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Jeremy Malcolm [LibreList] Digital consumers breaking through the cloud 2014-03-25 10:53:12
Hello, I'm new to this list but I've been working on digital rights and FOSS for years and will be joining the staff of Electronic Frontier Foundation in May.  I just published this article in which I name-check Redecentralise the Internet: http://www.digitalnewsasia.com/insights/digital-consumers-breaking-through-the-cloud It concludes /...\ Ultimately it boils down to your right to express and own your own personhood online. Just as it was in the pre-digital world, when our personal diaries and correspondence were amongst our most precious private possessions, so it should be online.   But more than relics of a lost /...\ rights that underlie these lost expectations remain as relevant today as ever. Indeed, they derive from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which guarantees us all freedom from arbitrary interference with our privacy and correspondence, and the right to receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
guess "detect then mitigate" is out. At least without manual intervention to identify that an attack is occurring. I think you're ultimately right, and you've shifted my thinking just a little. The CAP theorem, while relevant, is probably not the central bugaboo. The central problem is trust. What /...\ network is concerned. But that's not what *we*, the sentient beings that use it, want. We want the network to do "the right thing," but what's that? How does the network know what the right thing is? As far as its concerned, when 51% of the network extends /...\ block chain that's the right thing... right? Another way of putting this is that the Bitcoin users solve the trust problem by trusting the majority, where resistance to a Sybil attack comes from allocating votes proportional to computing power. Which works great until some entity amasses enough computing power
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
Christian, Go right ahead! :) Yes, in the village case (#2), they are more interested in connecting their village (i.e. residents with one another) locally and to other neighbouring villages through wifi and directional antennas. Internet is secondary. Also should make it clear at this point that this /...\ school online community building to see if they have any thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward? Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally? Christian Anish Mangal wrote: > Hi hk (sorry don't have your name), > > Thank /...\ learn about the internet. I do not claim to be smarter than anybody, > certainly in the sense that my way is the right way - but I do recognize > that it is important to discuss things which people might not be a ware > of on their own when
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
Anish Mangal wrote: > Hi Christian, > > Go right ahead! :) > > Yes, in the village case (#2), they are more interested in connecting > their village (i.e. residents with one another) locally and to other > neighbouring villages through wifi and directional antennas. Internet is > secondary /...\ community building to see if they have > any thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward? > > Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally? > > Christian > > Anish Mangal wrote: > > Hi hk (sorry don't have /...\ about the internet. I do not claim to be smarter than > anybody, > > certainly in the sense that my way is the right way - but I do > recognize > > that it is important to discuss things which people might not be a > ware
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
decentralizing the application layer is that it involves distributing authority. For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth in wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only works well for organizations, the user-identities have to live within the orgs. That's a centralizing effect that /...\ society behave in a approximately helpful manner. Animals don't really have property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce those "rights" personally. So what they have is a "possesion" (a non-abstract form of property). There are no absentee landlords in the non-human animal kingdom /...\ estate by interfacing with systems of contracts and laws that date back thousands of years. Basically, you just punish people who transgress the property rights, this requires police and lawyers and courts and prisons, and a millitary to protect your property system from neibouring property systems... Given the property system
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth >> > in >> > wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only works well for organizations, >> > the >> > user-identities have to live within the orgs. That's a centralizing /...\ really have >> >> property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce >> >> those "rights" personally. >> >> So what they have is a "possesion" (a non-abstract form of property). >> >> There /...\ laws that date back >> >> thousands of years. Basically, you just >> >> punish people who transgress the property rights, this requires police >> >> and lawyers and courts and prisons, >> >> and a millitary to protect your property system
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
school online community building to see if they have any thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward? Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally? Christian Anish Mangal wrote: > Hi hk (sorry don't have your name), > > Thank /...\ learn about the internet. I do not claim to be smarter than anybody, > certainly in the sense that my way is the right way - but I do recognize > that it is important to discuss things which people might not be a ware > of on their own when /...\ place :-) > > > The problem with "educating people" is that you're already coming with > the assumption that you're right, and they should come to agreement with > your position if only they had the correct information. It might not > feel like this
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
that it involves > distributing authority. > > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth in > wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only works well for organizations, the > user-identities have to live within the orgs. That's a centralizing effect /...\ manner. >> Animals don't really have >> property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce >> those "rights" personally. >> So what they have is a "possesion" (a non-abstract form of property). >> There are no absentee landlords /...\ systems of contracts and laws that date back >> thousands of years. Basically, you just >> punish people who transgress the property rights, this requires police >> and lawyers and courts and prisons, >> and a millitary to protect your property system from neibouring
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
that it involves > distributing authority. > > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth in > wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only works well for organizations, the > user-identities have to live within the orgs. That's a centralizing effect /...\ Animals don't really have >> property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce >> those "rights" personally. >> So what they have is a "possesion" (a non-abstract form of property). >> There are no absentee landlords /...\ systems of contracts and laws that date back >> thousands of years. Basically, you just >> punish people who transgress the property rights, this requires police >> and lawyers and courts and prisons, >> and a millitary to protect your property system from neibouring
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:45:20
right. I need to see how the alternatives perform in real use-cases. I think it'll be difficult to make feature parity with HTTP from greenfield projects, which is why I'm skeptical. For instance, GNUnet's protocol is restricted to file-sharing, while HTTP can do file sharing /...\ squatters. On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: My instinct is that long game, they're right and HTTP is fatally flawed. It is a fundamentally centralizing protocol - the domain in a URL is both the name of the resource /...\ term is another matter. There are lots of incremental things people can and should do now. The dig at WebRTC is uncalled for - yes, right now you have to have some other identity system to use it, and that is necessarily central. But it's an open standard, pluggable compontent
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
wrote: > > RT>"open source" for me is tantamount to promiscuous copying without > regards to ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early > days of communism believed this was an ideal. But no one but a thief > would dream of going into /...\ visitor. Second-hand bookstore are not illegal. Public libraries either. "Intellectual property" is a confusing legal construct that covers anything from authorship rights to patent laws. It would be akin to say that a fence, a kitchen, and a book belong to the same "physical property /...\ your car vendor would deem appropriate to prevent you from driving certain roads that were not available when they sold you the car: right, nobody would accept this. Yet, many accept that hardware or software vendors have a say on what you can do with "your own", legally
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 13:00:12
right now on a Linux cloud server or in a Linux VM if you want. Ah, of course. I'll probably do that to preserve my native configuration as well. I'll let you know how it goes. Paul F On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Adam /...\ working, but there are still some rough edges around what goes into the registry to configure the tap devices properly so that they look right in the native Windows network connection dialogs. I want the user to be able to use those dialogs too to do things like set firewall /...\ want to do a few weeks of my own testing and let auto-update run several times in various VMs. You can try it right now on a Linux cloud server or in a Linux VM if you want. BTW, Windows 7 and 8 will be supported. Vista will probably
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
interfacing with systems of contracts and laws that date back > thousands of years. Basically, you just > punish people who transgress the property rights, this requires police > and lawyers and courts and prisons, > and a millitary to protect your property system from neibouring > property systems /...\ serve the wrong thing? > (this could be malicious or by accident) These are *some* of those issues I skipped. You are right: that's the easy part. Once we got rid of the idea that we need servers the blog is no longer going to be on you laptop /...\ naturally. I agree that using human society as the model is the most important step to be taken at this point. We have property, right and contracts. Every programmer will tell you that they can program everything they understand well enough to explain formally. Why not these? > Small scale
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 14:44:40
behave in a approximately helpful manner. Animals don't really have property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce those "rights" personally. So what they have is a "possesion" (a non-abstract form of property). There are no absentee landlords /...\ estate by interfacing with systems of contracts and laws that date back thousands of years. Basically, you just punish people who transgress the property rights, this requires police and lawyers and courts and prisons, and a millitary to protect your property system from neibouring property systems... Given the property system /...\ Even if a more democratic many-smaller-players solution could win in the ecosystem and even in the market place, it can’t right now because it is too technically challenging to deploy. > >> Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization. >> But suppose
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:08:18
society behave in a approximately helpful manner. Animals don't really have property. Sure, some animals have territory - but they tend to enforce those "rights" personally. So what they have is a "possesion" (a non-abstract form of property). There are no absentee landlords in the non-human animal kingdom /...\ estate by interfacing with systems of contracts and laws that date back thousands of years. Basically, you just punish people who transgress the property rights, this requires police and lawyers and courts and prisons, and a millitary to protect your property system from neibouring property systems... Given the property system /...\ more democratic many-smaller-players solution could win in the ecosystem and even in the market place, it can’t right now because it is too technically challenging to deploy. > >> Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization. >> But suppose Google
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 21:02:50
motivation to learn about the internet. I do not claim to be smarter than anybody, certainly in the sense that my way is the right way - but I do recognize that it is important to discuss things which people might not be aware of on their own when they first /...\ making > internet a better place :-) > The problem with "educating people" is that you're already coming with the assumption that you're right, and they should come to agreement with your position if only they had the correct information.  It might not feel like this /...\ informational world that can be reduced to ones and zeros.  If you come to a conversation with the assumption that you're right and your interlocutor needs to be educated, then you're not ready to listen to them and understand where you might be wrong
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:06:32
wrote: > > RT>"open source" for me is tantamount to promiscuous copying without > regards to ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early > days of communism believed this was an ideal. But no one but a thief > would dream of going into /...\ visitor. Second-hand bookstore are not illegal. Public libraries either. "Intellectual property" is a confusing legal construct that covers anything from authorship rights to patent laws. It would be akin to say that a fence, a kitchen, and a book belong to the same "physical property /...\ your car vendor would deem appropriate to prevent you from driving certain roads that were not available when they sold you the car: right, nobody would accept this. Yet, many accept that hardware or software vendors have a say on what you can do with "your own", legally
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-05 16:13:36
Sinatra and Jekyll libraries for participating. >> >> I don't have a big relevant project going on right now, but I >> have a small one, and I could use this list's input about it. >> >> Basically, I am interested in making /...\ that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie >>  together a bunch of the technologies people here are working
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 11:17:34
internet a better place :-) > The problem with "educating people" is that you're already coming with the assumption that you're right, and they should come to agreement with your position if only they had the correct information. It might not feel like this /...\ informational world that can be reduced to ones and zeros. If you come to a conversation with the assumption that you're right and your interlocutor needs to be educated, then you're not ready to listen to them and understand where you might be wrong. An awful
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:42:22
instinct is that long game, they're right and HTTP is fatally flawed. It is a fundamentally centralizing protocol - the domain in a URL is both the name of the resource *and* the place you go to get that resource. Short term is another matter. There are lots of incremental /...\ things people can and should do now. The dig at WebRTC is uncalled for - yes, right now you have to have some other identity system to use it, and that is necessarily central. But it's an open standard, pluggable compontent that can be used in lots of ways
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 01:16:33
Webfinger , and did Sinatra and Jekyll libraries for participating. I don't have a big relevant project going on right now, but I have a small one, and I could use this list's input about it. Basically, I am interested in making it easy for regular people to take /...\ heard of, things that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie together a bunch of the technologies people here are working on.  I could also imagine using Docker
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 10:55:53
working, but there are still some rough edges around what goes into the registry to configure the tap devices properly so that they look right in the native Windows network connection dialogs. I want the user to be able to use those dialogs too to do things like set firewall /...\ want to do a few weeks of my own testing and let auto-update run several times in various VMs. You can try it right now on a Linux cloud server or in a Linux VM if you want. BTW, Windows 7 and 8 will be supported. Vista will probably
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 23:56:09
Webfinger, and did Sinatra > and Jekyll libraries for participating. > > I don't have a big relevant project going on right now, but I have a > small one, and I could use this list's input about it. > > Basically, I am interested in making /...\ heard of, things > that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. I > haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie > together a bunch of the technologies people here are working on. > > I could also imagine using
Eva Pascoe [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 Session idea: The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ? 2015-10-16 10:55:10
legal framework that is supporting decentralisation.  In conjunction with WebWeWant foundation (Tim Berners-Lee led) we are consulting on Digital Bill of Rights and one of the core proposition is increasing the legal support of decentralised Internet economy. Tom Watson is a signatory of Digital Bill of Rights
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:58:22
Sinatra and Jekyll libraries for participating. >> >> I don't have a big relevant project going on right now, but I >> have a small one, and I could use this list's input about it. >> >> Basically, I am interested in making /...\ that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie >>  together a bunch of the technologies people here are working
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:29:51
interesting" result: an incorruptible system has pair-wise symmetric permissions initially. (Independent of how permissions are represented)  Next: we know there are inalienable rights in real world.  To be able to model those correctly we must proof that no operation is be able to transfer _all_ those permissions /...\ handling to the extend that they never thought about adding a real user interface at all.  For years that is.  Once done right it worked for them. Second surprise: a manager (from a partner company) was enthusiastic in the beginning about having a system which can ensure absence
Pierre Ozoux [GG] Re: Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-08 01:56:00
starting my crypto investigations, but these can be implemented on top of ethereum, right? But yes, I think Steven is right also, this can also be on top of IPFS. What I can see from eth is that the data storage might be IPFS. I think it is really exciting
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
correct results b) conflicting interests iff they where trying to play foul. In an ideal world, we would integrate some Askemos-compliant cache code right into the users browser. In practice we run a process for the user close to the browser, typically at the same machine. Autonomy in this /...\ mint.com's machines? > I'm having trouble loading some of Askemos' docs, Please send details to me off-list. I'll shall investigate. Right now let me tell you: there are some old docs still linked, which we would like to drop since we broke the underlying implementation during
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
correct results b) conflicting interests iff they where trying to play foul. In an ideal world, we would integrate some Askemos-compliant cache code right into the users browser.  In practice we run a process for the user close to the browser, typically at the same machine. Autonomy /...\ machines? > I'm having trouble loading some of Askemos' docs, Please send details to me off-list.  I'll shall investigate. Right now let me tell you: there are some old docs still linked, which we would like to drop since we broke the underlying implementation during
Louise Ishka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-03 08:38:06
Sinatra and Jekyll libraries for participating. >> >> I don't have a big relevant project going on right now, but I >> have a small one, and I could use this list's input about it. >> >> Basically, I am interested in making /...\ that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie >>  together a bunch of the technologies people here are working on. >> >> >> I could
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 19:00:50
Sinatra and Jekyll libraries for participating. >> >> I don't have a big relevant project going on right now, but I >> have a small one, and I could use this list's input about it. >> >> Basically, I am interested in making /...\ things >> that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie >> together a bunch of the technologies people here are working
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Zooko's triangle vs. Gödel incompleteness the 2014-08-25 10:58:38
triangle as the intention to collect proofs for name-value pairs into some system. Maybe I'm already wrong here? If I'm right, then name-value pairs would be "sentences in a language" (for the Gödel side). The collecting system would essentially perform
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:52:36
Even if a more democratic many-smaller-players solution could win in the ecosystem and even in the market place, it can’t right now because it is too technically challenging to deploy. > Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization. > But suppose Google now served
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
emerging and I have to say I am intrigued enough by my recent dips into it to wonder if the time is not right to revisit some of these ideas.   If the meeting comes up with interest do get in touch! thanks      Christian   will.sch wrote
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:07:09
that it > involves distributing authority. > > For instance, we need to authenticate users. The only distributed auth > in wide use right now is PKI. Since PKI only works well for > organizations, the user-identities have to live within the orgs. > That's a centralizing effect
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 13:59:28
after-the-fact. If there's been a keypair compromise, the owner has to publish a revocation cert (you... did make a revocation cert, right?) and distribute it before too much damage is done. For two (2) there's only one kind of relationship in PGP's WoT, the "verified
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:53:52
after-the-fact. If there's been a keypair compromise, the owner has to publish a revocation cert (you... did make a revocation cert, right?) and distribute it before too much damage is done. For two (2) there's only one kind of relationship in PGP's WoT, the "verified
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
solution is to just charge for this stuff and fight the race to the bottom. Another idea I had is charge corporations for the right to use the tech and make it cheap or attractive enough than the alternative. This is why I tell people I am not an Open
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:50:39
need to see if they want to give an interview. We'll have to make up the process for getting stuff online in the right formats, but we'll manage. And thanks for stepping up :) Ross  On 29 Nov 2014, at 21:21, Virgil Griffith < i@virgil.gr > wrote
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:28:40
limited > value and i suggest to rather write down something more directly applicate > to the site and project. You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant parts. > I am certainly not alone in appreciating if you, Irina and Francis stay > majorly involved
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 02:23:24
value and i suggest to rather write down something more directly applicate > to the site and project. You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant parts. > I am certainly not alone in appreciating if you, Irina and Francis stay > majorly involved
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 11:10:40
value and i suggest to rather write down something >> more directly applicate to the site and project. > > You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant > parts. > >> I am certainly not alone in appreciating if you, Irina
fernando.gs@gmail.com [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:17:15
suggest to rather write down something >>> more directly applicate to the site and project. >> >> You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant >> parts. >> >>> I am certainly not alone in appreciating
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:37:56
rather write down something >>> more directly applicate to the site and project. >> >> You’re right of course, we probably should extract the relevant >> parts. >> >>> I am certainly not alone in appreciating
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 12:07:38
later). This would have > sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed to > this list right now :-) > > Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) > services we provide and internet websites we allow access
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
later). This would have > sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed to > this list right now :-) > > Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) > services we provide and internet websites we allow access
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 08:45:25
phones and tablets and get their software not from markets, but distribution systems like app stores. I fear the ideal that markets do the right thing is a joke because they are impossible to have in a capitalist society
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
have > > sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm > subscribed to > > this list right now :-) > > > > Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) > > services we provide and internet websites
juh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 09:13:41
makes sense, and some > groups are organising team meetups around the same time. It's not odd, if used for the right thing. Unfortunately I cannot come. Really bad. I hope that there will be some discussions about the question: What do we really want to do? I think
Tristan Nitot [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 15:33:59
makes sense, and some >> groups are organising team meetups around the same time. > It's not odd, if used for the right thing. Unfortunately I cannot come. > Really bad. > > I hope that there will be some discussions about the question: What
Julien Rabier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 14:06:09
huge a gap > as between vegan food and McDonald's. Am I on the wrong list? I think you're in the right place, people trying to sell proprietary stuff are not. Welcome here hellekin ! taziden
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 09:14:06
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/02/2015 09:06 AM, Julien Rabier wrote: > > I think you're in the right place, people trying to sell proprietary > stuff are not. > > Welcome here hellekin ! > > taziden > Hey taziden! Glad to see you here
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:18:42
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
emerging and I have to say I am intrigued enough by my recent dips into it to wonder if the time is not right to revisit some of these ideas. If the meeting comes up with interest do get in touch! thanks  Christian will.sch wrote: Hi, I'm Will
Joakim Stai [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Webcasts / Periscope 2015-10-17 11:19:48
Here's the YouTube live stream, live right now: http://youtu.be/L-3sI_q9CDc On Friday, 16 October 2015, Filipe Farinha < filipe@ktorn.com > wrote: Hi all, Will there be recordings or webcasts of the sessions? I'm hugely interested in following the event, but being in Macau
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Webcasts / Periscope 2015-10-17 11:55:30
Joakim Stai < joakimstai@gmail.com > wrote: Here's the YouTube live stream, live right now: http://youtu.be/L-3sI_q9CDc On Friday, 16 October 2015, Filipe Farinha < filipe@ktorn.com > wrote: Hi all, Will there be recordings or webcasts of the sessions? I'm hugely interested in following
Filipe Farinha [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Webcasts / Periscope 2015-10-18 10:22:06
Joakim Stai <joakimstai@gmail.com > <mailto:joakimstai@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Here's the YouTube live stream, live right now: > http://youtu.be/L-3sI_q9CDc > > On Friday, 16 October 2015, Filipe Farinha <filipe@ktorn.com > <mailto:filipe@ktorn.com>> wrote
Adrien [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 23:26:00
host the redecentralize list for free and to take care that the previous issues encountered with librelist don't occur again. Am I right? Using Google now is a bit like sending a signal saying that we don't believe in what we do. If it was about finding
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 01:52:00
solutions, 2) in so doing, any developers / product designers reading to learn pain points big and small that need addressing. Markdown please (that's right, isn't it Ross?). And some pictures / subheadings to make it look good. And feel free to split it up if it starts
dominic.tarr [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 16:21:00
actually is on it, but it's really out of date - back when patchwork was called "phoenix". oh, hmm... it does have the right data actually https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet/blob/master/projects/patchwork.json but it needs to be regenerated
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] A blog post 2013-12-18 14:53:07
finished fixing > Jekyll to behave the way we want it to. I’m a little short of time > right now until Friday night, unless anybody feels they can find a > little time to add the RSS feed to > https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website/tree/now-with-added-blogs > > > Ross
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] A blog post 2013-12-18 18:41:47
finished fixing > Jekyll to behave the way we want it to. I’m a little short of time > right now until Friday night, unless anybody feels they can find a > little time to add the RSS feed to > https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website/tree/now-with-added-blogs
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] A blog post 2013-12-18 14:06:11
finished fixing Jekyll to behave the way we want it to. I’m a little short of time right now until Friday night, unless anybody feels they can find a little time to add the RSS feed to  https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website/tree/now-with-added-blogs   Ross
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 16:07:02
registered it first). [...] The twister incentive is: whoever finds the hash collision to validate a new block of transactions will be awarded with the right to send a promoted message. Promoted messages have a certain probability of being displayed by twister client." Spam As A Service ;-) _Martin
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-01 11:50:23
Francis Irving wrote: > My instinct is that long game, they're right and HTTP is fatally > flawed. > > It is a fundamentally centralizing protocol - the domain in a URL is > both the name of the resource *and* the place you go to get that > resource
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2015-09-07 08:47:29
XSCE, we are a active global volunteer community working to foster grassroots learning and education in the remotest corners of the world. Right now our model of implementation is to have offline content-loaded servers hosted in schools and villages providing access to media and collaboration tools. If there
Richard Marr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-05 11:35:55
mike@mikedeplume.com > wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-30 at 11:42 +0000, Francis Irving wrote: > My instinct is that long game, they're right and HTTP is fatally > flawed. > > It is a fundamentally centralizing protocol - the domain in a URL is > both the name
Shannon Tyler Cunningham [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 04:32:00
commercial ... funds from the local administration went into the deployment of the server and network there. Me and a colleague are brainstorming ways right now to make this sustainable and scalable. In the context of the open source project (which is XSCE - School Server Community Edition) , it is a loose
Thomas Levine [GG] Distributed Dance Party update 2018-06-18 23:34:00
been an incredibly hectic 11 months and sadly there's no time do it   all justice right now, as we're rapidly preparing for DogeCon!       [5f64bd4a-e6eb-4f88-a5a4-2b535be19edd]       Anyhow, very briefly, within the past
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 14:38:21
understading that moxie0 prefers this direction, but I haven't been tracking it closely enough to say what is going on with it right now)  -->   http://tack.io/      2)g.1. See also the Tack internet draft(!) at http://tack.io/draft.html
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 11:05:11
your reasoning behind it? RT>"open source" for me is tantamount to promiscuous copying without regards to ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early days of communism believed this was an ideal. But no one but a thief would dream of going into a retail store
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 12:31:08
hear that they don't feel like learning as much as Whispersystems has, or spending the time that they do on getting it Right. -- Eric On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: As a warning, you've got to be careful
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-01 10:22:03
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
those worker scripts to talk to each other while running at different peers/browsers.  Would this be supported?  Right now I'm not sure how I would do this among web pages
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
those worker scripts to talk to each other while running at different peers/browsers.  Would this be supported?  Right now I'm not sure how I would do this among web pages
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 15:33:14
software that they can get the source code of without payment? Well, to sustain its development, because someone else is doing the right job, and also because maybe they're not themselves programmers and still want to use the software, so they'd better ensure that it remains sustainable. Funding
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
integrity. 4/ personal data portability: things are going well in France and in EU : regulations has begun to take this point as a fundamental right. But 1/ the texts are not perfect and 2/ many initiatives must be conducted so that an economy taking the portability constraint as an opportunity
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 16:36:16
software that they can get the source code of without payment? Well, to sustain its development, because someone else is doing the right job, and also because maybe they're not themselves programmers and still want to use the software, so they'd better ensure that it remains sustainable. Funding
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 14:52:13
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-30 15:00:08
principle Person-First, putting  people first , the very thing that is being squeezed out of all of our technology from every side right now as it’s twisted into corporate-first and government-first.  We the people are being lost in the battle between those
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-31 19:36:04
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:14:11
understading that moxie0 prefers this direction, but I haven't been tracking it closely enough to say what is going on with it right now) --> http://tack.io/ 2)g.1. See also the Tack internet draft(!) at http://tack.io/draft.html 2)g.2. See also reference TACK implementations https://github.com/tack
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Hello! 2015-09-02 22:02:28
XSCE, we are a active global volunteer community working to foster grassroots learning and education in the remotest corners of the world. Right now our model of implementation is to have offline content-loaded servers hosted in schools and villages providing access to media and collaboration tools. If there
Nina Bianchi [LibreList] Internet blackout simulation workshop @ Eyebeam 2014-03-21 11:07:46
eyebeam.org/events/eyebeam-square-an-internet-blackout-simulation-event   Eyebeam (if you aren't already familiar) is a great space / org. With everything going on in Turkey, the timing is right. I'll be helping a bit at the event. Lots of mesh folks (through the  Commotion  project) will be there.  Nina
P S [LibreList] First Person Technologies 2014-03-29 17:32:15
principle Person-First, putting  people first , the very thing that is being squeezed out of all of our technology from every side right now as it’s twisted into corporate-first and government-first.  We the people are being lost in the battle between those
Anish Mangal [LibreList] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 15:55:01
postponing for later). This would have sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed to this list right now :-) Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still
Steve Phillips [GG] Which decentralized products _would_ you use day to day if they existed? Why? 2016-07-26 00:36:00
This question is similar to the one asked along the right-hand panel at http://redecentralize.org/ , but I'm especially curious as to  why  people want these apps decentralized. Surely Francis, Irina, and Ross have thought of some examples
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] London panelist? 2014-04-25 08:01:11
Telehash is exactly the decentralized networking category :) We're right in the middle if supporting transparent mesh connectivity over BLE and 802.15.4 as well... I'll see if there's anyone in our community that might be able to join, wish I was in the area, sounds super interesting
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
crypto peer to peer system including the one I built. Every packet is MAC'd using a key derived from a DH agreement, etc. Right, the crypto is a solved problem. The issue is that if you send a packet to a Sybil, it throws it away. After the timeout
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:52:55
lookup and routing problems you're aiming to solve with ZeroTier. I have an admission to make. I did a very un-academic right-brainy thing, in that I made a little bit of a leap. When I read “phase transition” it was sort of an epiphany moment
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
significant loss to an attacker. > The goal is just to build a system where the cost of an attack is so high Right, of course. The trouble is there could be realistic DoS attacks within the capabilities of various notorious internet trolls which are legitimately hard to defend against