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Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
research it more deeply, but I suspect that Askemos' protocols could be implemented in this extensions-architecture as a set of reltypes. It might be used to cluster multiple Worker scripts and remote services which all implement the same reltypes, but which are all written by different authors, in order /...\ Paul's posting in private mail, just accidentally hit the wrong button. By now I could imagine that other members of the list might actually like to follow or at least know that they don't miss a related discussion.  So I keep posting via the list. Those /...\ read more deeply. I'm not a native English speaker. Notably here I'm inclined to say "yes", but then in turn I might have gotten your sentence the wrong way around.  I rather explain: Assumptions: A) There is no trust in any remote machine and at most
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
Paul's posting in private mail, just accidentally hit the wrong button. By now I could imagine that other members of the list might actually like to follow or at least know that they don't miss a related discussion. So I keep posting via the list. Those /...\ more deeply. I'm not a native English speaker. Notably here I'm inclined to say "yes", but then in turn I might have gotten your sentence the wrong way around. I rather explain: Assumptions: A) There is no trust in any remote machine and at most temporary /...\ autonomous from any party's dissenting interest. (Only majority dissent will stop them.) Since we guarantee (by a simple, yet clever rule how permissions might be assigned) that no person can impersonate any other, > The trust question I'm investigating is application-integrity during third-party extension. Autonomy means
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
weakest. The key is to find something better from the context of the relationship. Even if you live far apart you might be able to meet once and exchange keys. If you have a mutual trusted friend you can use that. If you have an existing organizational hierarchy then /...\ Maybe the question is whether there are any new *solutions* to the old problems. Some combination of global instantaneous communication and digital storage might make it harder for people to behave dishonestly or inconsistently without getting caught. But then we're back to computing trust. And maybe that /...\ deep, deep dive into the block chain technology. I get the very basic surface of it, but I am really curious about how it might be used as part of a solution to the trust bootstrapping problem. If hybrid overlapping heterogeneous solutions are the way forward for network robustness, then
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
sense that my way is the right way - but I do > recognize > > that it is important to discuss things which people might not be a > ware > > of on their own when they first get online, and make their own > decisions /...\ fashion. > > - Is afraid of people uploading objectionable content which may pose a > > threat to the network (i.e. some govt. agency might use it as an > excuse > > to shut it down) so wants to grow this slowly in a trust building kind /...\ that you're right, and they should come to > agreement with > > your position if only they had the correct information. It might not > > feel like this, but it's the case. Many cultures around the world > have > > conflicting world with the global
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 21:02:50
certainly in the sense that my way is the right way - but I do recognize that it is important to discuss things which people might not be aware of on their own when they first get online, and make their own decisions - and being free of bias while doing that /...\ access in a controlled fashion. - Is afraid of people uploading objectionable content which may pose a threat to the network (i.e. some govt. agency might use it as an excuse to shut it down) so wants to grow this slowly in a trust building kind of fashion. So, here /...\ assumption that you're right, and they should come to agreement with your position if only they had the correct information.  It might not feel like this, but it's the case.  Many cultures around the world have conflicting world with the global Western approach
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
sense that my way is the right way - but I do recognize > that it is important to discuss things which people might not be a ware > of on their own when they first get online, and make their own decisions > - and being free of bias while doing /...\ controlled fashion. > - Is afraid of people uploading objectionable content which may pose a > threat to the network (i.e. some govt. agency might use it as an excuse > to shut it down) so wants to grow this slowly in a trust building kind > of fashion /...\ assumption that you're right, and they should come to agreement with > your position if only they had the correct information. It might not > feel like this, but it's the case. Many cultures around the world have > conflicting world with the global Western approach
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
sense that my way is the right way - but I do recognize > that it is important to discuss things which people might not be a ware > of on their own when they first get online, and make their own decisions > - and being free of bias while doing /...\ controlled fashion. > - Is afraid of people uploading objectionable content which may pose a > threat to the network (i.e. some govt. agency might use it as an excuse > to shut it down) so wants to grow this slowly in a trust building kind > of fashion /...\ that you're right, and they should come to agreement with > your position if only they had the correct information.  It might not > feel like this, but it's the case.  Many cultures around the world have > conflicting world with the global Western
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:52:55
know the protocol, the port, or the content of that data. They’re *pretty* blind. I have a suspicion it might be possible to do better than that, to make the blind idiot… umm… blinder. It would be significantly easier if it weren /...\ works. When I see something like that — repeated tries, repeated failures, but everyone still wants it — I start to suspect that there might be a law of nature at work. To give an extreme case — probably a more extreme case than this one — people have been /...\ anything “routine” or huge-scale. … that is unless someone invents something new. I have wondered if linear coding schemes might offer a way to make onion routing more efficient, but that there would be an awfully big research project that I don’t have time
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 15:58:16
actual approach, the peer-(super) peer-peer idea, finesses the problem nicely. Instead of "I am Spartacus," "I am the blind idiot god." Still, might attackers find a vulnerability there? In order to assure the efficiency you desire, someone must provide some resources intended to act as the superpeer /...\ central points without the downsides. I'm working on a follow-up blog post going into more detail about zero-knowledge hubs and what might be required there. If I can find the time I might try to hack something up, but don't count on it in the next
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 11:31:57
signature - a cryptographic signature generated using the creator's > private key with the fields described above. When it comes to contracts, one might find it a good idea to define a slightly higher level hash function: extract (or attach) relevant information to assert provenance: creator, witness, time /...\ data I *really* care about which I can physically secure. At this point we can ask how we may update automated agents. Sometimes they might just have a single owner, but often control is to be purposefully split. At this point the GET/PUT semantics are no longer enough. We need /...\ allow a single computer to compute the update and then somehow copy the new state to other peers. After all the origin peer might be a traitor. We need autonomy from individual intent for these agents. Therefore we have several peers (notaries) commissioned to backup the process and verify proposed
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:04:36
enhance power imbalances. Most of these problems come out the sheer size of states and corporations, and most of the normal human interactions that might protect against abuse assume relatively small groups. A sports club, church community, even a village, are all self managing. Regulation still happens, but the detection /...\ These are, I suspect, human things. Humans are interacting, and humans need to address problems. As a direct outcome of the human model, we might look at community size. This depends on the facilities being offered. Distributed search, YaCy, for example, could have a very large number of users. Social /...\ networks, on the other hand, might need very focused small communities. I can imagine a sort of federated facility, using something like Diaspora, where smallish groups can share a server, but servers can talk to each other in some limited way to allow for groups that overlap. Problems can then
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
deep, deep dive into the block chain technology. I get the very basic surface of it, but I am really curious about how it might be used as part of a solution to the trust bootstrapping problem. If hybrid overlapping heterogenous solutions are the way forward for network robustness, then /...\ percentage of defecting peers down to the point where you can start looking at the Byzantine fault tolerance algorithms to detect them, which might even allow defecting peers to be algorithmically ejected from the trusted group. This is basic to any relayed crypto peer to peer system including /...\ think the harder thing is defending not against Sybils vs. the data itself but Sybils vs the infrastructure. Criminals, enemy governments, authoritarian governments, etc. might just want to take the network down, exploit it to carry out a DDOS amplification attack against other targets, or make it unsuitable
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
cryptographic signature generated using >> the creator's private key with the fields described above. > > When it comes to contracts, one might find it a good idea to define > a slightly higher level hash function: extract (or attach) relevant > information to assert provenance: creator, witness /...\ about > which I can physically secure. > > At this point we can ask how we may update automated agents. > Sometimes they might just have a single owner, but often control is > to be purposefully split. At this point the GET/PUT semantics are > no longer enough /...\ single computer to > compute the update and then somehow copy the new state to other > peers. After all the origin peer might be a traitor. We need > autonomy from individual intent for these agents. Therefore we > have several peers (notaries) commissioned to backup the process
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-04 10:32:38
schrieb Paul Frazee: Multiple-server verification is a guard against untrusted peers, not closed source. That's the point.  People might not share their opinion regarding open source.  Still they might want at least some trust among each other /...\ meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 11:17:34
with the assumption that you're right, and they should come to agreement with your position if only they had the correct information. It might not feel like this, but it's the case. Many cultures around the world have conflicting world with the global Western approach. The Western mind /...\ that you're right and your interlocutor needs to be educated, then you're not ready to listen to them and understand where you might be wrong. An awful lot of ideologies today assume that "progress" is "good", that "democracy" is "necessary
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] RDC 15 Session idea: The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ? 2015-10-16 09:14:48
conference. Initially I was planning to see if there is an interest in a session on “decentralised personalisation”.  You might have seen my proposal in the list of examples.  However, in the light of last weeks developments around the Safe Harbour ruling of the CJEU /...\ finally jumpstarts a cornucopia of new business models ?  (Hint: I don’t really know ;)  For background on why the CJEU ruling might not be as easily ignored as the big US companies are hoping,  this Ars Technica UK article has a good explanation:  http://arstechnica.co.uk
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] London panelist? 2014-04-25 08:01:11
middle if supporting transparent mesh connectivity over BLE and 802.15.4 as well... I'll see if there's anyone in our community that might be able to join, wish I was in the area, sounds super interesting! Jer On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Stephan Tual < stephan@ethereum.org /...\ view :(  Can anyone put me in touch with a decentralized networking expert, ideally someone with a completely opensource project (hardware or software), who might be available in London towards the end of May? Thank you! --  Stephan Tual Chief Communications Officer Ethereum.org
Eva Pascoe [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 Session idea: The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ? 2015-10-16 10:55:10
planning to see if there is an interest in a session on “decentralised personalisation”.  You might have seen my proposal in the list of examples.  However, in the light of last weeks developments around the Safe Harbour ruling /...\ business models ?  (Hint: I don’t really know ;)  For background on why the CJEU ruling might not be as easily ignored as the big US companies are hoping,  this Ars Technica UK article has a good explanation:  http://arstechnica.co.uk
Mikko Kotila [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 20:47:00
poorer, die younger and have less access to education, due to their rich culture there is something more than that. I mean we might have great appreciation for the culture, but at the same time we might be ambitious with our own interest. Even when there is no extra ambition
Peter Rushforth [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-08-03 10:24:00
HTML,  and we have developed what we think is a "Try" level offering.  Hopefully if people try it out they might consider joining our group (strength in numbers) and commenting on any issues they find.  The objective is to become a "Share" level offering /...\ demo page is here:  https://www.webcomponents.org/element/Maps4HTML/Web-Map-Custom-Element   I wrote a blog post talking about progressive web maps , which might give you an idea of our objectives. The (custom element) client can be installed for your web site (if you have bower) with : "bower install
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
networks too. I think this work has po litical and philosophical implications inasmuch as the same information theoretic principles that govern computer networks might also operate in human ones. > If we can fix it here, maybe it can help us find new ways of fixing it there /...\ other way around for that matter. Look at the societies that work best and see how they do it. > I wonder what might be done if we could pair mesh nets with broadcast media? Has anyone looked into that? I picture a digitally encoded shortwave analog
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-21 11:23:12
networks too. I think this work has po litical and philosophical implications inasmuch as the same information theoretic principles that govern computer networks might also operate in human ones. If we can fix it here, maybe it can help us find new ways of fixing it there. And networks /...\ analogy.  Not only would it be too complicated, we *know* there are inconsistencies at least in law. (Let alone custom!)  Which we might want to fix. The useful isomorphism is pretty obvious.  At least to computer scientists, lawyers and ethics professionals as it turned out during
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 14:41:22
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 13:51:28
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-24 22:15:06
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-25 11:58:19
often employing a single prechosen strategy. Constraints limit software, but do not dominate the situation as in law. At this point we might want to subclass "software".  Customer grade software as you're talking about here look like the assembly instructions coming with your furniture /...\ program everything I can understand well enough to express it in a formal language. This risk is that in formalizing law, we might discover inconsistencies
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
much harder to break into an tamper with the data; but also those banks would have to share information about users balances, which they might not want to.)  This case could be arranged to run the users account at the users peer too. B) citibank.com could be just /...\ research it more deeply, but I suspect that Askemos' protocols could be implemented in this extensions-architecture as a set of reltypes. It might be used to cluster multiple Worker scripts and remote services which all implement the same reltypes, but which are all written by different authors, in order
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:14:11
emphasize decentralized systems beyond what many are accustomed to hearing about / using. When people hear "open source" or "p2p" they might think of Ubuntu, or Android (regarding open source OSs) or Bittorrent, or Piratebay (in terms of things that come to mind if an ordinary human /...\ tech). Given the news about Bitcoin it's a sure bet at least some people if asked on the street might also say 'Bitcoin' (or alternately, "what's P2P?" or "Software!") So you'll get a lot of responses and responses will vary substantially, but this
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
much harder to break into an tamper with the data; but also those banks would have to share information about users balances, which they might not want to.)  This case could be arranged to run the users account at the users peer too. B) citibank.com could be just /...\ research it more deeply, but I suspect that Askemos' protocols could be implemented in this extensions-architecture as a set of reltypes. It might be used to cluster multiple Worker scripts and remote services which all implement the same reltypes, but which are all written by different authors, in order
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 16:07:34
into the software we wrote as a proof of anything. That would be pseudo-scientific and no proof at all.  After all we might have a bug there anyway. You are however welcome to review the concept.  If you find any flaw please publish and inform /...\ find any, I hope you might find the results useful for you. You are also invited to hack around in the software.  If you find bugs or security vulnerabilities please report. We also need some good coders.  E.g. we'd like to have alternatives the SSL layer (currently
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-03 14:56:05
sorry for following up my own post. (So far I got some responses, though not via the list.) I gather that this might be interesting to the list too: Am 29.07.2014 09:57, schrieb "Jörg F. Wittenberger": > Hi all, > > I'm gathering infos /...\ even be hacked without affecting the execution of the contract. This is the same concept as Askemos deploys. However: when written like this, one might assume the 7 was a number one could choose arbitrarily. That's an unfortunate wording. One could assume the 6-of-10 could work
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 14:38:21
want to emphasize decentralized systems beyond what many are accustomed to hearing about / using. When people hear "open source" or "p2p" they might think of Ubuntu, or Android (regarding open source OSs) or Bittorrent, or Piratebay (in terms of things that come to mind if an ordinary human is asked /...\ tech).  Given the news about Bitcoin it's a sure bet at least some people if asked on the street might also say 'Bitcoin' (or alternately, "what's P2P?" or "Software!")  So you'll get a lot of responses and responses will vary substantially, but this
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier now has seed funding 2015-04-02 19:03:43
benefits and actions for download etc. I would love some example case studies to see - what is possible, how someone has benefited that I might identify with. Best of luck, keep up the good work and keep us updated! Ira On 1 April 2015 at 02:15, Paul Frazee /...\ funding Paul F On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Hey all, Many of you might remember this project from a while back. Just wanted to share the news: https://www.zerotier.com/blog/?p=356 -Adam Ierymenko -- Irina Bolychevsky @shevski
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 12:22:12
software we wrote as a proof of anything. That would be pseudo-scientific and no proof at all.  After all we might have a bug there anyway. You are however welcome to review the concept.  If you find any flaw please publish and inform /...\ find any, I hope you might find the results useful for you. You are also invited to hack around in the software.  If you find bugs or security vulnerabilities please report. We also need some good coders.  E.g. we'd like to have alternatives
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] How can we strengthen the Internet for free expression and innovation? 2014-03-19 10:02:05
project! After struggling with Liquid Democracy it was really a breath of fresh air. I'd like to talk to you about how we might build similar tools on top of decentralised p2p infrastructure. Here's my Knight submission for Briar: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/secure-messaging-anywhere Cheers, Michael On 18/03/14
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 13:41:47
following you. How might this differ from Gnunet and Freenet? Paul F On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Johan Pouwelse < peer2peer@gmail.com > wrote: Hi All, Indeed, Shadow Internet has a negative connotation to some. It's not easy to explain Tribler quickly. Basically we have
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 22:18:20
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 17:46:44
Some of you might already have heard of it. There is a new project called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a distributed and secure P2P network which allows for messaging and data storage, among others. In order to be able
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] ZeroTier One for Windows 2014-03-07 15:52:33
supports Windows 7 and 8 and Windows Server 2008 or newer. Windows Vista and XP are not supported. Vista has a few issues and might be supported in the future, while XP will probably never be supported due to a number of missing network and driver related API functions
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Local.js framework 2014-03-15 17:31:04
goal is to improve user autonomy from hosts by freely extending Web software at runtime. If anybody wants to discuss how they might put the framework to use in an application, feel free to email me ( pfrazee@gmail.com ) or ping me at #httpl in freenode. Be well, Paul
Nina Bianchi [LibreList] Internet blackout simulation workshop @ Eyebeam 2014-03-21 11:07:46
might be interested in checking this out in April  http://eyebeam.org/events/eyebeam-square-an-internet-blackout-simulation-event   Eyebeam (if you aren't already familiar) is a great space / org. With everything going on in Turkey, the timing is right. I'll be helping a bit at the event. Lots of mesh folks (through
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Wanted: arkOS Volunteer Associate Program Director 2014-03-26 14:33:41
Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa or New York City, check it out: https://citizenweb.is/news/2014/03/assistant-program-director/ Please share far and wide if you know someone who might be interested. Thanks! -- Jacob Cook <jacob@peakwinter.net> https://peakwinter.net
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] Any updates on the un-conference? 2015-09-14 12:32:33
David Burns [LibreList] meowbit enables .bit domains on windows 2014-03-31 08:56:31
already been discussed. http://meowbit.com/ Install meowbit and your browsers and apps can see .bit web pages (windows only unfortunately). Seems like recentralize might want to interview someone from that project. There is a similar project called freespeechme that enables .bit for firefox browsers only, on windows or linux
Stephan Tual [LibreList] London panelist? 2014-04-25 14:50:43
view :(  Can anyone put me in touch with a decentralized networking expert, ideally someone with a completely opensource project (hardware or software), who might be available in London towards the end of May? Thank you! --  Stephan Tual Chief Communications Officer Ethereum.org
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 09:45:30
hear status updates on people's projects. That'll give everyone a chance to hear again about projects they might not know about or had lost track of. Just a quick breakdown: what's the project, what's the latest milestone, what's in development now, and what
Francis Irving [LibreList] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 09:04:56
meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-07-29 09:57:54
Ethereum, OpenTransactions, Ricardian Contracts. What about: Drogulus, does it do contracts? Which did I miss? Should I compare other properties too? Note that info might be wrong or I'm missing things. Please correct me. Thanks for you comments and suggestions. http://ball.askemos.org/?_v=wiki&_id=1786
Ross Jones [LibreList] The D14N project 2014-08-05 13:33:32
effort. In the meantime, if you’ve got space for one more mailing-list (and really, what’s one more …) it might be worth signing up. Cheers Ross
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Blog lisbon? 2014-08-06 08:33:15
SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all! I run this meetup [0] since 6 months now, and I'd like to do a blog (that might be translated in portuguese also) I was thinking to join your effort, and maybe publish from your platform? What do you think? Would it make
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] ZeroTier now has seed funding 2015-03-31 12:13:15
Many of you might remember this project from a while back. Just wanted to share the news: https://www.zerotier.com/blog/?p=356 -Adam Ierymenko
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 14:07:49
simply don't sync data between my devices because there's no _open source_ software that _securely_ allows me to do so. Tahoe-LAFS might be good enough, since at least I could access my data from everywhere, but it doesn't even have an Android client! I self-host
Francis Irving [LibreList] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-24 21:52:52
makes sense, and some groups are organising team meetups around the same time.   Please share the conference page with people you think might want to go!   And sign up if you think you'll want tickets.   Francis
Ira [LibreList] Feminist hackers + conference 2015-09-08 08:56:33
Dear women on this mailing list, Are you here? Say hello! :-) Everyone else: invite a woman or two to join! Also, you might be interested in writing something for:  http://recompilermag.com/2015/09/01/call-for-contributors-issue-2/  it's a feminist hacker online magazine and their next issue is on privacy
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 08:03:32
hear status updates on people's projects. That'll give everyone a chance to hear again about projects they might not know about or had lost track of. > > Just a quick breakdown: what's the project, what's the latest milestone, what's in development now, and what
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 10:51:26
hear status updates on people's projects. That'll give everyone a chance to hear again about projects they might not know about or had lost track of. > > Just a quick breakdown: what's the project, what's the latest milestone, what's in development now, and what
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 17:54:13
hear status updates on people's projects. > That'll give everyone a chance to hear again about projects they might > not know about or had lost track of. > > Just a quick breakdown: what's the project, what's the latest milestone, > what's in development
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-05-02 16:18:26
hear status updates on people's >> projects. > That'll give everyone a chance to hear again about projects they > might not know about or had lost track of. >> >> Just a quick breakdown: what's the project, what's the latest > milestone
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 02:10:03
meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 10:33:41
meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 08:29:42
meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:35:02
meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-08 18:36:58
people of almost any amount of technical background to use. I know WebTorrent will be doing something a bit different, but there might be some good lessons from it to use when building the public face of WebTorrent. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Feross Aboukhadijeh
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:31:11
Thanks /Jörg PS: As you are sharing my reservations wrt. Bitcoin while at the same time looking for trust and accountability you might want to look at how those alternatives compare.  The 51% of hash power is just one way.  Byzantine agreement requires 67% of traitors
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:38:08
actual approach, the peer-(super) peer-peer idea, finesses the problem nicely. Instead of "I am Spartacus," "I am the blind idiot god." Still, might attackers find a vulnerability there? In order to assure the efficiency you desire, someone must provide some resources intended to act as the superpeer
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: > I was thinking: does this almost reduce to the "hard AI problem?" Detecting which nodes are malicious might not even be computable. It's the lack of verifiable information. Unless you have some trust anchors to create a frame of reference
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 20:23:47
percentage of defecting peers down to the point where you can start looking at the Byzantine fault tolerance algorithms to detect them, which might even allow defecting peers to be algorithmically ejected from the trusted group. > Yeah, that's basically the identical idea except in your model the centralized
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:49:31
networks too. I think this work has po litical and philosophical implications inasmuch as the same information theoretic principles that govern computer networks might also operate in human ones. If we can fix it here, maybe it can help us find new ways of fixing it there. And networks
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:35:23
world of difference between a network where decentralization is easy and one where it’s almost prohibitively hard. The former might contain lots of market niches for centralized products, services, and trust chains, but the latter all but *prohibits* decentralized approaches to anything. For decentralized networks, non-local firewalls
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 12:45:35
basically like signing a certfile in PGP -- you're establishing a relationship between the nodes. One kind of edge would be verification. Another might be a warning flag. That's how you build the reputation system
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-09-12 17:14:40
voice network they can't profit from? > … that is unless someone invents something new. I have wondered if > linear coding schemes might offer a way to make onion routing more > efficient, but that there would be an awfully big research project > that
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
difficult. Writing a distributed system which is also a good product is harder than simply writing a good product; centralization helps you outcompete. How might we get around these pretty substantial market forces?  On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:01 PM mempko < mempko@gmail.com > wrote
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:03:37
know we're really keen on the three pirate rule -  http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/PP_Structure_Proposal#Three_Pirate_Rule - and we'd love more pirates.  Not understanding urbit might make you the perfect interviewer, you'd know what questions you'd want answered as a starting point. If you wanted
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 13:21:14
really keen on the three pirate rule -  http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/PP_Structure_Proposal#Three_Pirate_Rule - and we'd love more pirates.  Not understanding urbit might make you the perfect interviewer, you'd know what questions you'd want answered as a starting point. If you wanted to do a ~15m video
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:50:39
know we're really keen on the three pirate rule -  http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/PP_Structure_Proposal#Three_Pirate_Rule - and we'd love more pirates.  Not understanding urbit might make you the perfect interviewer, you'd know what questions you'd want answered as a starting point. If you wanted
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier now has seed funding 2015-03-31 14:15:37
funding Paul F On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Hey all, Many of you might remember this project from a while back. Just wanted to share the news: https://www.zerotier.com/blog/?p=356 -Adam Ierymenko
Brian Cloutier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 05:32:00
difficult. Writing a distributed system which is also a good product is harder than simply writing a good product; centralization helps you outcompete. How might we get around these pretty substantial market forces?  On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:01 PM mempko < mempko@gmail.com > wrote
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 08:45:25
writing a good product; centralization helps you outcompete.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>How might we get around these pretty substantial market forces? </div> <div><br> </div> <div class
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:21:49
difficult. Writing a distributed system which is also a good product is harder than simply writing a good product; centralization helps you outcompete. How might we get around these pretty substantial market forces?  On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:01 PM mempko < mempko@gmail.com > wrote
ken Code [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2015-08-02 10:33:39
mean to email me, or? I've received a couple of these blank emails now and just wanted you to know. You might get blacklisted if ur not careful, so be sure to check ur scripts etc. Let me know if u need anything, thanx
will schiller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2015-08-05 12:37:01
mean to email me, or? I've received a couple of these blank emails now and just wanted you to know. You might get blacklisted if ur not careful, so be sure to check ur scripts etc. Let me know if u need anything, thanx
juh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 09:13:41
answers. But we should listen to our inner voice. What do we want? > Please share the conference page with people you think might want to go! Yeah, let's make some noise
Tristan Nitot [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 15:33:59
should listen to our inner voice. What do we want? > >> Please share the conference page with people you think might want to go! > Yeah, let's make some noise. > > juh -- Tristan Nitot - @nitot - https://cozy.io/ Cozy Cloud - Chief Product Officer (C3PO
Julien Rabier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 15:49:52
sense, and some > groups are organising team meetups around the same time. > > Please share the conference page with people you think might want to go! > > And sign up if you think you'll want tickets. This is great news. I'll be there with others
Pierre Ozoux [GG] Re: Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-08 01:56:00
think Steven is right also, this can also be on top of IPFS. What I can see from eth is that the data storage might be IPFS. I think it is really exciting time, but personally, I'd wait one winner to recommend my relatives to investigate also. My personal
Thomas Levine [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 06:33:00
list software (ypotf). You can interview me if I finish it, or perhaps if I don't. I use a bunch of things that might count because they communicate substantially less with networks than contemporary services do. * nmh (previously mutt and offlineimap) * fossil * MHTML firefox extension * Kiwix * recoll * recollweb * newsbeuter
adam.ierymenko [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 16:50:00
Looks wonderful. It's like Product Hunt for dapps, which is badly needed. You might have different categories of usable. There are things that are usable for developers and IT people and then things that are usable for end users. How do we submit stuff? IPFS, BitTorrent, ZeroTier
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:17:33
meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-07 21:31:57
Figure out what it will take to get decentralized apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas of what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers to help. Those who've spoken up already and anyone else interested
Janislav Malahov [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 11:23:03
Figure out what it will take to get decentralized apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas of what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers to help. Those who've spoken up already and anyone else interested
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-09 11:33:06
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-08 15:46:06
people of almost any amount of technical background to use. I know WebTorrent will be doing something a bit different, but there might be some good lessons from it to use when building the public face of WebTorrent. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Feross Aboukhadijeh
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 14:29:11
Figure out what it will take to get decentralized apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas o f what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers to help. Those who've spoken up already and anyone else interested
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:31:53
difficult. Writing a distributed system which is also a good product is harder than simply writing a good product; centralization helps you outcompete. How might we get around these pretty substantial market forces?  On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:01 PM mempko < mempko@gmail.com > wrote
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 10:49:44
Hash: SHA1 On 08/01/14 10:14, Ross Jones wrote: > For the benefit of those of us that couldn’t make it, but might be > interested in events in Germany … could you elucidate? > Yes. At last year's Europython Holger Krekel (cc'd) gave a keynote
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 12:20:44
beaten to the punch. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Martin Honermeyer < maze@strahlungsfrei.de > wrote: Some of you might already have heard of it. There is a new project called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a distributed and secure
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-01 11:50:23
another matter. There are lots of incremental things > people can and should do now. > I really can't tell, but this might be relevant here. Can anyone interpret the short-form intro? https://github.com/InstantWebP2P/node-httpp/wiki/An-introduction-to-node-httpp Mike
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:34:23
Francis, you might want to interview some of the folks I work with at Loomio  - an open-source platform for decentralised decision-making. We've got a focus on UX, which we treat as part of the work of all developers, not the domain of some specialist
Richard Marr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-05 11:35:55
another matter. There are lots of incremental things > people can and should do now. > I really can't tell, but this might be relevant here.  Can anyone interpret the short-form intro? https://github.com/InstantWebP2P/node-httpp/wiki/An-introduction-to-node-httpp Mike S. -- Richard Marr
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
decentralization, designing the protocol so that it will be achievable with as little pain as possible. I have a mental image of what it might look like, and the protocol is designed to enable it with only the addition of new message types-- existing protocol messages should work fine
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
decentralization, designing the protocol so that it will be achievable with as little pain as possible. I have a mental image of what it might look like, and the protocol is designed to enable it with only the addition of new message types-- existing protocol messages should work fine
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
decentralization, designing the protocol so that it will be achievable with as little pain as possible. I have a mental image of what it might look like, and the protocol is designed to enable it with only the addition of new message types-- existing protocol messages should work fine
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
decentralization, designing the protocol so that it will be achievable with as little pain as possible. I have a mental image of what it might look like, and the protocol is designed to enable it with only the addition of new message types-- existing protocol messages should work fine
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 10:14:27
benefit of those of us that couldn’t make it, but might be interested in events in Germany … could you elucidate? Thanks Ross On 8 Jan 2014, at 10:12, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll@ntoll.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 06:03:22
08/01/14 10:14, Ross Jones wrote: >> For the benefit of those of us that couldn’t make it, but might be >> interested in events in Germany … could you elucidate? > > Yes. > > At last year's Europython Holger Krekel (cc'd) gave
Shannon Tyler Cunningham [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 04:32:00
many of its communities, including communities in Leh. I also think that neglected here is the concept that we should be preserving (cacheing, one might say) Ladakhi knowledge (and exporting it, should Ladakhis wish), rather than importing (national or global) hegemonic "knowledge" and systems of logic to Ladakh. The latter
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 11:34:27
meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader, and why mesh networks might help with resilience, and gives the shorter term application of use in football stadiums et al. Francis -- konklone.com | @konklone
Thomas Levine [GG] Distributed Dance Party update 2018-06-18 23:34:00
LINK and fill out your info   ASAP!   KNOW SOME RADICAL DECENTRALISTS?   Please share this with all who might also wish to speak / present. You   don’t have to be camping with us to speak!   Further details
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Blog lisbon? 2014-08-06 10:05:20
this meetup [0] since 6 months now, and I'd like to do a blog > (that might be translated in portuguese also) > > I was thinking to join your effort, and maybe publish from your platform? > > What do you think? Would it make sense
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-06-06 08:46:27
social control. If you are in the boat of seeing similarities between code as in law and code as in computer programs, you might enjoy how this equivalence became the heart of a software architecture: http://askemos.org/index.html?_v=footnote&_id=1223 Goes all the way down to start from an analogy
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 14:03:18
Wednesdays are *really* hard for me, and the show of hands at December seems to suggest that Tuesdays are good for most people. Might I suggest Tuesday 4th February..? There was also talk of hosting a meetup at LSE. N. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-15 14:37:29
08/01/14 10:14, Ross Jones wrote: For the benefit of those >>>> of us that couldn’t make it, but might be interested in >>>> events in Germany … could you elucidate? > > Yes. > > At last year's Europython Holger
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 09:53:54
beaten to the punch. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Martin Honermeyer < maze@strahlungsfrei.de > wrote: Some of you might already have heard of it. There is a new project called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a distributed and secure
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 11:04:28
beaten to the punch. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Martin Honermeyer < maze@strahlungsfrei.de > wrote: Some of you might already have heard of it. There is a new project called Avatar [1] built by two finnish guys. It aims to create a distributed and secure
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:06:32
shoulders of giants". Before "intellectual property" appeared, there was science and culture. Even during wartime, as restricted as exchange between intellectuals might be, scientists know no borders, and build on each other's knowledge. The free software movement can be considered yet another contribution to human knowledge
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 17:53:18
anybody familiar with novel approaches to security UX that you might share? I'd enjoy some anecdotes about what's worked. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Ximin Luo < infinity0@pwned.gg > wrote: Telegram's justifications for their security have basically been "prove me wrong". In fact
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:29:51
your pleasure an anecdote... Am 01.03.2014 00:53, schrieb Paul Frazee: Is anybody familiar with novel approaches to security UX that you might share? I'd enjoy some anecdotes about what's worked. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Ximin Luo < infinity0@pwned.gg > wrote: Telegram
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
shoulders of giants". Before "intellectual property" appeared, there was science and culture. Even during wartime, as restricted as exchange between intellectuals might be, scientists know no borders, and build on each other's knowledge. The free software movement can be considered yet another contribution to human knowledge
juh [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 23:20:00
mighty position of Amazon and try to defend their position by lobbying the parliament to make strange laws. If you can read German this might entertain you. http://www.sudelbuch.de/2014/08/15/nimm-doch-mal-wieder-das-pferd/ So. In one word. Let us discuss not only software but also alternative means of common control. Ciao
christoph [GG] Re: Decentralized Web (SF) and Matrix Channel 2016-05-31 01:35:00
last person to learn about it. Maybe we need a central calendar for that ;) That's also something a couple Matrix channels might be interesting for. The chatter is low traffic enough to not be too spammy
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] How can we strengthen the Internet for free expression and innovation? 2014-03-18 20:41:48
project! After struggling with Liquid Democracy it was really a breath of fresh air. I'd like to talk to you about how we might build similar tools on top of decentralised p2p infrastructure. Here's my Knight submission for Briar: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/secure-messaging-anywhere Cheers, Michael On 18/03/14
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] How can we strengthen the Internet for free expression and innovation? 2014-03-18 16:53:46
project! After struggling with Liquid Democracy it was really a breath of fresh air. I'd like to talk to you about how we might build similar tools on top of decentralised p2p infrastructure. Here's my Knight submission for Briar: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/secure-messaging-anywhere Cheers, Michael On 18/03/14