European perspective ? What are
the major trends ?
The internet is increasingly centralized onto few nodes of
control. This centralization of data and therefore of
services, is
at the core of the power of Californian oligopolies. They can buy
new incomers to consolidate their position, whatever the price is.
This imbalance
/...\ hosted by a hosting
company such as a bank, where he can aggregate all his data in
order to have more frictionless and relevant
services. 8 years ago
nobody had a smartphone. In 8 years everybody will have his
personal server.
The convenience of having a lot of your data
/...\ Google is the
frictionless experience and the relevance of personalized
services. In your personal cloud you can go much further on those
two axes since on your personal cloud you can aggregate safely
much more data than Google will ever have : health, finance,
center of interests... The
services can thus
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-11 22:18:27
free and almost free world that corporations push now is no help
because people are not used to paying for software anymore, or
services.
Maybe the solution is to just charge for this stuff and fight the
race to the bottom. Another idea I had is charge corporations
/...\ beer” also encourages the
development of dishonest pseudo-free business models,
such as the use of surveillance to monetize free
services. In the late 90s, many
services and online
media outlets tried a paid or freemium model. People
mostly refused to pay. Meanwhile the
services that
opted for pseudo
/...\ Your post reminds me of another
sent to this list, I want to believe.
You focus on funding, it's
easier to monetize centralized
services so
more venture capital is poured into creating
them. The other post mentions technical
difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to
work even
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 01:52:00 when each asked for
> my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I
> wanted to use Google Location
Services. I then installed F-Droid and
> Aptoide to get some apps to interface with my server. It's not a
> perfect solution
/...\ work all the time, so I decided it's
> best left to the pros. As a result, I just pay for IMAP
service from
> my registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not
> bothering with my own email server is because
/...\ better solutions?
>
> Danny
>
> On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote:
> >
> >Whats the list of
services you're using instead of Google ones?
> >
> >Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 15:34:56 Gmail
>> address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I wanted to use
>> Google
>> Location
Services. I then installed F-Droid and Aptoide to get some
>> apps to
>> interface with my server. It's not a perfect solution
/...\ time, so I decided it's best left to the pros.
>> As a
>> result, I just pay for IMAP
service from my registrar and leave it at
>> that
>> because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server
/...\ Danny
>>
>>
>> On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote:
>>
>> Whats the list of
services you're using instead of Google ones?
>>
>> Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 14:15:09 SKIP when each asked for
my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I
wanted to use Google Location
Services. I then installed F-Droid and
Aptoide to get some apps to interface with my server. It's not a
perfect solution, but it's easy
/...\ email to work all the time, so I decided it's
best left to the pros. As a result, I just pay for IMAP
service from
my registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not
bothering with my own email server is because I wish
/...\ front of a proper computer.
Anyone know of better solutions?
Danny
On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving
wrote:
Whats the list of
services you're using instead of
Google ones?
Would love a writeup of what you're using and how
good or bad you've found it!
Maybe
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 11:40:51 SKIP when each asked for
my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP again when they asked if I
wanted to use Google Location
Services. I then installed F-Droid and
Aptoide to get some apps to interface with my server. It's not a
perfect solution, but it's easy
/...\ email to work all the time, so I decided it's
best left to the pros. As a result, I just pay for IMAP
service from
my registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not
bothering with my own email server is because I wish
/...\ front of a proper computer.
Anyone know of better solutions?
Danny
On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving
wrote:
Whats the list of
services you're using instead of
Google ones?
Would love a writeup of what you're using and how
good or bad you've found it!
Maybe
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 17:36:48 SKIP
when each asked for my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP
again when they asked if I wanted to use Google Location
Services. I then installed F-Droid and Aptoide to get
some apps to interface with my server. It's not a
perfect solution, but it's easy
/...\ email to work all the time, so I
decided it's best left to the pros. As a result, I just
pay for IMAP
service from my registrar and leave it at
that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my
own email server is because I wish
/...\ front of a proper computer.
Anyone know of better solutions?
Danny
On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote:
Whats the list of
services you're
using instead of Google ones?
Would love a writeup of what you're
using and how good or bad you've found it!
Maybe
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 10:16:04 SKIP
when each asked for my Gmail address, and then hit SKIP
again when they asked if I wanted to use Google Location
Services. I then installed F-Droid and Aptoide to get
some apps to interface with my server. It's not a
perfect solution, but it's easy
/...\ email to work all the time, so I
decided it's best left to the pros. As a result, I just
pay for IMAP
service from my registrar and leave it at
that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my
own email server is because I wish
/...\ front of a proper computer.
Anyone know of better solutions?
Danny
On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote:
Whats the list of
services you're
using instead of Google ones?
Would love a writeup of what you're
using and how good or bad you've found it!
Maybe
working on Cozy Cloud. It aims at providing every one an abstraction layer on top of you server so that you can deploy your
services by a simple click in the (open) "market place" (but you can deploy just by giving the github url of the source of your
/...\ released by Nodejitsu). For now we are only nodejs compatible, but it will change soon ! (especially with Docker :)
Cozy provides the "DataSystem" : a node.js
service to store and share the data between the apps. Thanks to it, any app can access any data : mail, contact, events, notes, history of geolocation
/...\ Jacob Cook what he thinks
> Â about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into
> arkOS.
>
> Running
services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security,
> not to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker
> container.
>
> -- Martin
firewall still does anything to protect us from is the threat of a worm exploiting a true remote hole in a common local
service. That threat could be mitigated if OSes did a better job running
services in isolation... just kill the offending infected
service container, and the system
/...\ firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and
service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto.
On Jul 4
, 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
firewall still does anything to protect us from is the threat of a worm exploiting a true remote hole in a common local
service. That threat could be mitigated if OSes did a better job running
services in isolation... just kill the offending infected
service container, and the system
/...\ firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and
service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto.
On Jul 4
, 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
indicate an informal (but complete!) specification which is published online, and which acts like a contract between two nodes. A consumer of a Web
service (a User Agent) then fetches links, queries the links by looking for reltypes that it understands, and then begins communicating with the endpoints of those
/...\ with similar issues.Â
Just you're concerned with them at the client/browser side of the
game, while we were looking at the
service side (avoiding to say
"server" here since it's yet another client/peer).
Mint's application is hosted by remote servers which proxy
to your bank
/...\ links are used to export/discover the interfaces between
those two threads.
I don't attempt to solve the need to trust Citibank's
remote
service, but I do offer a way to extend Citibank's
software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint,
in this case, is one such extension
juh [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 22:25:00 There is not only a list of reasons why
services gets centralized but
also a list of questions what decentralize
service to use instead.
I think it would be futile to consent about a decentralize
service only
on this list.
I think all of us would like
/...\ move from
googlegroups (which I really don't like to use) to $decentralizedservice?
I think the biggest problem for now is to decide which
service to choose
instead of a mainstream one.
A network that would greatly support a working group is Retroshare. I
tried it but I never felt
beer” also encourages the development of dishonest pseudo-free business models, such as the use of surveillance to monetize free
services. In the late 90s, many
services and online media outlets tried a paid or freemium model. People mostly refused to pay. Meanwhile the
services that opted for pseudo
/...\ Your post reminds me of another sent to this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized
services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even
beer” also encourages the development of dishonest pseudo-free business models, such as the use of surveillance to monetize free
services. In the late 90s, many
services and online media outlets tried a paid or freemium model. People mostly refused to pay. Meanwhile the
services that opted for pseudo
/...\ Your post reminds me of another sent to this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized
services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even
firewall still does anything to protect us from is the threat of a worm exploiting a true remote hole in a common local
service. That threat could be mitigated if OSes did a better job running
services in isolation... just kill the offending infected
service container, and the system
/...\ firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and
service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto.
On Jul 4
, 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
Thanks! Windows basically works now, built with Visual Studio 2012. I just got done packaging the app into a Windows
service so it can run properly in the background instead of from an admin console window. I've also built the Qt GUI for Windows and it works well
/...\ download the update, verify it against the list of authorized update signing certs, and then exec() the update in place. On Windows the
service has to execute some kind of intermediate, die, and then the intermediate has to run the update and then start the
service again. Annoying... more moving
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41 creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a
service located in netconf-
service/ in the source tree. You're free to examine it. The netconf master can be made high-availability by setting
/...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web
services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47 creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a
service located in netconf-
service/ in the source tree. You're free to examine it. The netconf master can be made high-availability by setting
/...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web
services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49 creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a
service located in netconf-
service/ in the source tree. You're free to examine it. The netconf master can be made high-availability by setting
/...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web
services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
where decentralization is easy and one where it’s almost prohibitively hard. The former might contain lots of market niches for centralized products,
services, and trust chains, but the latter all but *prohibits* decentralized approaches to anything.
For decentralized networks, non-local firewalls and *especially* NAT present
/...\ Sustainability: the resources (earned via ads, see above) to
> invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to
> build new
services (GOTO 1)
>
> IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology
> and the raw IP protocol. However
/...\ agree with you, Adam, that NATs
> are making it even harder to grow sustained decentralized deployments of
> software and
services. But we also need to consider monetization or
> economical sustainability, easy software distribution and well evolved
> forms of collective deployments of software
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30 creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients plus a
service located in netconf-
service/ in the source tree. You're free to examine it. The netconf master can be made high-availability by setting
/...\ guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web
services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
coming to attention of users, all useful for tracking
> and showing ads which brings monetization.
So: we need to replace servers by some
service running at the users end
of the wire.
(Like some script running in browser's cache, secretly downloading
missing components on demand from something akin
/...\ Sustainability: the resources (earned via ads, see above) to
> invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to
> build new
services (GOTO 1)
Bingo! This kind of project can easily eat a lifetime. It can burn
thousands of <currency>, feed dozens of developers
/...\ However I do agree with you, Adam, that NATs
> are making it even harder to grow sustained decentralized deployments of
> software and
services. But we also need to consider monetization or
> economical sustainability
Can't agree more.
> well evolved forms of collective deployments of software.
That
deal with similar issues.
Just you're concerned with them at the client/browser side of the
game, while we were looking at the
service side (avoiding to say
"server" here since it's yet another client/peer).
Mint's application is hosted by remote servers which proxy
to your bank
/...\ links are used to export/discover the interfaces between
those two threads.
I don't attempt to solve the need to trust Citibank's
remote
service, but I do offer a way to extend Citibank's
software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint,
in this case, is one such extension
/...\ protocols could be implemented in this
extensions-architecture as a set of reltypes. It might be used
to cluster multiple Worker scripts and remote
services which
all implement the same reltypes, but which are all written by
different authors, in order to compare the integrity of their
output. Does that
users like to have a fast development which improves the UX from
release to release.
Decentralized protocols are blockers for an agile development of
services.
I am not experienced enough to judge whether this is true.
But it fosters my idea that we must talk about control, not about software
/...\ true that some
services requires centralization, we have to
control the centralized infrastructure by appropriate means.
For example: In Germany the top level domain "de" is controlled by a
cooperative organisation, which is owned by its members.
(BTW the idea of cooperatives is now on the list of the intangible
/...\ predator capitalism.
Instead I would propose, for example, to found an organisation under
public law to distribute literature like Amazon is doing with its
services. Not only literature from the public domain but also new
literature. But the central stock would be our literal heritage which is
only very slowly
providers
could provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and
comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network
service.
The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based
services and the general levels of insecurity through third party
information sharing
/...\ subscribed to
> this list right now :-)
>
> Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline)
>
services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I
> would love to have a discussion to form some kind
providers
could provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and
comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network
service.
The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based
services and the general levels of insecurity through third party
information sharing
/...\ subscribed to
> this list right now :-)
>
> Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline)
>
services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I
> would love to have a discussion to form some kind
provide to communities to better inform them of the issues and
> comparisons between going to telco based broadband v. their own network
>
service.
>
> The more upstream issues around using applications such as web Ad based
>
services and the general levels of insecurity through third party
/...\ this list right now :-)
> >
> > Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline)
> >
services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I
> > would love to have a discussion to form some kind
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 13:22:03 Whats the list of
services you're using instead of Google ones?
Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it!
Maybe a blog post for our blog once it starts? (should be soonishl
On 8 Dec 2013 23:21, "Danny
/...\ personally when Google shut
down Reader. Until that day, I was a Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding
fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google
service pulled out from
under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my
Google account and have replaced almost
/...\ Google
services I
used with self-hosted solutions that I control.
I'm interested in learning about the various alternatives to
centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and
experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized.
Danny Knestaut
on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 13:51:08 Mozilla):
http://ziade.org/2013/06/24/shutting-down-facebook-amp-google/
Maybe some interesting stuff in there...
N.
On 09/12/13 13:22, Francis Irving wrote:
> Whats the list of
services you're using instead of Google ones?
>
> Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good
/...\ shut down Reader. Until that day, I was a Chromebook-toting,
> Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google
>
service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one.
> I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost
/...\ Google
services I used with self-hosted solutions that I
> control.
>
> I'm interested in learning about the various alternatives to
> centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and
> experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized.
>
> Danny Knestaut
piece of kit
as it is only effectively a client.
To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection
service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web
browser metaphor hoists on us.
All these browser extensions are doing is instituting
Jacob Cook what he thinks
> about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into
> arkOS.
>
> Running
services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security,
> not to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker
> container.
>
> -- Martin
/...\ costs me practically
>> nothing to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free,
>> centralized change detection
services will check every 5 minutes
>> for you. IFTTT won't even check an RSS feed for you more than
>> once
enjoy.
3. Sustainability: the resources (earned via ads, see above) to
invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to
build new
services (GOTO 1)
IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology
and the raw IP protocol. However I do agree with
/...\ Adam, that NATs
are making it even harder to grow sustained decentralized deployments of
software and
services. But we also need to consider monetization or
economical sustainability, easy software distribution and well evolved
forms of collective deployments of software.
best,
holger
>
> Take Twitter for example. It lets
Jacob Cook what he thinks
> Â about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into
> arkOS.
>
> Running
services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security,
> not to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker
> container.
>
> -- Martin
/...\ costs me practically
>> nothing to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free,
>> centralized change detection
services will check every 5 minutes
>> for you. IFTTT won't even check an RSS feed for you more than
>> once
firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack
that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement
app and
service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with
crypto. That's the idea with this project. Make it as simple as possible to securely communicate with
/...\ firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and
service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto.
On Jul 4
, 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
implementation of the neat idea
of block chain is on the basis of twister. The block chain provides a
sort of distributed notary
service, certifying who owns a given
nickname. The name is associated with a specific key pair, which is
used for authentication and cryptography."
What made
/...\ with
the right to send a promoted message. Promoted messages have a certain
probability of being displayed by twister client."
Spam As A
Service ;-)
_Martin
Am Do, 2. Jan, 2014 um 4:41 schrieb Eric Mill <eric@konklone.com>:
> Besides Bitcoin, or potentially on top of Bitcoin
directional antennas. Internet is
> secondary.
>
> Also should make it clear at this point that this is NOT a commercial
>
service. There is no plan to charge "users" with "fees" - just the
> upfront installation cost will be borne through a means
/...\ thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward?
>
> Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity
service locally?
>
> Christian
>
> Anish Mangal wrote:
> > Hi hk (sorry don't have your name),
> >
> > Thank
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On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
much more
> important (as you mentioned in your blog post too). I view efficiency
> more like an economic term applicable to central service providers
> operating services like FB.
Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what "decentralization
much more
> important (as you mentioned in your blog post too). I view efficiency
> more like an economic term applicable to central service providers
> operating services like FB.
Efficiency is really important if we want to push intelligence to the edges, which is what "decentralization
Jeremy Malcolm [LibreList] Digital consumers breaking through the cloud 2014-03-25 10:53:12 first step in asserting one's rights is acting upon them. So think twice before releasing your personal data to large, centralised cloud
services, and especially to those that don't respect your consumer rights. If you can, then take the next step in regaining control of your
/...\ data, by moving it to a
service controlled by you or by those you trust. By doing so, you'll be bringing the Net one step closer back to the decentralised, egalitarian network of users that it was when it began."
-- Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com Internet lawyer
wanted to ask Jacob Cook what he thinks
> about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into
> arkOS.
>
> Running
services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security,
> not to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker
> container
/...\ costs me practically
>> nothing to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free,
>> centralized change detection
services will check every 5 minutes
>> for you. IFTTT won't even check an RSS feed for you more than
>> once
stupid piece of kit
as it is only effectively a client.
To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection
service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web
browser metaphor hoists on us.
All these browser extensions are doing is instituting lockin
stupid piece of kit
as it is only effectively a client.
To control one's micro payments what you need is a peer connection
service rather than a client to multiple server services as the web
browser metaphor hoists on us.
All these browser extensions are doing is instituting lockin
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Hello! 2013-12-08 18:21:21 personally when Google shut
down Reader. Until that day, I was a Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding
fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google
service pulled out from
under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my
Google account and have replaced almost
/...\ Google
services I
used with self-hosted solutions that I control.
I'm interested in learning about the various alternatives to
centralization, and I'm happy to share what little knowledge and
experience I've gleaned in trying to be decentralized.
Danny Knestaut
on diaspora* at: https://diasp.org/people/0cd83c244ac3303a
blog.twitter.com/2010/murder-fast-datacenter-code-deploys-using-bittorrent
I think that’s an unfortunate example: that’s a decentralised technology used for better centralisation (where a centralised service is large enough to be decentralised internally.) I.e., it does not avoid the reliance on centralised end-user services
links are used to export/discover the interfaces between those two threads.
I don't attempt to solve the need to trust Citibank's remote
service, but I do offer a way to extend Citibank's software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint, in this case, is one such extension
/...\ protocols could be implemented in this extensions-architecture as a set of reltypes. It might be used to cluster multiple Worker scripts and remote
services which all implement the same reltypes, but which are all written by different authors, in order to compare the integrity of their output. Does that
think thatâs an unfortunate example: thatâs a decentralised technology used for better centralisation (where a centralised service is large enough to be decentralised internally.) I.e., it does not avoid the reliance on centralised end-user services
adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote:
Thanks! Windows basically works now, built with Visual Studio 2012. I just got done packaging the app into a Windows
service so it can run properly in the background instead of from an admin console window. I've also built the Qt GUI for Windows
/...\ download the update, verify it against the list of authorized update signing certs, and then exec() the update in place. On Windows the
service has to execute some kind of intermediate, die, and then the intermediate has to run the update and then start the servi
ce again. Annoying... more
neighbouring villages through wifi and directional antennas. Internet is secondary. Also should make it clear at this point that this is NOT a commercial
service. There is no plan to charge "users" with "fees" - just the upfront installation cost will be borne through a means and running costs taken care
/...\ they have
any thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward?
Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity
service locally?
Christian
Anish Mangal wrote:
> Hi hk (sorry don't have your name),
>
> Thank you for this well thought out and long
simplicity are much more
important (as you mentioned in your blog post too). I view efficiency
more like an economic term applicable to central service providers
operating services like FB.
I can only guess what the to-be-centralized functionality would be: your
#1 of your problem definition, the name
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 23:56:09 Raspberry Pi, I wanted to ask Jacob Cook what he thinks
about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into arkOS.
Running
services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security, not
to say that almost _anything_ can be made to run in a Docker container.
-- Martin
/...\ costs me practically nothing
> to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free, centralized
> change detection
services will check every 5 minutes for you. IFTTT
> won't even check an RSS feed for you more than once an hour. It
> doesn
custom element) client can be installed for your web site (if you have bower) with : "bower install web-map". There are some map services available here:Â http://geogratis.gc.ca/mapml/en/Â And server software is available on github OR for issues with the specs or the software
simple script, and it costs me practically nothing to run. And it's a better deal anyway: none of the free, centralized change detection services will check every 5 minutes for you. IFTTT won't even check an RSS feed for you more than once an hour. It doesn
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13 guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 12:40:57 guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29 guessing because of the subscription model that it has some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-06-06 16:04:20 Benjamin ANDRE < ben@cozycloud.cc > :
hello Kicktron, our both projects seem quite complementary. Your are focused on the "low services" : hardware, network, Adblockers, Mesh wifi router, Email encryption device, NAS,
Annonimization box, Tunnel servers, Selfhosting boxes, PayTV, Darknet
addons, etc Cozy Cloud is focused on higher layers, we work
personal. They ran applications that you acquired (or created) and used by and for yourself. You did not have to subscribe to them as services, and they did not require some company’s cloud. That time was before person
al computers became network nodes
Bastien Guerry [LibreList] FLOSS4P2P: Call for Participation 2015-02-18 10:28:26 focus
on distributed platforms. Scholarships to attend are offered to
grassroots communities.
** Context **
We know that the Internet was originally decentralized, with protocols
and services built by hackers. However, with the arrival of the
celebrated Web 2.0, centralization and corporations proprietary
platforms seem to have taken over. Moreover, this centralized
Francis Irving [LibreList] DataCoin 2013-12-25 00:29:40 year in
decentralized storage. Do you have any plans to increase storage
space?
Datacoin is a root storage engine in the decentralized storage
service. This storage is both reliable and expensive. I'm now working
on concept of personal chains. Personal chains will start from the
root Datacoin blockchain
P S [LibreList] First Person Technologies 2014-03-29 17:32:15 personal. They ran applications that you acquired (or created) and used by and for yourself. You did not have to subscribe to them as services, and they did not require some company’s cloud. That time was before personal computers became network nodes. We are in a new world
systems don't work together?" is a common
frustration. Most organizations use dozens or even hundreds of
software applications, systems and online services. Interoperability
between them is a constant struggle. Time is wasted moving data from
system to system. Data & feature duplication, data silos, dependency
hell, etc. Organizations
Thomas Waldmann [LibreList] yet another pythonista 2014-08-01 21:06:30 internet, improving software security, exploring new crypto and privacy
enhancing software.
Personally, I work on Python stuff usually, like MoinMoin Wiki,
nsupdate.info dyndns service / software, bepasty generalized pastebin
software.
Cheers,
Thomas
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juh [GG] Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-06 22:31:00 Bittorrent to setup the netwerk and distribute the content.
While Twister is limited to microblogging functionality Zeronet aims to
setup all kind of services and websites.
I would like to hear your comments
perhaps why I'm subscribed to this list right now :-) Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I would love to have a discussion to form some kind of: (1) Key points worth discussing
thinking about the
affordances of tech and equality, and we think
decentralising digital technologies have a
huge role to play in reimaging systems, services
and products with equality and inclusion at the
core.
I've included a blurb about the fund
below - but read more about it here
Hiya!
We're launching a new service, to notify when a decentralized app becomes good enough to use.
http://redecentralize.org/
It's super picky.
There's only three apps in so far to get it going at launch. Each is classed "Try", "Use" or "Share" as described
firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto. On Jul 4, 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
redesign
and improved stability, support for ARMv7 boards (first of which being
Cubietruck and Beaglebone Black), new Installer/client for connected
machines, value-added services and much much more.
Excited about: hiring two new contributors to be directors on the
project, reincorporating as a non-profit, and working on new ideas
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-28 00:20:46 hello Kicktron, our both projects seem quite complementary. Your are focused on the "low services" : hardware, network, Adblockers, Mesh wifi router, Email encryption device, NAS,
Annonimization box, Tunnel servers, Selfhosting boxes, PayTV, Darknet
addons, etc Cozy Cloud is focused on higher layers, we work at : deploying easily web apps
they have
any thoughts or support to offer you to help take this forward?
Am I right in assuming you are offering a connectivity service locally?
Christian
Anish Mangal wrote:
> Hi hk (sorry don't have your name),
>
> Thank you for this well thought out and long
firewall is an obsolete and ineffective security hack that needs to die. Apps and OSes should be secure. OSes should implement app and service isolation properly. Authentication should be done with crypto.
On Jul 4
, 2014, at 10:59 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: I released a development
steer the evolution of such a system?
All of these questions are easier to answer for infrastructure than
for public-facing products and services. Facebook, Google and Twitter
sit on top of several layers of mostly-decentralised infrastructure.
Since you're building infrastructure, I wonder whether it would be
more
dichotomy, "efficiency or security, pick one." You're absolutely correct there. Decentralized systems are more robust against censorship, most naive denial of service attacks, and the failure of critical systems. What they usually don't offer is a good user experience and high performance the other
anyway because I had to add a new IOCTL to the tap driver to allow the ZeroTier service to query multicast group subscriptions at the Ethernet layer. Windows has no such thing natively, while on OSX/BSD you can get it via sysctl() and Linux exposes it in /proc
again, Microsoft. Though I think the OpenVPN users might have beat you to the equivalent solution, e.g. http://superuser.com/questions/120038/changing-network-type-from-unidentified-network-to-private-network-on-an-openvpn
(And as a public service announcement, 1.1.1.1 is no longer a "fake" address as the 1.0.0.0/8 block was assigned to APNIC. http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xhtml
freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse
>> your protocol, or try to
>> trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply
>> coersion to incent cooperation,
>> you probably don't know where
that depends on people
freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse
your protocol, or try to
trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply
coersion to incent cooperation,
you probably don't know where the other computers are, except
that depends on people
freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse
your protocol, or try to
trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply
coersion to incent cooperation,
you probably don't know where the other computers are, except
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28 that. One observation is key institutions can't think
let alone act in decentralised or distributed ways. So even a bullet
proof decentralised service tends to become centralised to suit the
organisational and cultural expectations of such organisations. There
are some legalistic liability excuses that escalate this trend
that depends on people
freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse
your protocol, or try to
trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply
coersion to incent cooperation,
you probably don't know where the other computers are, except
freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse
>> your protocol, or try to
>> trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply
>> coersion to incent cooperation,
>> you probably don't know where
your program, and also choosing not to abuse
>> >> your protocol, or try to
>> >> trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. You can't apply
>> >> coersion to incent cooperation,
>> >> you probably
people
> freely choosing to run your program, and also choosing not to abuse
> your protocol, or try to
> trick or deny service to other nodes in the network.
Who said that a user should ever *depend* on some people hosting your
data without any responsibility?
Instead
such as twitter.
Maybe not as convenient as twitter, but decentralized, and ultimately
more flexible.
More flexible, because not having centralized control over the service
means I will not be tempted
to prevent other people building on top of it, as twitter and it's
like are increasingly doing
Maybe not as convenient as twitter, but decentralized, and ultimately
> more flexible.
> More flexible, because not having centralized control over the service
> means I will not be tempted
> to prevent other people building on top of it, as twitter and it's
> like are increasingly
Your post reminds me of another sent to this list, I want to believe. You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized services so more venture capital is poured into creating them. The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed systems are hard and getting them to work even
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<div>You focus on funding, it's easier to monetize centralized
services so more venture capital is poured into creating them.
The other post mentions technical difficulties, distributed
systems are <i>hard
interaction?
Do we want to go back to the status quo ante? Do we want to make a
decentralized copy of the current centralized services? Or are we going
to make something completely different?
I have no answers. But we should listen to our inner voice. What do we want
want to go back to the status quo ante? Do we want to make a
> decentralized copy of the current centralized services? Or are we going
> to make something completely different?
>
> I have no answers. But we should listen to our inner voice. What
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-17 05:45:33 alternate
systems won't work for them (that includes Tor, I2P, GNS, Namecoin,
etc.). But there's a way to access Tor onion Web services using DNS:
tor2web. Simply by appending .to to the .onion address, people can
access the .onion without having Tor installed (but without the
anonymity then
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46 that. One observation is key institutions can't think
let alone act in decentralised or distributed ways. So even a bullet
proof decentralised service tends to become centralised to suit the
organisational and cultural expectations of such organisations. There
are some legalistic liability excuses that escalate this trend
Adrien [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 09:07:00 need to do it, Pierre offered it already ;)
For the mailing list, as he said Framapad is serious but for now their
service "framalistes" is not open to the public. Anyway, if the members
of this list are ready to switch to a mailing list which is not hosted
perhaps if I don't.
I use a bunch of things that might count because they communicate
substantially less with networks than contemporary services do.
* nmh (previously mutt and offlineimap)
* fossil
* MHTML firefox extension
* Kiwix
* recoll
* recollweb
* newsbeuter
* Garmin eTrex 30
And, of course, once I have all this stuff
/desktop ) as a torrent client, almost daily. I also use Instant ( https://instant.io ) to send files to friends without using a centralized service, or an app you need to install like Dropbox. I've used Patchwork ( https://ssbc.github.io/patchwork/ ) a bit, and it has a surprisingly large community
stuff.
So take below as all submitted!
IPFS - my impression is it is a developer level tool. Are there any
end user apps / hosting services based on it you recommend?
BitTorrent - is very well known, and has its own very particular
use case for file sharing