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ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
European perspective ? What are the major trends ? The internet is increasingly centralized onto few nodes of control. This centralization of data and therefore of services, is at the core of the power of Californian oligopolies. They can buy new incomers to consolidate their position, whatever the price is. This imbalance /...\ hosted by a hosting company such as a bank, where he can aggregate all his data in order to have more frictionless and relevant services. 8 years ago nobody had a smartphone. In 8 years everybody will have his personal server. The convenience of having a lot of your data /...\ Google is the frictionless experience and the relevance of personalized services. In your personal cloud you can go much further on those two axes since on your personal cloud you can aggregate safely much more data than Google will ever have : health, finance, center of interests... The services can thus
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-11 22:18:27
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 01:52:00
when each asked for > my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I > wanted to use Google Location Services. I then installed F-Droid and > Aptoide to get some apps to interface with my server. It's not a > perfect solution /...\ work all the time, so I decided it's > best left to the pros. As a result, I just pay for IMAP service from > my registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not > bothering with my own email server is because /...\ better solutions? > > Danny > > On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: > > > >Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? > > > >Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
free and almost free world that corporations push now is no help because people are not used to paying for software anymore, or services. Maybe the solution is to just charge for this stuff and fight the race to the bottom. Another idea I had is charge corporations /...\ beer” also encourages the development of dishonest pseudo-free business models, such as the use of surveillance to monetize free services. In the late 90s, many services and online media outlets tried a paid or freemium model. People mostly refused to pay. Meanwhile the services that opted for pseudo /...\ Your post reminds me of another sent to this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 15:34:56
Gmail >> address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I wanted to use >> Google >> Location Services. I then installed F-Droid and Aptoide to get some >> apps to >> interface with my server. It's not a perfect solution /...\ time, so I decided it's best left to the pros. >> As a >> result, I just pay for IMAP service from my registrar and leave it at >> that >> because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server /...\ Danny >> >> >> On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: >> >> Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? >> >> Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 14:15:09
SKIP when each asked for my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I wanted to use Google Location Services. I then installed F-Droid and Aptoide to get some apps to interface with my server. It's not a perfect solution, but it's easy /...\ email to work all the time, so I decided it's best left to the pros. As a result, I just pay for IMAP service from my registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server is because I wish /...\ front of a proper computer. Anyone know of better solutions? Danny On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 11:40:51
SKIP when each asked for my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I wanted to use Google Location Services. I then installed F-Droid and Aptoide to get some apps to interface with my server. It's not a perfect solution, but it's easy /...\ email to work all the time, so I decided it's best left to the pros. As a result, I just pay for IMAP service from my registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server is because I wish /...\ front of a proper computer. Anyone know of better solutions? Danny On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 17:36:48
SKIP when each asked for my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I wanted to use Google Location Services. I then installed F-Droid and Aptoide to get some apps to interface with my server. It's not a perfect solution, but it's easy /...\ email to work all the time, so I decided it's best left to the pros. As a result, I just pay for IMAP service from my registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server is because I wish /...\ front of a proper computer. Anyone know of better solutions? Danny On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 10:16:04
SKIP when each asked for my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I wanted to use Google Location Services. I then installed F-Droid and Aptoide to get some apps to interface with my server. It's not a perfect solution, but it's easy /...\ email to work all the time, so I decided it's best left to the pros. As a result, I just pay for IMAP service from my registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server is because I wish /...\ front of a proper computer. Anyone know of better solutions? Danny On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe
juh [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 22:25:00
There is not only a list of reasons why services gets centralized but also a list of questions what decentralize service to use instead. I think it would be futile to consent about a decentralize service only on this list. I think all of us would like /...\ move from googlegroups (which I really don't like to use) to $decentralizedservice? I think the biggest problem for now is to decide which service to choose instead of a mainstream one. A network that would greatly support a working group is Retroshare. I tried it but I never felt
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:02:36
firewall still does anything to protect us from is the threat of a worm exploiting a true remote hole in a common local service. That threat could be mitigated if OSes did a better job running services in isolation... just kill the offending infected service container, and the system /...\ firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto. On Jul 4 , 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:27:01
firewall still does anything to protect us from is the threat of a worm exploiting a true remote hole in a common local service. That threat could be mitigated if OSes did a better job running services in isolation... just kill the offending infected service container, and the system /...\ firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto. On Jul 4 , 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-05 16:13:36
working on Cozy Cloud. It aims at providing every one an abstraction layer on top of you server so that you can deploy your services by a simple click in the (open) "market place" (but you can deploy just by giving the github url of the source of your /...\ released by Nodejitsu). For now we are only nodejs compatible, but it will change soon ! (especially with Docker :) Cozy provides the "DataSystem" : a node.js service to store and share the data between the apps. Thanks to it, any app can access any data : mail, contact, events, notes, history of geolocation /...\ Jacob Cook what he thinks >  about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into > arkOS. > > Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security, > not to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker > container. > > -- Martin
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:31:53
beer” also encourages the development of dishonest pseudo-free business models, such as the use of surveillance to monetize free services. In the late 90s, many services and online media outlets tried a paid or freemium model. People mostly refused to pay. Meanwhile the services that opted for pseudo /...\ Your post reminds me of another sent to this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:21:49
beer” also encourages the development of dishonest pseudo-free business models, such as the use of surveillance to monetize free services. In the late 90s, many services and online media outlets tried a paid or freemium model. People mostly refused to pay. Meanwhile the services that opted for pseudo /...\ Your post reminds me of another sent to this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:31:33
firewall still does anything to protect us from is the threat of a worm exploiting a true remote hole in a common local service. That threat could be mitigated if OSes did a better job running services in isolation... just kill the offending infected service container, and the system /...\ firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto. On Jul 4 , 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
indicate an informal (but complete!) specification which is published online, and which acts like a contract between two nodes. A consumer of a Web service (a User Agent) then fetches links, queries the links by looking for reltypes that it understands, and then begins communicating with the endpoints of those /...\ with similar issues.  Just you're concerned with them at the client/browser side of the game, while we were looking at the service side (avoiding to say "server" here since it's yet another client/peer). Mint's application is hosted by remote servers which proxy to your bank /...\ links are used to export/discover the interfaces between those two threads. I don't attempt to solve the need to trust Citibank's remote service, but I do offer a way to extend Citibank's software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint, in this case, is one such extension
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 10:55:53
Thanks! Windows basically works now, built with Visual Studio 2012. I just got done packaging the app into a Windows service so it can run properly in the background instead of from an admin console window. I've also built the Qt GUI for Windows and it works well /...\ download the update, verify it against the list of authorized update signing certs, and then exec() the update in place. On Windows the service has to execute some kind of intermediate, die, and then the intermediate has to run the update and then start the service again. Annoying... more moving
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located in netconf-service/ in the source tree. You're free to examine it. The netconf master can be made high-availability by setting /...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located in netconf-service/ in the source tree. You're free to examine it. The netconf master can be made high-availability by setting /...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located in netconf-service/ in the source tree. You're free to examine it. The netconf master can be made high-availability by setting /...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:35:23
where decentralization is easy and one where it’s almost prohibitively hard. The former might contain lots of market niches for centralized products, services, and trust chains, but the latter all but *prohibits* decentralized approaches to anything. For decentralized networks, non-local firewalls and *especially* NAT present /...\ Sustainability: the resources (earned via ads, see above) to > invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to > build new services (GOTO 1) > > IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology > and the raw IP protocol. However /...\ agree with you, Adam, that NATs > are making it even harder to grow sustained decentralized deployments of > software and services. But we also need to consider monetization or > economical sustainability, easy software distribution and well evolved > forms of collective deployments of software
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a service located in netconf-service/ in the source tree. You're free to examine it. The netconf master can be made high-availability by setting /...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 13:20:45
coming to attention of users, all useful for tracking > and showing ads which brings monetization. So: we need to replace servers by some service running at the users end of the wire. (Like some script running in browser's cache, secretly downloading missing components on demand from something akin /...\ Sustainability: the resources (earned via ads, see above) to > invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to > build new services (GOTO 1) Bingo! This kind of project can easily eat a lifetime. It can burn thousands of <currency>, feed dozens of developers /...\ However I do agree with you, Adam, that NATs > are making it even harder to grow sustained decentralized deployments of > software and services. But we also need to consider monetization or > economical sustainability Can't agree more. > well evolved forms of collective deployments of software. That
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
deal with similar issues.  Just you're concerned with them at the client/browser side of the game, while we were looking at the service side (avoiding to say "server" here since it's yet another client/peer). Mint's application is hosted by remote servers which proxy to your bank /...\ links are used to export/discover the interfaces between those two threads. I don't attempt to solve the need to trust Citibank's remote service, but I do offer a way to extend Citibank's software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint, in this case, is one such extension /...\ protocols could be implemented in this extensions-architecture as a set of reltypes. It might be used to cluster multiple Worker scripts and remote services which all implement the same reltypes, but which are all written by different authors, in order to compare the integrity of their output. Does that
juh [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 23:20:00
users like to have a fast development which improves the UX from release to release. Decentralized protocols are blockers for an agile development of services. I am not experienced enough to judge whether this is true. But it fosters my idea that we must talk about control, not about software /...\ true that some services requires centralization, we have to control the centralized infrastructure by appropriate means. For example: In Germany the top level domain "de" is controlled by a cooperative organisation, which is owned by its members. (BTW the idea of cooperatives is now on the list of the intangible /...\ predator capitalism. Instead I would propose, for example, to found an organisation under public law to distribute literature like Amazon is doing with its services. Not only literature from the public domain but also new literature. But the central stock would be our literal heritage which is only very slowly
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 12:07:38
providers could provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network service. The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based services and the general levels of insecurity through third party information sharing /...\ subscribed to > this list right now :-) > > Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) > services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I > would love to have a discussion to form some kind
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
providers could provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network service. The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based services and the general levels of insecurity through third party information sharing /...\ subscribed to > this list right now :-) > > Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) > services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I > would love to have a discussion to form some kind
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and > comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network > service. > > The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based > services and the general levels of insecurity through third party /...\ this list right now :-) > > > > Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) > > services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I > > would love to have a discussion to form some kind
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 13:22:03
Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe a blog post for our blog once it starts? (should be soonishl On 8 Dec 2013 23:21, "Danny /...\ personally when Google shut down Reader. Until that day, I was a Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost /...\ Google services I used with self-hosted solutions that I control. I'm interested in learning about the various alternatives to centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. Danny Knestaut on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 13:51:08
Mozilla): http://ziade.org/2013/06/24/shutting-down-facebook-amp-google/ Maybe some interesting stuff in there... N. On 09/12/13 13:22, Francis Irving wrote: > Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? > > Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good /...\ shut down Reader. Until that day, I was a Chromebook-toting, > Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google > service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. > I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost /...\ Google services I used with self-hosted solutions that I > control. > > I'm interested in learning about the various alternatives to > centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and > experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. > > Danny Knestaut
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 21:12:46
piece of kit as it is only effectively a client.   To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web browser metaphor hoists on us.   All these browser extensions are doing is instituting
Louise Ishka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-03 08:38:06
Jacob Cook what he thinks >  about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into > arkOS. > > Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security, > not to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker > container. > > -- Martin /...\ costs me practically >> nothing to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free, >> centralized change detection services will check every 5 minutes >> for you. IFTTT won't even check an RSS feed for you more than >> once
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
enjoy. 3. Sustainability: the resources (earned via ads, see above) to invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to build new services (GOTO 1) IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology and the raw IP protocol. However I do agree with /...\ Adam, that NATs are making it even harder to grow sustained decentralized deployments of software and services. But we also need to consider monetization or economical sustainability, easy software distribution and well evolved forms of collective deployments of software. best, holger > > Take Twitter for example. It lets
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:58:22
Jacob Cook what he thinks >  about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into > arkOS. > > Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security, > not to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker > container. > > -- Martin /...\ costs me practically >> nothing to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free, >> centralized change detection services will check every 5 minutes >> for you. IFTTT won't even check an RSS feed for you more than >> once
vaX Cymaticka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 14:40:51
stupid piece of kit as it is only effectively a client. To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web browser metaphor hoists on us. All these browser extensions are doing is instituting lockin
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
directional antennas. Internet is > secondary. > > Also should make it clear at this point that this is NOT a commercial > service. There is no plan to charge "users" with "fees" - just the > upfront installation cost will be borne through a means /...\ thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward? > > Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally? > > Christian > > Anish Mangal wrote: > > Hi hk (sorry don't have your name), > > > > Thank
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
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Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 12:31:45
much more > important (as you mentioned in your blog post too). I view efficiency > more like an economic term applicable to central service providers > operating services like FB. Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what "decentralization
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:04:39
much more > important (as you mentioned in your blog post too). I view efficiency > more like an economic term applicable to central service providers > operating services like FB. Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what "decentralization
Jeremy Malcolm [LibreList] Digital consumers breaking through the cloud 2014-03-25 10:53:12
first step in asserting one's rights is acting upon them. So think twice before releasing your personal data to large, centralised cloud services, and especially to those that don't respect your consumer rights.   If you can, then take the next step in regaining control of your /...\ data, by moving it to a service controlled by you or by those you trust. By doing so, you'll be bringing the Net one step closer back to the decentralised, egalitarian network of users that it was when it began." -- Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com Internet lawyer
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 16:07:02
implementation of the neat idea of block chain is on the basis of twister. The block chain provides a sort of distributed notary service, certifying who owns a given nickname. The name is associated with a specific key pair, which is used for authentication and cryptography." What made /...\ with the right to send a promoted message. Promoted messages have a certain probability of being displayed by twister client." Spam As A Service ;-) _Martin Am Do, 2. Jan, 2014 um 4:41 schrieb Eric Mill <eric@konklone.com>: > Besides Bitcoin, or potentially on top of Bitcoin
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 19:00:50
wanted to ask Jacob Cook what he thinks > about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into > arkOS. > > Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security, > not to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker > container /...\ costs me practically >> nothing to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free, >> centralized change detection services will check every 5 minutes >> for you. IFTTT won't even check an RSS feed for you more than >> once
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:48:55
firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto. That's the idea with this project. Make it as simple as possible to securely communicate with /...\ firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto. On Jul 4 , 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 17:59:46
stupid piece of kit as it is only effectively a client. To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web browser metaphor hoists on us. All these browser extensions are doing is instituting lockin
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Hello! 2013-12-08 18:21:21
personally when Google shut down Reader. Until that day, I was a Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost /...\ Google services I used with self-hosted solutions that I control. I'm interested in learning about the various alternatives to centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized. Danny Knestaut on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a
Martin Dittus [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-31 02:34:28
blog.twitter.com/2010/murder-fast-datacenter-code-deploys-using-bittorrent I think that’s an unfortunate example: that’s a decentralised technology used for better centralisation (where a centralised service is large enough to be decentralised internally.) I.e., it does not avoid the reliance on centralised end-user services
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
links are used to export/discover the interfaces between those two threads. I don't attempt to solve the need to trust Citibank's remote service, but I do offer a way to extend Citibank's software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint, in this case, is one such extension /...\ protocols could be implemented in this extensions-architecture as a set of reltypes. It might be used to cluster multiple Worker scripts and remote services which all implement the same reltypes, but which are all written by different authors, in order to compare the integrity of their output. Does that
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 20:38:25
think that’s an unfortunate example: that’s a decentralised technology used for better centralisation (where a centralised service is large enough to be decentralised internally.) I.e., it does not avoid the reliance on centralised end-user services
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 13:00:12
adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Thanks! Windows basically works now, built with Visual Studio 2012. I just got done packaging the app into a Windows service so it can run properly in the background instead of from an admin console window. I've also built the Qt GUI for Windows /...\ download the update, verify it against the list of authorized update signing certs, and then exec() the update in place. On Windows the service has to execute some kind of intermediate, die, and then the intermediate has to run the update and then start the servi ce again. Annoying... more
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
neighbouring villages through wifi and directional antennas. Internet is secondary. Also should make it clear at this point that this is NOT a commercial service. There is no plan to charge "users" with "fees" - just the upfront installation cost will be borne through a means and running costs taken care /...\ they have any thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward? Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally? Christian Anish Mangal wrote: > Hi hk (sorry don't have your name), > > Thank you for this well thought out and long
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 10:45:39
simplicity are much more important (as you mentioned in your blog post too). I view efficiency more like an economic term applicable to central service providers operating services like FB. I can only guess what the to-be-centralized functionality would be: your #1 of your problem definition, the name
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 23:56:09
Raspberry Pi, I wanted to ask Jacob Cook what he thinks about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into arkOS. Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security, not to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker container. -- Martin /...\ costs me practically nothing > to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free, centralized > change detection services will check every 5 minutes for you. IFTTT > won't even check an RSS feed for you more than once an hour. It > doesn
Peter Rushforth [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-08-03 10:24:00
custom element) client can be installed for your web site (if you have bower) with : "bower install web-map". There are some map services available here:  http://geogratis.gc.ca/mapml/en/  And server software is available on github OR for issues with the specs or the software
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 01:16:33
simple script, and it costs me practically nothing to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free, centralized change detection services will check every 5 minutes for you. IFTTT won't even check an RSS feed for you more than once an hour. It doesn
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 12:40:57
guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-06-06 16:04:20
Benjamin ANDRE < ben@cozycloud.cc > : hello Kicktron, our both projects seem quite complementary. Your are focused on the "low services" : hardware, network, Adblockers, Mesh wifi router, Email encryption device, NAS, Annonimization box, Tunnel servers, Selfhosting boxes, PayTV, Darknet addons, etc Cozy Cloud is focused on higher layers, we work
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-30 15:00:08
personal. They ran applications that you acquired (or created) and used by and for yourself. You did not have to subscribe to them as services, and they did not require some company’s cloud. That time was before person al computers became network nodes
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-31 19:36:04
Bastien Guerry [LibreList] FLOSS4P2P: Call for Participation 2015-02-18 10:28:26
focus on distributed platforms. Scholarships to attend are offered to grassroots communities. ** Context ** We know that the Internet was originally decentralized, with protocols and services built by hackers. However, with the arrival of the celebrated Web 2.0, centralization and corporations proprietary platforms seem to have taken over. Moreover, this centralized
Francis Irving [LibreList] DataCoin 2013-12-25 00:29:40
year in decentralized storage. Do you have any plans to increase storage space? Datacoin is a root storage engine in the decentralized storage service. This storage is both reliable and expensive. I'm now working on concept of personal chains. Personal chains will start from the root Datacoin blockchain
P S [LibreList] First Person Technologies 2014-03-29 17:32:15
personal. They ran applications that you acquired (or created) and used by and for yourself. You did not have to subscribe to them as services, and they did not require some company’s cloud. That time was before personal computers became network nodes. We are in a new world
Marc Laporte [LibreList] Tiki Suite - Server, Web, Desktop and Mobile suite 2014-06-26 21:53:55
systems don't work together?" is a common frustration. Most organizations use dozens or even hundreds of software applications, systems and online services. Interoperability between them is a constant struggle. Time is wasted moving data from system to system. Data & feature duplication, data silos, dependency hell, etc. Organizations
Thomas Waldmann [LibreList] yet another pythonista 2014-08-01 21:06:30
internet, improving software security, exploring new crypto and privacy enhancing software. Personally, I work on Python stuff usually, like MoinMoin Wiki, nsupdate.info dyndns service / software, bepasty generalized pastebin software. Cheers, Thomas ---- GPG ID: FAF7B393 GPG FP: 6D5B EF9A DD20 7580 5747 B70F 9F88 FB52 FAF7 B393
juh [GG] Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-06 22:31:00
Bittorrent to setup the netwerk and distribute the content. While Twister is limited to microblogging functionality Zeronet aims to setup all kind of services and websites. I would like to hear your comments
Anish Mangal [LibreList] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 15:55:01
perhaps why I'm subscribed to this list right now :-) Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I would love to have a discussion to form some kind of: (1) Key points worth discussing
Anne Radl [GG] New grant fund for decentralising tech! 2018-07-03 05:31:00
thinking about the affordances of tech and equality, and we think decentralising digital technologies have a huge role to play in reimaging systems, services and products with equality and inclusion at the core. I've included a blurb about the fund below - but read more about it here
frabcus [GG] Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-25 11:58:00
Hiya! We're launching a new service, to notify when a decentralized app becomes good enough to use. http://redecentralize.org/ It's super picky. There's only three apps in so far to get it going at launch.  Each is classed "Try", "Use" or "Share" as described
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 11:06:01
firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto. On Jul 4, 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 17:54:13
redesign and improved stability, support for ARMv7 boards (first of which being Cubietruck and Beaglebone Black), new Installer/client for connected machines, value-added services and much much more. Excited about: hiring two new contributors to be directors on the project, reincorporating as a non-profit, and working on new ideas
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-28 00:20:46
hello Kicktron, our both projects seem quite complementary. Your are focused on the "low services" : hardware, network, Adblockers, Mesh wifi router, Email encryption device, NAS, Annonimization box, Tunnel servers, Selfhosting boxes, PayTV, Darknet addons, etc Cozy Cloud is focused on higher layers, we work at : deploying easily web apps
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
they have any thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward? Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally? Christian Anish Mangal wrote: > Hi hk (sorry don't have your name), > > Thank you for this well thought out and long
Joakim Stai [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 20:09:09
firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto. On Jul 4 , 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-07 17:32:09
steer the evolution of such a system? All of these questions are easier to answer for infrastructure than for public-facing products and services. Facebook, Google and Twitter sit on top of several layers of mostly-decentralised infrastructure. Since you're building infrastructure, I wonder whether it would be more
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 15:58:16
dichotomy, "efficiency or security, pick one."  You're absolutely correct there. Decentralized systems are more robust against censorship, most naive denial of service attacks, and the failure of critical systems. What they usually don't offer is a good user experience and high performance the other
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
anyway because I had to add a new IOCTL to the tap driver to allow the ZeroTier service to query multicast group subscriptions at the Ethernet layer. Windows has no such thing natively, while on OSX/BSD you can get it via sysctl() and Linux exposes it in /proc
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
again, Microsoft. Though I think the OpenVPN users might have beat you to the equivalent solution, e.g. http://superuser.com/questions/120038/changing-network-type-from-unidentified-network-to-private-network-on-an-openvpn (And as a public service announcement, 1.1.1.1 is no longer a "fake" address as the 1.0.0.0/8 block was assigned to APNIC. http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xhtml
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse >> your protocol, or try to >> trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply >> coersion to incent cooperation, >> you probably don't know where
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 14:44:40
that depends on people freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse your protocol, or try to trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply coersion to incent cooperation, you probably don't know where the other computers are, except
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:08:18
that depends on people freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse your protocol, or try to trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply coersion to incent cooperation, you probably don't know where the other computers are, except
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
that. One observation is key institutions can't think let alone act in decentralised or distributed ways.  So even a bullet proof decentralised service tends to become centralised to suit the organisational and cultural expectations of such organisations. There are some legalistic liability excuses that escalate this trend
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
that depends on people freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse your protocol, or try to trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply coersion to incent cooperation, you probably don't know where the other computers are, except
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse >> your protocol, or try to >> trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply >> coersion to incent cooperation, >> you probably don't know where
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
your program, and also choosing not to abuse >> >> your protocol, or try to >> >> trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply >> >> coersion to incent cooperation, >> >> you probably
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
people > freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse > your protocol, or try to > trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. Who said that a user should ever *depend* on some people hosting your data without any responsibility? Instead
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 03:28:23
such as twitter. Maybe not as convenient as twitter, but decentralized, and ultimately more flexible. More flexible, because not having centralized control over the service means I will not be tempted to prevent other people building on top of it, as twitter and it's like are increasingly doing
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-09 11:30:40
Maybe not as convenient as twitter, but decentralized, and ultimately > more flexible. > More flexible, because not having centralized control over the service > means I will not be tempted > to prevent other people building on top of it, as twitter and it's > like are increasingly
Brian Cloutier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 05:32:00
Your post reminds me of another sent to this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 08:45:25
/div> <div><br> </div> <div>You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are <i>hard
juh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 09:13:41
interaction? Do we want to go back to the status quo ante? Do we want to make a decentralized copy of the current centralized services? Or are we going to make something completely different? I have no answers. But we should listen to our inner voice. What do we want
Tristan Nitot [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 15:33:59
want to go back to the status quo ante? Do we want to make a > decentralized copy of the current centralized services? Or are we going > to make something completely different? > > I have no answers. But we should listen to our inner voice. What
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-17 05:45:33
alternate systems won't work for them (that includes Tor, I2P, GNS, Namecoin, etc.). But there's a way to access Tor onion Web services using DNS: tor2web. Simply by appending .to to the .onion address, people can access the .onion without having Tor installed (but without the anonymity then
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
that. One observation is key institutions can't think let alone act in decentralised or distributed ways.  So even a bullet proof decentralised service tends to become centralised to suit the organisational and cultural expectations of such organisations. There are some legalistic liability excuses that escalate this trend
Adrien [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 09:07:00
need to do it, Pierre offered it already ;) For the mailing list, as he said Framapad is serious but for now their service "framalistes" is not open to the public. Anyway, if the members of this list are ready to switch to a mailing list which is not hosted
Thomas Levine [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 06:33:00
perhaps if I don't. I use a bunch of things that might count because they communicate substantially less with networks than contemporary services do. * nmh (previously mutt and offlineimap) * fossil * MHTML firefox extension * Kiwix * recoll * recollweb * newsbeuter * Garmin eTrex 30 And, of course, once I have all this stuff
feross [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 14:34:00
/desktop ) as a torrent client, almost daily.  I also use Instant ( https://instant.io ) to send files to friends without using a centralized service, or an app you need to install like Dropbox. I've used Patchwork ( https://ssbc.github.io/patchwork/ ) a bit, and it has a surprisingly large community
frabcus [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-03-14 19:55:00
stuff. So take below as all submitted! IPFS - my impression is it is a developer level tool. Are there any end user apps / hosting services based on it you recommend? BitTorrent - is very well known, and has its own very particular use case for file sharing