of the
three people behind OpenCola (a P2P content sharing/searching product
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opencola_%28company%29).
N.
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Since no one else has mentioned it on this list, snaffle up a ticket here:
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/redecentralize-january-london-meetup-registration-9841361778
N.
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Hi,
Well, that was fun.
Irina talked about possible sponsorship and alternative locations for
the meetup, so I was happy to make the acquaintance of Alison Powell
(@a_b_powell) who works at LSE which appears to have lots of spare
rooms
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Real World Crypto 2014-01-08 10:20:53
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Hi all,
There are at least three groups trying to organise regular London
meetups for people working on technology for social change: Techno
Activism Third Mondays, Redecentralize, and Spring of Code. I'd like
to suggest that we pool our efforts and have
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This: http://www.techcityinsider.net/redecentralization/
Featuring Ira and Smári.
Enjoy.
N.
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maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 17:46:44 project
called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a
distributed and secure P2P network which allows for messaging and data
storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many platforms
and to be easy to use, Avatar is implemented via JavaScript
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Hi,
There's lots of interesting things going on but we're all so
(physically) far apart. For example, I live in the middle-of-nowhere
rural England and, earlier this week, Francis was in Liverpool (miles
away from me) giving a talk about
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Hi all,
This is my first email to this list so here's a short introduction :)
I am a free-software and open-education volunteer mainly working on
the XSCE (short for School Server Community Edition) project. I've
volunteered for the OLPC project
Stephan Tual [LibreList] London panelist? 2014-04-25 14:50:43 Hello Everyone, my first message to this list so please be gentle :)
I'm the CCO for Ethereum. If you're not familiar with this project, here's a quick summary: "Ethereum is a platform that makes it possible for any developer to write and distribute next-generation decentralized applications
Tic Nticsebastian [LibreList] (no subject) 2014-05-28 00:08:52 sense. There are a lot of other useful tools that we may use, like ArkOS on the raspberry's the Serval project for free messages and call's inside a city by using a hybrid "android access point". And many, many more that are here on your site. Eventually
Francis Irving [LibreList] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 09:04:56 FireChat, an iPhone app that does mesh network messaging, had an
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to,
and paywalled anyway).
It seems to be one app of a thing called OpenGarden, which is a
meshnetwork thingy for iPhones:
http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001
The Economist
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Hello List!
I gave a talk about politics and peer-to-peer at this week's
EuroPython conference in Berlin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSKmecZ09E
As always, comments, suggestions and critique most welcome!
All the best,
Nicholas.
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Hi all!
I run this meetup [0] since 6 months now, and I'd like to do a blog
(that might be translated in portuguese also)
I was thinking to join your effort, and maybe publish from your platform?
What do you think? Would
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I'm heading up to London next week for the FLOSS4P2P unconference and
I'm wondering if there is any one else heading there?
P.S. why is this news group so quiet?
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Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] London panelist? 2014-04-25 08:01:11 area, sounds super interesting! Jer On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Stephan Tual < stephan@ethereum.org > wrote:
Hello Everyone, my first message to this list so please be gentle :)
I'm the CCO for Ethereum. If you're not familiar with this project, here's a quick summary
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-27 23:24:13 sense. There are a lot of other useful tools that we may use, like ArkOS on the raspberry's the Serval project for free messages and call's inside a city by using a hybrid "android access point". And many, many more that are here on your site. Eventually
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-28 00:20:46 sense. There are a lot of other useful tools that we may use, like ArkOS on the raspberry's the Serval project for free messages and call's inside a city by using a hybrid "android access point". And many, many more that are here on your site. Eventually
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 02:10:03 Steve On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote:
FireChat, an iPhone app that does mesh network messaging, had an
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to,
and paywalled anyway).
It seems
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 10:33:41 Steve On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: FireChat, an iPhone app that does mesh network messaging, had an
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to,
and paywalled anyway).
It seems
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 08:29:42 Steve
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Francis
Irving < francis@flourish.org >
wrote:
FireChat, an iPhone app that does
mesh network messaging, had an
article in the Economist this month
(can't find it to link to,
and paywalled anyway).
It seems
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:35:02 Steve
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Francis
Irving < francis@flourish.org >
wrote:
FireChat, an iPhone app that does
mesh network messaging, had an
article in the Economist this month
(can't find it to link to,
and paywalled anyway).
It seems
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:17:33 Steve
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Francis
Irving < francis@flourish.org >
wrote:
FireChat, an iPhone app that does
mesh network messaging, had an
article in the Economist this month
(can't find it to link to,
and paywalled anyway).
It seems
port 80 is HTTP to block the people running other apps on it. Result: All the apps start actually using HTTP, now your messaging app is vulnerable to XSRF for no good reason. Meanwhile they add kitchen sink support to the HTTP protocol in order to support all of this
port 80 is HTTP to block the people running other apps on it. Result: All the apps start actually using HTTP, now your messaging app is vulnerable to XSRF for no good reason. Meanwhile they add kitchen sink support to the HTTP protocol in order to support all of this
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Hi Adam,
This is a great post. I share your frustration with the difficulty of
building decentralised systems that are usable, efficient and secure.
But I have some doubts about your argument.
I don't think the Tsitsiklis/Xu paper tells us anything about
centralisation
first 5 minutes so rewatching now :) Great talk. On 25 July 2014 10:32, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote:
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Hello List!
I gave a talk about politics and peer-to-peer at this week's
EuroPython conference in Berlin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSKmecZ09E
first 5 minutes so rewatching now :) Great talk. On 25 July 2014 10:32, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote:
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Hello List!
I gave a talk about politics and peer-to-peer at this week's
EuroPython conference in Berlin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSKmecZ09E
first 5 minutes so rewatching now :) Great talk. On 25 July 2014 10:32, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote:
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Hello List!
I gave a talk about politics and peer-to-peer at this week's
EuroPython conference in Berlin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSKmecZ09E
first 5 minutes so rewatching now :) Great talk. On 25 July 2014 10:32, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote:
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Hello List!
I gave a talk about politics and peer-to-peer at this week's
EuroPython conference in Berlin.
The Return
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On 02/08/14 00:07, Adam Ierymenko wrote:
> I just started a personal blog, and my first post includes some
> thoughts I've wanted to get down for a while:
>
> http://adamierymenko.com/decentralization-i-want-to-believe/
>
Bravo Adam,
You have succinctly put into
join. Anybody can
participate. With Askemos you get close-join. Like WhatsApp: the
owner needs to accept the other party before messages are taken.
Actually I'm currently gathering more info towards a fair
comparison. Comments welcome:
http://ball.askemos.org/?_v=wiki&_id=1786
Sorry, this was supposed to be a
private message.
(But hitting "reply" instead of "reply to list" sends it to the
list anyways.)
One more question: am I correct to understand that zerotier serves
essentially the same purpose as cjdns?
https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns
Thanks
Wittenberger < Joerg.Wittenberger@softeyes.net > wrote:
Sorry, this was supposed to be a
private message.
(But hitting "reply" instead of "reply to list" sends it to the
list anyways.)
One more question: am I correct to understand that zerotier serves
essentially the same purpose as cjdns?
https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns
Thanks
Wittenberger < Joerg.Wittenberge
r@softeyes.net > wrote:
Sorry, this was supposed to be a
private message.
(But hitting "reply" instead of "reply to list" sends it to the
list anyways.)
One more question: am I correct to understand that zerotier serves
essentially the same purpose as cjdns?
https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns
Thanks
Wittenberger < Joerg.Wittenberge
r@softeyes.net > wrote:
Sorry, this was supposed to be a
private message.
(But hitting "reply" instead of "reply to list" sends it to the
list anyways.)
One more question: am I correct to understand that zerotier serves
essentially the same purpose as cjdns?
https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns
Thanks
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On 03/08/14 13:56, Jörg F. Wittenberger wrote:
> Nicholas: does Drogulus have an idea about contracts? Should I include
> it in the comparison or does it not qualify? I'm not sure. See here:
> http://ball.askemos.org/?_v=wiki&_id=1786
away. If the large majority of the nodes are Sybils that's where the inefficiency comes from. You would essentially have to broadcast the message in order to find a path that contains no Sybils. Trust should be able to solve the problem by making available several "trusted" paths only
agents (be them accounts
>> representing human users or automated, autonomous processes)
>> communicating via asynchronous, unreliable, unidirectional
>> messages. That's how we observe human interaction in writing.
>> Humans or juristic persons sending letters, registered mail etc.
>>
> Again, quite. Actually
Without that it's just self-signed certificates.
By contrast, broadcasting could theoretically solve the availability problem for everyone. If anyone can broadcast a message and have it be received by everyone else then you've essentially solved the problem. The trouble is the efficiency. That's just the nature
take the human intent
out of the game. (In our model, agents representing users may be
free send arbitrary messages. Akin to no regulation and freedom of
expression.)
I can use software to break the law, and I can use the law to
break software
this seems to replicate data. Does it protect
against malicious updates too? It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs to deal with convergence, but the systemic model for security is the reputation system
here: this seems to replicate data. Does it
protect
against malicious updates too?
It creates a verifiable log only -- the content of the
messages is an application concern. We're looking at CRDTs
to deal with convergence, but the systemic model for
security is the reputation system.
CRDT = "Cambodian
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On 06/09/14 19:23, P S wrote:
> Has anyone used Tribler or reviewed the protocols and technical
> papers?
>
> https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/wiki
I'm a part-time member of the research group that produces Tribler - I
don't work on Tribler
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On 19/08/14 20:52, Adam Ierymenko wrote:
> Getting to this a bit belatedly… :)
Likewise. :-)
> If you’ve been reading the other thread, we’re talking a lot about
> trust and I’m starting to agree with David
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On 20/10/14 00:59, Dominic Tarr wrote:
> hello redecentralizers
>
> If you happen to be handy to Paris in mid-december, then you may be
> interested in attending squatconf, or speaking there!
>
November the 15th according to the site. Unfortunately
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] squatconf 2014-10-20 10:58:22 being organized in #squatconf on freenode On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> hello redecentralizers
>
> If you happen to be handy to Paris in mid-december
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That's what I did!
http://redecentralize.org/interviews/2013/07/15/01-ntoll-drogulus.html
(them interviewing me)
and...
http://redecentralize.org/about/ (me interviewing them)
I think this is a great idea. :-)
N.
On 01/12/14 10:23, Steve Phillips wrote:
> /"Everyone’s time is valuable, and often
other words, you're AMAZING.
Thanks!!!
-- nando
2014-12-01 12:10 GMT+01:00, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll@ntoll.org>:
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> http://redecentralize.org/interviews/2013/07/15/01-ntoll-drogulus.html
> (them interviewing
other words, you're AMAZING.
Thanks!!!
-- nando
2014-12-01 12:10 GMT+01:00, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org >:
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sake of
simplicity.
See you there !
Le 08/03/2015 02:03, Nick B-T a écrit :
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I'm heading up to London next week for the FLOSS4P2P unconference and
I'm wondering if there is any one else heading there
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On 09/17/2015 09:52 AM, Anish Mangal wrote:
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> I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and
> engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind when I
> shared this email, and second, the larger
crit :
> How is "redecentralization" compatible with proprietary software at all?
It is not. I think this is the first message of this kind received on the
list.
> In the interview, I had understood that the project was about "open
> source" solutions. Now, open
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> I think you're in the right place, people trying to sell proprietary
> stuff are not.
>
> Welcome here hellekin !
>
> taziden
>
Hey taziden!
Glad to see you here
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> are there any updates on the date and format of the un-conference?
>
I already have a train going to London on the 16th and leaving on the
19th. So I hope
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>
> Now the ownCloud Conf is over I'm trying to wrap things up. There was
one
> announcement I think you folk find interesting: https://owncloud.org/c
onnect/
>
They use Pagekite
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-17 08:09:46 blame faulty text completion/correction for any rudeness!
On Sep 16, 2015 9:16 PM, "hellekin" < hellekin@gnu.org > wrote:
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> >
> > Now the ownCloud Conf
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On 09/17/2015 03:09 AM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
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> Oh, that is an interesting point, yes. And with the .onion
> domain, one can be reached from the 'normal' web, too?
>
'Normal' Web users only use DNS to resolve their names
other people run similar sessions on the other tools
> people most want (see survey on Redecentralize.org homepage) eg on state
> of instant messaging alternatives.
>
> Francis
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015, at 06:25 PM, will.sch wrote
will.sch [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Webcasts / Periscope 2015-10-16 15:17:45 spaces which will have various things going on. If people want use Periscope as well I think it's a good idea. Will -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Webcasts / Periscope Time (UTC): October 16 2015 4:21 pm From: joakimstai@gmail.com To: redecentralize@librelist.com +1, I'd be very grateful
Adrien [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 09:07:00 want me to have it done (only a mailing list, no fancy stuff!).
And sorry if I have hurt someone with my previous message, but yeah, I
don't like Google. I know that it's difficult to live without them but
at least concerning the mailing list
bulk of the internet, so it would be very interesting to see more on decentralized self-publishing platforms. For personal use, cross-platform secure/private/anon messaging and calls would be fantastic
pairspace@gmail.com > wrote:
For those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade.
7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages
-- konklone.com | @konklone
nowhere...
But note the usability requirement! Which very few things pass.
Alas, not even Signal - in my experience it doesn't reliably deliver
messages.
Francis
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A Pythonista buddy Tarek has written about de-Googling /
de-Facebooking his life (he's works for Mozilla):
http://ziade.org/2013/06/24/shutting-down-facebook-amp-google/
Maybe some interesting stuff in there...
N.
On 09/12/13 13:22, Francis Irving wrote:
> Whats the list of services you're using
thought and
analysis from rather hand-wavy philosophical problems to some of the
concrete technical work we've been doing on FriendSecure (the message
passing system) and the drogulus (the universal DHT).
You say you want to hear about what we can do:
How about thinking carefully and deeply about
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Ideas from London meetup 2013-12-15 17:07:41 anyone is arround, ping me ! Benjamin ANDRE - +33 (0)6 86 25 36 66 - Cozy.io
2013/12/15 Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org >
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Anyone known any friendly Icelanders who may like to help..?
N.
On 14/12/13 22:18, Ira wrote:
> Wooo conference in Iceland
pairspace@gmail.com > wrote:
For those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade.
7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages
-- konklone.com | @konklone
pairspace@gmail.com > wrote:
For those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade.
7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages
-- konklone.com | @konklone
-- konklone.com | @konklone
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I can write something for a blog post - probably about the p4p2p work
done at the sprint in Germany in November (see http://p4p2p.net/).
It'd be good to know who's writing what so we avoid collisions of
subject matter
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] A blog post 2013-12-18 18:41:47 January would be fine). Decentralizly :-)
Benjamin ANDRE - +33 (0)6 86 25 36 66 - Cozy.io
2013/12/18 Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org >
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I can write something for a blog post - probably about the p4p2p work
done at the sprint in Germany in November
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Anyone known any friendly Icelanders who may like to help..?
N.
On 14/12/13 22:18, Ira wrote:
> Wooo conference in Iceland! I can't wait ;)
>
>
> On 10 December 2013 08:45, Ross Jones <ross@servercode.co.uk
> <mailto:ross@servercode.co.uk
project
called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a
distributed and secure P2P network which allows for messaging and data
storage, among others. In order to be able to run on as many platforms
and to be easy to use, Avatar is implemented via JavaScript
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Hello everyone!
My name is Jacob Cook, you may know me from the interview I did with
Irina for Redecentralize.org. I work on arkOS, the free and open
source self-hosting server platform. (that's a mouthful :D) Geared
toward easily managing/hosting your websites
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It certainly sounds like an interesting proposition. I've been holding
off because Docker hasn't yet been reliably working on the Pi, but it
sounds like it is getting better all the time and should be considered
"stable" fairly soon
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On 18/12/13 08:52, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:
> Since no one else has mentioned it on this list, snaffle up a ticket here:
>
> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/redecentralize-january-london-meetup-registration-9841361778
>
> N.
>
Yeah, I thought this stuff would be advertised on the newsletter list
Richard Marr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Ideas from London meetup 2013-12-19 10:27:55 anyone is arround, ping me !
Benjamin ANDRE - +33 (0)6 86 25 36 66 - Cozy.io
2013/12/15 Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org >
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N.
On 14/12/13 22:18, Ira wrote:
> Wooo conference in Iceland
anyone is arround, ping me !
Benjamin ANDRE - +33 (0)6 86 25 36 66 - Cozy.io
2013/12/15 Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org >
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Anyone known any friendly Icelanders who may like to help..?
N.
On 14/12/13 22:18, Ira wrote:
> Wooo conference in Iceland
anyone is arround, ping me ! Benjamin ANDRE - +33 (0)6 86 25 36 66 - Cozy.io
2013/12/15 Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org >
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N.
On 14/12/13 22:18, Ira wrote:
> Wooo conference in Iceland
Richard Marr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Ideas from London meetup 2013-12-19 14:26:27 anyone is arround, ping me !
Benjamin ANDRE - +33 (0)6 86 25 36 66 - Cozy.io
2013/12/15 Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org >
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Anyone known any friendly Icelanders who may like to help..?
N.
On 14/12/13 22:18, Ira wrote:
> Wooo conference in Iceland
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> For the benefit of those of us that couldn’t make it, but might be
> interested in events in Germany … could you elucidate?
>
Yes.
At last year's Europython Holger Krekel
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Wow, that's a pretty hardcore diagram!
Any key projects on it that are missing from this list?
https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet
Francis
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 06:08:24PM +0000, Benjamin Heitmann wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> I found this
other approaches.Â
Scott On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Jacob Cook < jacob@jcook.cc > wrote:
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My name is Jacob Cook, you may know me from the interview I did with
Irina for Redecentralize.org. I work on arkOS
hard to ignore. Any counter thoughts?
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote:
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Wow, that's a pretty hardcore diagram!
Any key projects on it that are missing from this list?
https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet
Francis
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Hi Tim,
I can't make it to January's meetup, but it should be straightforward
to convert a fingerprint into a QR code using the ZXing library, and
then to extend that into a basic PGP fingerprint exchange app.
http://stackoverflow.com/a/5505053
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> > https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet
those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade.
>
> 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages
>
>
>
--
Do *you* have an awesome idea you never quite manage to do?
http://www.awesomefoundation.org/en/chapters/liverpool/
those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade.
>
> 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:
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> Â Â http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages
>
>
>
--
Do *you* have an awesome idea you never quite manage
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Hello,
o Scott Jenson on 12/30/2013 04:26 AM:
> Hello,
>
> I'm Scott Jenson. I'm on a quest to unleash the web from the URL
> bar. I want any smart device to be able to broadcast
those who haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade.
>>
>> 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization:
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages
>
> --
> Do *you* have an awesome idea you never quite manage
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 18:29:36 haven't seen the now-dormant list, it was active in early part of the 00 decade. > >> > >> 7000+ messages on P2P and decentralization: > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages
> > > > -- > > Do *you* have an awesome idea
than the official install process.
-- Eric On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jacob Cook < jacob@jcook.cc > wrote:
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It certainly sounds like an interesting proposition. I've been holding
off because Docker hasn't yet been reliably working
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2015-09-07 08:47:29 Anish, welcome to the list :) On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 17:32 Anish Mangal < anishmg@umich.edu > wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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This is my first email to this list so here's a short introduction :)
I am a free-software and open-education volunteer
than the official install process.
-- Eric On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jacob Cook < jacob@jcook.cc > wrote:
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It certainly sounds like an interesting proposition. I've been holding
off because Docker hasn't yet been reliably working
Germany … could you elucidate?
Thanks
Ross
On 8 Jan 2014, at 10:12, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll@ntoll.org> wrote:
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> Well, that was fun.
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> Irina talked about possible sponsorship and alternative locations
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 06:03:22 working :)
Jer
> On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:49 AM, "Nicholas H.Tollervey" <ntoll@ntoll.org> wrote:
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Hi JC,
Thanks for introducing yourself! I'm very pleased to hear about your
XMPP webchat client. Does it have a standalone version, or does it
need to be integrated into one of the cited frameworks? I would be
happy to integrate a standalone
centralized hosting removed optionality. Agree/disagree?
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Jacob Cook < jacob@peakwinter.net > wrote:
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Hi JC,
Thanks for introducing yourself! I'm very pleased to hear about your
XMPP webchat client. Does it have a standalone version
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 11:34:27 Steve On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote:
FireChat, an iPhone app that does mesh network messaging, had an
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to,
and paywalled anyway).
It seems