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mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
Adam, Great slide deck, really well done. Lots of good ideas there. When I tell people that those things are p2p they don't understand. People think of napster or torrents as p2p and the media has made using p2p to be something thieves and drug dealers and the terrible /...\ this stuff because there is no other way for it to get better. And, as you described, the "free" model is a lie and really is a determinant to peoples freedoms. One way I propose we solve this issue is supporting the idea of basic income. I really do believe /...\ reincarnation. First we used dumb terms to access mainframes. Then we use d PCs. Then the Internet has made it easy to access really big mainframes in “the cloud,” which is really just marketroid rebranding of mainframe computing. (All the tech, like containers and VMs, is old mainframe
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: It's a bit of a grey area, but I really don't think of it as a VPN. A VPN is typically used to connect two networks together, or to allow a disconnected client to incorporate itself into a network. ZT1's networks /...\ talk to each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well. The networks really are virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts /...\ theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
grey area, but I really don't think of it as a VPN. A VPN is typically used to connect two networks together, or to allow a disconnected client to incorporate itself into a network. ZT1's networks are first-order entities. Think of it as being like the difference /...\ talk to each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well. The networks really are virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts /...\ theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] How can we strengthen the Internet for free expression and innovation? 2014-03-19 10:02:05
Briar looks amazing, and really clearly explained too. I'm really keen to talk about p2p Loomio - contact me off list to set up a time to chat if you like :) rich@loomio.org On 19 March 2014 09:41, Michael Rogers < michael@briarproject.org > wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 /...\ Loomio is a really cool project! After struggling with Liquid Democracy it was really a breath of fresh air. I'd like to talk to you about how we might build similar tools on top of decentralised p2p infrastructure. Here's my Knight submission for Briar: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/secure-messaging-anywhere Cheers
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
that part of my program. Sometimes I get the source code with it, and sometimes I don't. I don't really care because I'm not planning on competing with them in that area. In that sense I and these sub-vendors are cooperating, not collaborating, which /...\ Hiveware way without software interlocking controls (ie, just the barebones library keeps me from changing their code). In fact, I really don't want to know anything about how they wrote the code because I need to concentrate on writing my Hiveware code. BTW, I wouldn't dream of using /...\ limiting availability is a satisfactory way of doing so. > "Why do I need to send data through a server?" Doesn't really make > much sense if you can guarantee un-eaves-droppable end-to-end > delivery. > But end-to-end delivery uses a multitude
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:31:53
cycle of reincarnation. First we used dumb terms to access mainframes. Then we used PCs. Then the Internet has made it easy to access really big mainframes in “the cloud,” which is really just marketroid rebranding of mainframe computing. (All the tech, like containers /...\ host many things in the cloud because it almost never goes offline, while my home Internet connection is much more flaky. What we really need — and many many people including you have hit on this — is to find ways to change the technical power dynamic. The cloud should
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:04:39
been thinking about that too, but I think it's important to take a step back and think through the problem. I really want to push through the Little Centralization Paper (Tsitsiklis/Xu) a little more. >> >> To me the key thing is this /...\ blog post too). I view efficiency > more like an economic term applicable to central service providers > operating services like FB. Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what "decentralization" is at least partly about. Mobile makes efficiency *really
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:21:49
cycle of reincarnation. First we used dumb terms to access mainframes. Then we used PCs. Then the Internet has made it easy to access really big mainframes in “the cloud,” which is really just marketroid rebranding of mainframe computing. (All the tech, like containers /...\ host many things in the cloud because it almost never goes offline, while my home Internet connection is much more flaky. What we really need — and many many people including you have hit on this — is to find ways to change the technical power dynamic. The cloud should
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 12:31:45
blog post too). I view efficiency > more like an economic term applicable to central service providers > operating services like FB. Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what "decentralization" is at least partly about. Mobile makes efficiency * really * important. Anything /...\ every DHT, etc. from consideration for mobile. I did not want to say that efficiency is not important at all. But I don't really see a value in an application, which is not reliable.  What's the value of n virtual asset stored at mobile when the mobile
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
compute trust But that's the whole problem, isn't it? If you have no direct contact and you have no trusted path you really have nothing. That's why web of trust is the last resort. It's the thing that comes closest to working when nothing else will /...\ does it actually matter that he wants to call himself John Smith instead of John Doe? At that point the only thing you can really ask to be assured of is that when you communicate with "John Smith" tomorrow it's the same "John Smith" it was yesterday. > Another /...\ still need to take a deep, deep dive into the block chain technology. I get the very basic surface of it, but I am really curious about how it might be used as part of a solution to the trust bootstrapping problem. If hybrid overlapping heterogeneous solutions
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
talk to each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well. The networks really are virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts /...\ theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting /...\ that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
talk to each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well. The networks really are virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts /...\ theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting /...\ that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:50:39
willing to do a 15min interview on camera. -V On Saturday, November 29, 2014, Ross Jones < ross@servercode.co.uk > wrote: You know we're really keen on the three pirate rule -  http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/PP_Structure_Proposal#Three_Pirate_Rule - and we'd love more pirates.  Not understanding urbit might make you the perfect /...\ list of projects on the website. I am happy that  Red Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has m atured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mik e Macgirvin
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 12:02:15
cool, thank you for that (and for typing all that out on your phone). The anti-spam thing is interesting, though it's not really taking advantage of the blockchain - you could implement the same strategy with USD, BTC is maybe just easier to script against. Using a blockchain model /...\ /questions/19038/are-there-any-non-monetary-uses-for-the-blockchain-or-the-bitcoin-protocol-gene  (Anti-spam, proof of existence, voting.) Personally, I thought proof of existence seemed the most elegant and obvious-in-hindsight. I really like the idea of Bitcoin as a Mediawiki anti-spam plugin, mainly because of the possib ilities it hints at for micropayments (and online content
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:12:55
Ross, On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 21:03 +0000, Ross Jones wrote: > You know we're really keen on the three pirate rule - http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/PP_Structure_Proposal#Three_Pirate_Rule - and we'd love more pirates. For the PyPy project we had a similar rule: if two people from some set agree /...\ name or the > reputation of the party. > Don't use any funds of the party. You may ask for funds. Don't really apply i guess because "redecentralize" is not a party. So all in all i think referencing the pirate party rules is of limited
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:28:40
reputation of the party. >> Don't use any funds of the party. You may ask for funds. > > Don't really apply i guess because "redecentralize" is not a party. > So all in all i think referencing the pirate party rules is of limited /...\ overly keen on being on video, and I realise our dependence on Francis and Ira for interviewing people isn’t really sustainable. For the interviews specifically, and it’s my personal opinion, I’ve *love* to see interviews done by members of the community with projects that
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 02:23:24
reputation of the party. >> Don't use any funds of the party. You may ask for funds. > > Don't really apply i guess because "redecentralize" is not a party. > So all in all i think referencing the pirate party rules is of limited > value /...\ overly keen on being on video, and I realise our dependence on Francis and Ira for interviewing people isn’t really sustainable. For the interviews specifically, and it’s my personal opinion, I’ve *love* to see interviews done by members
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 11:10:40
party. Don't use any funds of the party. You >>> may ask for funds. >> >> Don't really apply i guess because "redecentralize" is not a >> party. So all in all i think referencing the pirate party rules /...\ overly keen on > being on video, and I realise our dependence on Francis and Ira > for interviewing people isn’t really sustainable. > > For the interviews specifically, and it’s my personal opinion, > I’ve *love* to see interviews done by members
fernando.gs@gmail.com [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:17:15
funds of the party. You >>>> may ask for funds. >>> >>> Don't really apply i guess because "redecentralize" is not a >>> party. So all in all i think referencing the pirate party rules /...\ keen on >> being on video, and I realise our dependence on Francis and Ira >> for interviewing people isn’t really sustainable. >> >> For the interviews specifically, and it’s my personal opinion, >> I’ve *love* to see interviews
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:37:56
funds of the party. You >>>> may ask for funds. >>> >>> Don't really apply i guess because "redecentralize" is not a >>> party. So all in all i think referencing the pirate party rules /...\ being on video, and I realise our dependence on Francis and Ira >> for interviewing people isn’t really sustainable. >> >> For the interviews specifically, and it’s my personal opinion, >> I’ve *love
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-03 10:36:17
cool, thank you for that (and for typing all that out on your phone). The anti-spam thing is interesting, though it's not really taking advantage of the blockchain - you could implement the same strategy with USD, BTC is maybe just easier to script against. Using a blockchain model /...\ /questions/19038/are-there-any-non-monetary-uses-for-the-blockchain-or-the-bitcoin-protocol-gene  (Anti-spam, proof of existence, voting.) Personally, I thought proof of existence seemed the most elegant and obvious-in-hindsight. I really like the idea of Bitcoin as a Mediawiki anti-spam plugin, mainly because of the possib ilities it hints at for micropayments (and online content
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 08:45:25
abandon the notion that a all distributed system should act like one system. Probably the only reason we think so is because corporations really care about this notion. But a free society?<br> <br> There are four modes of communication we do, public/anonymous, private/anonymous, public/known, private/known /...\ make decentralized public communication systems have a huge hill to climb and they need resources that corporations are simply not interested in providing. I really feel for them!<br> <br> I heard ZeroTier One got some seed funding. This is great! However, I suspect it would
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:02:36
sort of hate the infosec profession... it's full of cargo cult thinking by people who don't *really* understand the mechanics of what's going on on a network. I worked infosec for a bit and never saw one single real world threat that the firewall really did anything
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 13:59:28
relationship in PGP's WoT, the "verified by my signature" relationship. Trust is a probability-decision (eg what are the odds this guy's really the bob he claims to be?) so you'd benefit from a richer set of signals. There are other kinds queries you'll want /...\ lead to a richer data-set. Jörg, as to your book-keeping example, Dominic's answer is better -- SSB isn't really perfect for that. But my contention is that a large part of any system is holding the participants accountable for their activity. If the users
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 11:31:57
data and can access it. (Sorry for the complication wrt. DHT design. ;-) Now we know that I have one copy of all data I *really* care about which I can physically secure. At this point we can ask how we may update automated agents. Sometimes they might just have /...\ rest, it's a risk increasing over time. Instead we ask: which peers do we commission to such an agent? This set should really be controlled by the users. (I.e., the update policy script *must* be able to deny changes.) This is a trust decision wrt. the person administrating
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting /...\ that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:07:09
layer. So the alternative is web of trust. Harder to implement, harder to attack. And harder to make simple for the user. (I'm really short on good ideas how to hide this from users.) > > After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute > data-structures /...\ slow. I don't want to wait a minute for the website to update. And I want to run my copy locally on really small devices. That's why we need more fine grained control than a single blockchain. We have one "blockchain" (not exactly, but close
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
access it. (Sorry for the complication wrt. DHT design. ;-) > > Now we know that I have one copy of all data I *really* care about > which I can physically secure. > > At this point we can ask how we may update automated agents. > Sometimes they might /...\ risk increasing over time. Instead we > ask: which peers do we commission to such an agent? This set > should really be controlled by the users. (I.e., the update policy > script *must* be able to deny changes.) This is a trust decision > wrt. the person administrating
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 11:05:11
debate resolves on encryptions side, the debate will naturally become, "Why do I need to send data through a server?" Doesn't really make much sense if you can guarantee un-eaves-droppable end-to-end delivery. Servers can go back to being a commodity that delivers computing /...\ data transport is another discussion which would also theoretically disappear with piecemeal direct A->B encrypted transport. Not disappear really, but rather properly owned, meaning folk's notions of privacy and possession would automatically be honored. The real problem is how to organize piecemeal encrypted transport. Again, that
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting /...\ that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn
juh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 09:13:41
groups are organising team meetups around the same time. It's not odd, if used for the right thing. Unfortunately I cannot come. Really bad. I hope that there will be some discussions about the question: What do we really want to do? I think that the centralization
Tristan Nitot [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 15:33:59
organising team meetups around the same time. > It's not odd, if used for the right thing. Unfortunately I cannot come. > Really bad. > > I hope that there will be some discussions about the question: What do > we really want to do? > > I think
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 22:18:20
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:27:01
Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I sort of hate the infosec profession... it's full of cargo cult thinking by people who don't *really* understand the mechanics of what's going on on a network. I worked infosec for a bit and never saw one single real world threat /...\ that the firewall really did anything to protect us from. All the malware I saw came in via HTTP "pull", e-mail, and file sync. The only real-world threat the firewall still does anything to protect us from is the threat of a worm exploiting a true remote hole
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
have only one peer run the app at the same time, though a different one after the move. Correct? (BTW: that special case is really not how you would like to run our apps in general. Instead you would normally have at least four [better seven to ten] peers assigned /...\ environment, with all APIs removed but for postMessage (no xhr). Exactly the same with Askemos. > This excites me for applications like Mint.com, which really needs proper isolation to function ethically. Great! I did not know about mint.com However a) this functioning ethically is exactly why we did Askemos
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
peer run the app at the same time, though a different one after the move.  Correct? (BTW: that special case is really not how you would like to run our apps in general.  Instead you would normally have at least four [better seven to ten] peers /...\ environment, with all APIs removed but for postMessage (no xhr). Exactly the same with Askemos. > This excites me for applications like Mint.com, which really needs proper isolation to function ethically. Great!  I did not know about mint.com However a) this functioning ethically is exactly
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 11:07:42
sure, that would work. What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. Take Twitter for example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples’ tweets /...\ something very simple and built entirely on current open standards. Now take Facebook… is it that different? It has some additional functionality but really how hard would all that be to implement if every device had a real address? Reachability, bandwidth, scalability, all these are a lot easier
juh [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 22:25:00
service only on this list. I think all of us would like to try out patchwork but would we move from googlegroups (which I really don't like to use) to $decentralizedservice? I think the biggest problem for now is to decide which service to choose instead of a mainstream /...\ unknown friends to my network so that I was isolated. Using Retroshare for Decentralize would be a good kickstart to join the network and really use it for a reason
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-26 12:18:20
like to see some people keeping conferences or hack-a-tons here as well. We have a a lot of python enthusiasts and really good programmers that need to learn to appreciate the value of a "community" work. Working towards a common goal ( p2p ) without craving for the finances /...\ Xou/9+wBuEntRba45JD5dvUIY5hwH4GfVHtJY27ozcHeJUTeRGfqDMpmapL3e+Dl 3dw/AK07DmYiXZ29jaSAZBYRZaz+KaaCHq1WcDR/5bjVmg79qAwBch40InIfWI4= =9iR1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Irina Bolychevsky @shevski -- "You can't negotiate with reality." "You can, but it drives a really hard bargain
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] How can we strengthen the Internet for free expression and innovation? 2014-03-18 20:41:48
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Loomio is a really cool project! After struggling with Liquid Democracy it was really a breath of fresh air. I'd like to talk to you about how we might build similar tools on top of decentralised p2p infrastructure. Here's my Knight submission
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] How can we strengthen the Internet for free expression and innovation? 2014-03-18 16:53:46
Michael Rogers < michael@briarproject.org > wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Loomio is a really cool project! After struggling with Liquid Democracy it was really a breath of fresh air. I'd like to talk to you about how we might build similar tools on top of decentralised
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:31:33
Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I sort of hate the infosec profession... it's full of cargo cult thinking by people who don't *really* understand the mechanics of what's going on on a network. I worked infosec for a bit and never saw one single real world threat /...\ that the firewall really did anything to protect us from. All the malware I saw came in via HTTP "pull", e-mail, and file sync. The only real-world threat the firewall still does anything to protect us from is the threat of a worm exploiting a true remote hole
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:53:52
relationship in PGP's WoT, the "verified by my signature" relationship. Trust is a probability-decision (eg what are the odds this guy's really the bob he claims to be?) so you'd benefit from a richer set of signals. There are other kinds queries you'll want /...\ lead to a richer data-set. Jörg, as to your book-keeping example, Dominic's answer is better -- SSB isn't really perfect for that. But my contention is that a large part of any system is holding the participants accountable for their activity. If the users operate
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
Adam Ierymenko wrote: > Oh sure, that would work. > > What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization /...\ simple and built entirely on current open standards. > > Now take Facebook… is it that different? It has some additional functionality but really how hard would all that be to implement if every device had a real address? > > Reachability, bandwidth, scalability, all these
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:03:37
know we're really keen on the three pirate rule -  http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/PP_Structure_Proposal#Three_Pirate_Rule - and we'd love more pirates.  Not understanding urbit might make you the perfect interviewer, you'd know what questions you'd want answered as a starting point. If you wanted /...\ list of projects on the website. I am happy that  Red Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mik e Macgirvin, the creator
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 13:21:14
willing to do a 15min interview on camera. -V On Saturday, November 29, 2014, Ross Jones < ross@servercode.co.uk > wrote: You know we're really keen on the three pirate rule -  http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/PP_Structure_Proposal#Three_Pirate_Rule - and we'd love more pirates.  Not understanding urbit might make /...\ list of projects on the website. I am happy that  Red Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mik e Macgirvin
Tic Nticsebastian [LibreList] (no subject) 2014-05-28 00:08:52
block of my idea. I need more people that are gifted in these domains to help me out and start working together. I'd really like to be able to talk to someone about this. Basically what I am doing now is to look for people to help
Ross Jones [LibreList] The D14N project 2014-08-05 13:33:32
make sure we don’t duplicate any effort. In the meantime, if you’ve got space for one more mailing-list (and really, what’s one more …) it might be worth signing up. Cheers Ross
Andrew Manning [LibreList] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 14:53:03
list of projects on the website. I am happy that  Red Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mike Macgirvin, the creator
feross [GG] WebTorrent Desktop - open source streaming torrent client 2016-04-06 17:28:00
today! https://webtorrent.io/desktop WebTorrent Desktop bridges the WebTorrent and BitTorrent networks. If enough people end up running it, BitTorrent in the browser will really happen. Projects like the Internet Archive can make huge files available for immediate streaming on their website, without paying for bandwidth. Let me know what
Ira [LibreList] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 07:39:39
Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the evolving
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 17:21:52
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 14:07:49
easier! --Steven On Oct 15, 2015 12:08 PM, "Francis Irving" < francis@flourish.org > wrote: Hello!    News stuff sounds really interesting!   I'm going to do a session on decentralized file sync/backup tools. Get everyone's recommendations in groups with postit notes, and collectively
David Burns [LibreList] brilliant or hype? 2015-09-08 21:24:10
search YouTube for Vinay Gupta plausible Utopias. https://youtu.be/BORHRKg-VoI Cheers, Dave -- "You can't negotiate with reality." "You can, but it drives a really hard bargain
christoph [GG] Decentralized Web (SF) and Matrix Channel 2016-05-30 06:57:00
week? I'll be there for http://www.decentralizedweb.net and happy to meet up. Also who here is using Matrix for communication? They have a really great product out there and if fits the redecentralizaion theme perfectly :) I'd love to create a redecentralization channel on our CloudFleet home server. cheers
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] RDC 15 Session idea: The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ? 2015-10-16 09:14:48
prevailing business models.  Could this be the shift which finally jumpstarts a cornucopia of new business models ?  (Hint: I don’t really know ;)  For background on why the CJEU ruling might not be as easily ignored as the big US companies are hoping,  this
frabcus [GG] Transcript volunteers 2016-10-17 02:25:00
Rabbit, we have transcreipts of the first 12 interviews. Anyone fancy helping with transcripts for #13 to #22? http://redecentralize.org/interviews/ They're really valuable for people who don't like video, and to make it easier to find the videos with search. If so, simplest workflow is to just
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-27 23:24:13
block of my idea. I need more people that are gifted in these domains to help me out and start working together. I'd really like to be able to talk to someone about this. Basically what I am doing now is to look for people to help
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-28 00:20:46
block of my idea. I need more people that are gifted in these domains to help me out and start working together. I'd really like to be able to talk to someone about this. Basically what I am doing now is to look for people to help
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 10:33:41
Agreed - closed source really sucks. Stephan Tual Chief Communications Officer -- sk. stephan.tual tw. @stephantual On Monday, 2 June 2014 at 10:10, Steve Phillips wrote: OpenGarden sounds awesome, but it's closed source :-(.  The founders aren't worried about that though, it seems: https://twitter.com/elimisteve/status/473086170725756928 --Steve
Giovanni P [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNUnet 2014-06-02 11:37:56
imagine many Windows users getting past https://gnunet.org/content/build-instructions-microsoft-windows-platforms , I’ve never tried it though, putting myself through autoconf hell never really appeals. Will the old version go away when the RTC version is further along?  Is the RTC version currently Chrome only? Cheers Ross
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 08:29:42
closing the source. They exist apart. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Stephan Tual < stephan.tual@ethereum.org > wrote: Agreed - closed source really sucks. Stephan Tual Chief Communications Officer -- sk. stephan.tual tw. @stephantual On Monday, 2 June 2014 at 10:10, Steve Phillips wrote: OpenGarden sounds awesome
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:35:02
closing the source. They exist apart. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Stephan Tual < stephan.tual@ethereum.org > wrote: Agreed - closed source really sucks. Stephan Tual Chief Communications Officer -- sk. stephan.tual tw. @stephantual On Monday, 2 June 2014 at 10:10, Steve Phillips wrote: OpenGarden sounds awesome
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:17:33
closing the source. They exist apart. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Stephan Tual < stephan.tual@ethereum.org > wrote: Agreed - closed source really sucks. Stephan Tual Chief Communications Officer -- sk. stephan.tual tw. @stephantual On Monday, 2 June 2014 at 10:10, Steve Phillips wrote: OpenGarden sounds awesome
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-04 10:32:38
closing the source. They exist apart. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Stephan Tual < stephan.tual@ethereum.org > wrote: Agreed - closed source really sucks. Stephan Tual Chief Communications Officer -- sk. stephan.tual tw. @stephantual On Monday, 2 June 2014 at 10:10, Steve Phillips wrote: OpenGarden sounds awesome
Tic Nticsebastian [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-26 11:25:40
like to see some people keeping conferences or hack-a-tons here as well. We have a a lot of python enthusiasts and really good programmers that need to learn to appreciate the value of a "community" work. Working towards a common goal ( p2p ) without craving for the finances
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-02 12:47:06
been thinking about that too, but I think it's important to take a step back and think through the problem. I really want to push through the Little Centralization Paper (Tsitsiklis/Xu) a little more. To me the key thing is this: Our hypothetical "blind idiot God" must
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 10:45:39
been thinking about that too, but I think it's important to take a step back and think through the problem. I really want to push through the Little Centralization Paper (Tsitsiklis/Xu) a little more. > > To me the key thing is this: > > Our hypothetical "blind
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:31:11
some reason beyond me, designed to TRUST the origin of an update.)  Fortunately we have this code.  So what we really need is "network traffic" between peers identified by some key. In understand that zerotier provides (B).  But since I see "some kind" of "noise" as identifier
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:38:08
plan to defend against this attack? Cheers, Dave -- "You can't negotiate with reality." "You can, but it drives a really hard bargain
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
still need to take a deep, deep dive into the block chain technology. I get the very basic surface of it, but I am really curious about how it might be used as part of a solution to the trust bootstrapping problem. If hybrid overlapping heterogenous solutions
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
these efforts, like democracy, republics, governmental balance of power, anti-trust laws, etc., pre-date the Internet. Yet it never works. I don't really agree that it never works. For all the failings of free market capitalism, it's clearly better than a centrally planned economy. The thing about
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:04:36
David Geib wrote: > ... > I don't really agree that it never works. For all the failings of free > market capitalism, it's clearly better than a centrally planned > economy. The thing about functioning decentralized and federated > systems is that they often work so well they
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 13:51:28
work going on in this area. I’ve been following Ethereum for a long time, and I’m really fascinated by it. It strikes me as a step out beyond just currency for the block chain and into the realm of being able
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 20:30:40
prefer to be on the other side of this argument. Cheers, Dave -- "You can't negotiate with reality." "You can, but it drives a really hard bargain
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-24 22:15:06
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
down to using coersion to ensure >> that participants in society behave in a approximately helpful manner. >> Animals don't really have >> property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce >> those "rights" personally. >> So what they have
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 14:44:40
same problem. It all boils down to using coersion to ensure that participants in society behave in a approximately helpful manner. Animals don't really have property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce those "rights" personally. So what they have is a "possesion
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:08:18
same problem. It all boils down to using coersion to ensure that participants in society behave in a approximately helpful manner. Animals don't really have property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce those "rights" personally. So what they have is a "possesion" (a non-abstract
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
Internet was not a big thing in UK let alone Africa then.    I've been thinking about how the vision was not really accomplished after the World Bank and others took it over and what to do about that. One observation is key institutions can't think
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
same problem. It all boils down to using coersion to ensure that participants in society behave in a approximately helpful manner. Animals don't really have property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce those "rights" personally. So what they have is a "possesion" (a non-abstract
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
down to using coersion to ensure >> that participants in society behave in a approximately helpful manner. >> Animals don't really have >> property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce >> those "rights" personally. >> So what they
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
coersion to ensure >> >> that participants in society behave in a approximately helpful manner. >> >> Animals don't really have >> >> property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce >> >> those "rights" personally
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 13:20:45
Adam Ierymenko wrote: >> Oh sure, that would work. >> >> What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. > Network routing is certainly
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-09-12 17:14:40
packet through three relays and still deliver it to the destination in an acceptable amount of time, but the system will have to be really well engineered to minimise latency. Tor wasn't built with that in mind - and again, the question is who's going to pay an engineering
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] squatconf 2014-10-20 01:11:02
Looks really interesting. Thanks for that. On 20 October 2014 at 01:00:07, Dominic Tarr ( dominic.tarr@gmail.com ) wrote: hello redecentralizers If you happen to be handy to Paris in mid-december, then you may be interested in attending squatconf, or speaking there! It's an anarchist tech conf
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] squatconf 2014-10-20 10:47:25
like. > Naturally we can't buy speakers airfares, > but we can find a couch you can crash on. Sounds great. Is it really just a one day event? I'd like to arrive a day earlier at least. > If you have some radical ideas that would never
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] squatconf 2014-10-20 10:54:20
Naturally we can't buy speakers airfares, > but we can find a couch you can crash on. Sounds great.  Is it really just a one day event? I'd like to arrive a day earlier at least. > If you have some radical ideas that would never
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:35:27
list of projects on the website. I am happy that  Red Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mike Macgirvin
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 12:41:27
list of projects on the website. I am happy that  Red Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mike Macgirvin
Christoph Witzany [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 09:48:17
cloudfleet.io ) are happy to join in. On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. It will be a place to bring interested
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
north/north-east. I will look up the names you mentioned - thanks for sharing them. If you have links or document(s) handy, that would be really great too. I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind
ken Code [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 10:02:22
this Ira! :)    ken  On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. It will be a place
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
will look up the names you mentioned - thanks > for sharing them. If you have links or document(s) handy, that would be > really great too. > > I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and > engaging them in conversation which was the thing
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 00:56:09
thinking the conference would take place? --Steve On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. It will be a place to bring
will schiller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 12:42:29
this Ira! :)    ken  On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. It will be a place
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-06 17:18:37
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 19:06:34
There's some more background info here: https://owncloud.org/blog/federated-cloud-sharing-in-owncloud-8-1/ If you're a techie into this kind of stuff, your feedback is really appreciated. Let's federate our shit ;-) -- Disclaimer: Everything I do and say is based on my view of the world today. I am not responsible
Filipe Catraia [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-06 20:00:51
Poortvliet wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2015 07:39:39 Ira wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference >> THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. >> >> It will be a place
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 11:31:17
schrieb Francis Irving: > Hello! > > News stuff sounds really interesting! > > I'm going to do a session on decentralized file sync/backup tools. Get > everyone's recommendations in groups with postit notes, and collectively > file bugs and improve documentation. > > What tools do people
Eva Pascoe [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 Session idea: The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ? 2015-10-16 10:55:10
Could this be the shift which finally jumpstarts a cornucopia of new business models ?  (Hint: I don’t really know ;)  For background on why the CJEU ruling might not be as easily ignored as the big US companies are hoping,  this
J. Ryan Stinnett [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 07:00:59
allow two devices to sync with each other, you have to provide the "device ID" from one to the other (which is really the cert fingerprint / SHA-256 hash). On a phone, you can scan a QR code to do this. Yes, I was using an Android phone
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
couplers. Internet was not a big thing in UK let alone Africa then.  I've been thinking about how the vision was not really accomplished after the World Bank and others took it over and what to do about that. One observation is key institutions can't think
adam.ierymenko [GG] Re: Hi and mailing lists 2016-04-22 09:58:00
Yeah, I really wish I could make it. I’m already going to Germany though for this little shindig: https://squatconf.eu If there’s anyone in the Berlin area I’d love to meet up. Unfortunately I think
Adrien [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 23:26:00
believe in what we do. If it was about finding a free and decentralised social network with advanced features, OK maybe there's no really adequate candidate for now (or maybe there is... this is not the question), but a mailing list... are you serious?! Regards, Adrien
Adrien [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 09:07:00
forum? (Hooray!) Because if so, the one I'm interesting in getting for > rdc is http://www.discourse.org/ . Will you set it up? Not really... but I don't need to do it, Pierre offered it already ;) For the mailing list, as he said Framapad is serious
Pierre Ozoux [GG] Re: Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-08 01:56:00
also be on top of IPFS. What I can see from eth is that the data storage might be IPFS. I think it is really exciting time, but personally, I'd wait one winner to recommend my relatives to investigate also. My personal fascination/bet of the moment
Ira [GG] Re: Hi and mailing lists 2016-04-28 06:39:00
make it to squatconf but will be working instead :-/ Have fun Adam :) Madrid event should be good though, lot's going on and some really interesting groups coming to discuss participation and representation with amazing progress; as well as the redecentralize unconference bit ( http://dcentproject.eu/dcentmadrid/democracy-lab/open-call/ ) (!) Registration
dominic.tarr [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 16:21:00
Jonathan, it actually is on it, but it's really out of date - back when patchwork was called "phoenix". oh, hmm... it does have the right data actually https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet/blob/master/projects/patchwork.json but it needs to be regenerated
Eric Myhre [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-08 11:22:00
That is amazing.  I hugely enjoyed reading about this, and seeing pictures of mesh networking deployed in the world really brings it home that this can be meaningful to lots of people. I didn't find it in $favored_link_aggregator yet, so I submitted the story
Mikko Kotila [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 20:47:00
clear the air in respect to skynet and "organization", there is no NGO, and there is no 501(c) which as you suggest is really just a corporate with benefits.  When it comes to India and NGOs, the situation is very complicated in my view. There are more
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-07 21:31:57
Poortvliet wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2015 07:39:39 Ira wrote: >>   Hello, >> >> Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference >> THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time
frabcus [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-03-14 19:57:00
enough that I think it reaches the bar that friends could adopt it, and otherwise is excellent, it'll still go in. Otherwise we really would get nowhere... But note the usability requirement! Which very few things pass. Alas, not even Signal - in my experience it doesn't reliably deliver
Janislav Malahov [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 11:23:03
Poortvliet wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2015 07:39:39 Ira wrote: >>   Hello, >> >> Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference >> THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-09 00:40:42
will have an official release in January ! At the moment we are in the middle of our fund raising, so an interview would be really great. Especially because in our slide deck I explain to investors that there is a huge trend around decentralization, and I give the reference
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-09 11:33:06
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-08 15:46:06
were some tricky WebRTC limitations in the early Chrome and Firefox implementations, which they found a clever hack to solve. They're really helpful – it's awesome that they've released the source for it on Github. Glad that you like WebTorrent :) Feross
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 14:29:11
Poortvliet wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2015 07:39:39 Ira wrote: >>   Hello, >> >> Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference >> THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-27 20:49:10
making stuff up based upon hunches? Shallow thinking makes shallow solutions. :-) Nicholas. -- "You can't negotiate with reality." "You can, but it drives a really hard bargain
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-11 22:18:27
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNUnet 2014-06-02 15:11:04
imagine many Windows users getting past https://gnunet.org/content/build-instructions-microsoft-windows-platforms , I’ve never tried it though, putting myself through autoconf hell never really appeals. Will the old version go away when the RTC version is further along?  Is the RTC version currently Chrome only? Cheers Ross
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 15:26:45
really glad this is happening - for one, it's incredibly educational for me, a mere web developer who has never written a line of C professionally. And even that chart is helpful in focusing people's attention. The one thing that rubs me the wrong way is lumping in JSON
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 12:20:44
available code using a proof of validity stored in the Namecoin blockchain. And in the future, delivering code updates via the Avatar network itself. Really interested to see how this works out. Any opinions? [1] http://avatar.ai [2] http://sneakpeek.avatar.ai/technology.html [3] http://www.matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/ Regards Martin
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-01 11:50:23
resource. > > Short term is another matter. There are lots of incremental things > people can and should do now. > I really can't tell, but this might be relevant here. Can anyone interpret the short-form intro? https://github.com/InstantWebP2P/node-httpp/wiki/An-introduction-to-node-httpp Mike
Jonathan Deamer [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 16:21:10
bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/19038/are-there-any-non-monetary-uses-for-the-blockchain-or-the-bitcoin-protocol-gene  (Anti-spam, proof of existence, voting.) Personally, I thought proof of existence seemed the most elegant and obvious-in-hindsight. I really like the idea of Bitcoin as a Mediawiki anti-spam plugin, mainly because of the possibilities it hints at for micropayments (and online content business
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:58:22
little taken aback. But they acknowledge this fact all the time and are working on addressing that. And also, that's really just for publishing things. For using things, even this tiny proof-of-concept Dockerfile for Piwik  got me way farther and was much easier than
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-09 09:25:35
executing in the user's environment, with all APIs removed but for postMessage (no xhr). This excites me for applications like Mint.com, which really needs proper isolation to function ethically. I'm having trouble loading some of Askemos' docs, but I look forward to digging in a bit. Ping
Richard Marr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-05 11:35:55
resource. > > Short term is another matter. There are lots of incremental things > people can and should do now. > I really can't tell, but this might be relevant here.  Can anyone interpret the short-form intro? https://github.com/InstantWebP2P/node-httpp/wiki/An-introduction-to-node-httpp Mike S. -- Richard Marr
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-05 16:13:36
little taken aback. But they acknowledge this fact all the time and are working on addressing that. And also, that's really just for publishing things. For using things, even this tiny proof-of-concept Dockerfile for Piwik  got me way farther and was much easier than
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 11:34:27
closing the source. They exist apart. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Stephan Tual < stephan.tual@ethereum.org > wrote: Agreed - closed source really sucks. Stephan Tual Chief Communications Officer -- sk. stephan.tual tw. @stephantual On Monday, 2 June 2014 at 10:10, Steve Phillips wrote: OpenGarden sounds awesome
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 14:38:21
that it meets the "everybody sees it (or it's in the news) and they click and download it" I know it's never really that simple. But I am throwing this out there because even more censorship is coming.  And there are no captains
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 14:03:18
possible > venue. > > http://creative-collaboration.net/about/contact/ > > London redecentralizers, how does that sound? > > Cheers, Michael > > Wednesdays are *really* hard for me, and the show of hands at December seems to suggest that Tuesdays are good for most people. Might I suggest Tuesday
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-06-06 16:04:20
block of my idea. I need more people that are gifted in these domains to help me out and start working together. I'd really like to be able to talk to someone about this. Basically what I am doing now is to look for people to help
Jonathan Zacsh [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 05:17:00
FWIW, I found this page really helpful: https://redecentralize.github.io/alternative-internet/ (but patchwork wasn't on there, and this is the first I've heard
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 09:53:54
available code using a proof of validity stored in the Namecoin blockchain. And in the future, delivering code updates via the Avatar network itself. Really interested to see how this works out. Any opinions? [1] http://avatar.ai [2] http://sneakpeek.avatar.ai/technology.html [3] http://www.matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/ Regards Martin
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 11:04:28
available code using a proof of validity stored in the Namecoin blockchain. And in the future, delivering code updates via the Avatar network itself. Really interested to see how this works out. Any opinions? [1] http://avatar.ai [2] http://sneakpeek.avatar.ai/technology.html [3] http://www.matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/ Regards Martin
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 10:55:53
functions that this app needs. But XP is ancient and EOL anyway so that's probably okay. It's open source so if someone *really* wants it for XP they can port it and contribute it via GitHub. On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 13:00:12
functions that this app needs. But XP is ancient and EOL anyway so that's probably okay. It's open source so if someone *really* wants it for XP they can port it and contribute it via GitHub. On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com
feross [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 17:25:00
user of patchwork, I will second what Dominic and Paul said. It's really quite an impressive decentralized social network
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 10:00:04
people." I've been programming since I was four and was a Linux user since 1992, but I love my Mac and I love really good user interfaces and zero-configuration apps. Why? Because I have better things to do than futz around with my computer
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 19:33:08
people." I've been programming since I was four and was a Linux user since 1992, but I love my Mac and I love really good user interfaces and zero-configuration apps. Why? Because I have better things to do than futz around with my computer
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:06:32
availability is a satisfactory way of doing so. > "Why do I need to send data through a server?" Doesn't > really make much sense if you can guarantee un-eaves-droppable > end-to-end delivery. > But end-to-end delivery uses a multitude
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-28 08:53:49
Nicholas. > > > > -- "You can't negotiate with reality." "You can, but it drives a > really hard bargain." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT1gGJAAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6eIgH/RbVvSPLOfIlnsvpv5nBVqX5 TLDNEbPiwBrN5OAPFLu6FpY2mq+kLw2EPYH6RPP9zX25Jtyimjz6rpZ5RRjwufdO J5DUaSJsjiq/1n8qfHGuDodlBAKO2bJ6xtj8+xMSSXNEHA4FRuFdCCIvhFuywhM8 fWsFOK12dI1KB7f47vNHYr7zMhFjuWNsSAGCE8JdTfDKVuYoFQf4bdyFCcblCBPb Uz8RA4MAIiUXwbMC8IkHgddKb/n/+dcLfBHlCDwjEcIGKWfdruDmK4jTihDq0g/r zpQdUO9Ve96jXu0wvaof6zIjeuH4051J5S5pfeoPmmvAKIGJ0w5U7pSOFd0A3tE= =V2vV
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
read/write access to a section of the DOM for rendering its UI, and no other privileges. This solves the data-containment issue. This really clarified things to me.  Thanks.  It's a nice example to show where our approaches take a different route to the same result
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
read/write access to a section of the DOM for rendering its UI, and no other privileges. This solves the data-containment issue. This really clarified things to me.  Thanks.  It's a nice example to show where our approaches take a different route to the same
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 15:33:14
software, because without access to the source code, you can't ensure that the software actually does what it claims to do. It's really not about property. > I pay them for the license and I get a copy of their library to use > for that part
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
systems), self-data... whatever you call it : development of system that empowers the individual to take back of their data, in order to be really empowered by their data working for their interest, and to benefit from an open and profuse market of services. 2/ Big Data and P2P : peer
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 16:36:16
software, because without access to the source code, you can't ensure that the software actually does what it claims to do. It's really not about property. > I pay them for the license and I get a copy of their library to use > for that part
Louise Ishka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-03 08:38:06
little taken aback. But they acknowledge this fact all the time and are working on addressing that. And also, that's really just for publishing things. For using things, even this tiny proof-of-concept Dockerfile for Piwik  got me way farther and was much easier than the official
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 14:52:13
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 09:56:05
need your help to get it. Our entry: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/the-shadow-internet-a-censorship-free-communication-infrastructure Please create an account at this website, upvote and discuss our entry! We really could the funds for a few extra pair of hands in the team. This is not illegal astroturfing, they only fund initiatives with proven deep
Johan Pouwelse [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 18:36:20
www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/the-shadow-internet-a-censorship-free-communication-infrastructure >> >> Please create an account at this website, upvote and discuss our entry! >> We really could the funds for a few extra pair of hands in the team. >> This is not illegal astroturfing, they only fund initiatives with proven
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 13:41:47
www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/the-shadow-internet-a-censorship-free-communication-infrastructure >> >> Please create an account at this website, upvote and discuss our entry! >> We really could the funds for a few extra pair of hands in the team. >> This is not illegal astroturfing, they only fund initiatives with proven
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 15:58:45
Really neat idea, Paul. It seems like the main technical challenge is abstracting this in a way that's easy for both developers and users to understand and change. The main nontechnical challenge is just convincing people it's worth it. A live proof of concept would go a long
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 15:18:15
here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44UuUbiyVZg . Paul F On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Really neat idea, Paul. It seems like the main technical challenge is abstracting this in a way that's easy for both developers and users to understand
Francis Irving [LibreList] Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 20:07:43
g!   I'm going to do a session on decentralized file sync/backup tools. Get
Francis Irving [LibreList] DataCoin 2013-12-25 00:29:40
cute that it only can store 513Gb per year. Has to have some other personal chains hanging off it for more storage: 10. People really need to store more than 513Gb of data per year in decentralized storage. Do you have any plans to increase storage space? Datacoin
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:14:11
meets the "everybody sees it (or it's in the news) and they click and download it" I know it's never really that simple. But I am throwing this out there because even more censorship is coming. And there are no captains, and we do need
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 17:46:44
available code using a proof of validity stored in the Namecoin blockchain. And in the future, delivering code updates via the Avatar network itself. Really interested to see how this works out. Any opinions? [1] http://avatar.ai [2] http://sneakpeek.avatar.ai/technology.html [3] http://www.matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/ Regards Martin
Johan Pouwelse [LibreList] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 15:43:07
need your help to get it. Our entry: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/the-shadow-internet-a-censorship-free-communication-infrastructure Please create an account at this website, upvote and discuss our entry! We really could the funds for a few extra pair of hands in the team. This is not illegal astroturfing, they only fund initiatives with proven deep