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Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
missing something basic.  Like a super-simplified paragraph of the over-all idea. > Askemos appears to solve trust in distributed application-state, correct? I'll need to read more deeply. I'm not a native English speaker. Notably here I'm inclined to say "yes", but then /...\ owned and self-administrated - however eventually left to the users judgment.) B) From (A) we conclude: there is no trust in any (remote) servers state. Goal: trustworthy applications, hence some application state we can reasonably assume/agree to be correct. Method: stolen from (modeled after) the legal system /...\ handled (ignored). (At least while there are less than 1/3 bad nodes.) Hence I'm inclined to say "Askemos solves trust BY distributing application state".  Especially by distributing it to parties having a stake in either a) correct results b) conflicting interests iff they where trying to play
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
missing something basic. Like a super-simplified paragraph of the over-all idea. > Askemos appears to solve trust in distributed application-state, correct? I'll need to read more deeply. I'm not a native English speaker. Notably here I'm inclined to say "yes", but then /...\ owned and self-administrated - however eventually left to the users judgment.) B) From (A) we conclude: there is no trust in any (remote) servers state. Goal: trustworthy applications, hence some application state we can reasonably assume/agree to be correct. Method: stolen from (modeled after) the legal system /...\ ignored). (At least while there are less than 1/3 bad nodes.) Hence I'm inclined to say "Askemos solves trust BY distributing application state". Especially by distributing it to parties having a stake in either a) correct results b) conflicting interests iff they where trying to play foul
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 16:27:31
that I am seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever /...\ that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through transparency /...\ advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive (but not limited to) the concept that someone, somewhere, has the ability to get you or your
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 19:16:39
that I am seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever /...\ that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through transparency /...\ advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive (but not limited to) the concept that someone, somewhere, has the ability to get you or your
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:00:02
that I am seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever /...\ that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s). I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through transparency and sharing /...\ advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive (but not limited to) the concept that someone, somewhere, has the ability
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:39:30
that I am seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever /...\ that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through transparency /...\ advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive (but not limited to) the concept that someone, somewhere, has the ability to get you or your
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:47:26
that I am seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever /...\ that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through transparency /...\ advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive (but not limited to) the concept that someone, somewhere, has the ability to get you or your
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:50:40
that I am seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever /...\ that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through transparency /...\ advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive (but not limited to) the concept that someone, somewhere, has the ability to get you or your
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-09 09:25:35
Workers" http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/in-application-sandboxing-with-web-workers.html "Communicating with Web Workers using HTTP" http://pfraze.github.io/2014/03/08/communicating-with-web-workers-using-http.html Askemos appears to solve trust in distributed application-state, correct? I'll need to read more deeply. The trust question I'm investigating is application-integrity during third-party extension. Autonomy means, in this /...\ execute without auditing by the OS vendor. Like an OS, the effectiveness will then rely on a well-designed permissions model. Regarding shared state, the client/server model is continued, and so server nodes still maintain state authority, but the user may change which servers are used. Likewise, the permission model /...\ page, remote hosts, worker plugins) as part of the network, and so origin is more granular. Servers may apply clustering algorithms to share state authority, and so (I suspect) Askemos' protocols should be applicable to them. Servers remain a network primitive for more complex topologies. Another notable aspect of trust
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
which is what > "business" boils down into) could seen as a finalized subclass of > agents which just don't change state ever. However in practice a > fuse mounted directory at my desktop is just yet another such > agent, certainly changing state /...\ human to control the agent, we can not allow a single computer to > compute the update and then somehow copy the new state to other > peers. After all the origin peer might be a traitor. We need > autonomy from individual intent for these agents. Therefore
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:31:11
design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today. My situation: we wrote a p2p network for replicating state machines with byzantine fault tolerance . That would be a kind of a "global database no single individual controls"; I actually like you "blind idiot /...\ term.  We always thought of it implementing some "general will" like the legal system in a constitutional state.  Not so different, isn't it? So far we concentrated on building a practical, working system (e.g., self-hosting).  The networking layer is just a plug /...\ default plugin was always intended to be replace with state-of-the-art implementations.  It will probably not scale and hence we never tested how it scales.  When looking at zerotier I'm asking: could this possibly be a transport plugin? What we need: A) Our identifiers
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-09 11:30:40
algorithm? A high-level description http://askemos.org/index.html?_v=wiki&_id=617 more technical here http://ball.askemos.org/?_v=wiki&_id=1339 (follow "consensus and synchronization protocol" for state machine replication > Also, regards your notary system: how are notaries assigned to > officiate a particular "place" > (is that correct Askemos terminology?) Apropos /...\ canonical hash of some meta data of a frame (in the sense of key-value pairs). The frame hold the current state (and hidden from the application layer some past state) of the application at the place. It is the unit of replication. I.e., a SSB feed corresponds
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 11:31:57
like contracts (which is what "business" boils down into) could seen as a finalized subclass of agents which just don't change state ever. However in practice a fuse mounted directory at my desktop is just yet another such agent, certainly changing state. Next I need a dispute /...\ single human to control the agent, we can not allow a single computer to compute the update and then somehow copy the new state to other peers. After all the origin peer might be a traitor. We need autonomy from individual intent for these agents. Therefore we have several peers
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 19:21:54
what >> "business" boils down into) could seen as a finalized subclass of >> agents which just don't change state ever. However in practice a >> fuse mounted directory at my desktop is just yet another such >> agent, certainly changing state
Daniel Maher [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-18 14:45:21
with the addition of a Freenet-style in the "friends" mode, whereby your traffic is routed through a web of trust. The stated goal is fairly plain: to help users in restrictive locales to access some known-censored content, and to do so through trusted nodes only /...\ only proxies a pre-defined set of sites is an interesting element in the equation. It fits well within the narrow scope of their stated goal, but I worry about the content of that list - in particular, who manages it exactly? It would appear that there is an ironic opportunity
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:52:55
epiphany moment. Perhaps I studied too much complexity and evolutionary theory, but I immediately got a mental image of a phase transition in state space where a system takes on new properties. You see that sort of thing in those areas all the time. But I don’t think
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:04:36
trade tariffs, to re-inforce local industry, and trade agreements, to enhance power imbalances. Most of these problems come out the sheer size of states and corporations, and most of the normal human interactions that might protect against abuse assume relatively small groups. A sports club, church community, even
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 13:10:03
some kind of feudal society, we asked: what came next and how did they do it? Next came democracy (again), in terms of constitutional states. Power of balance, social contracts, bi- and multilateral contracts etc. Let's not argue that we see them eventually failing all to often. Maybe
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-24 22:15:06
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-25 11:58:19
environment however to gather experience.  The limits of the system are rather tight: it is essentially a system to collect/assert proofs of the state of software agents.  The agent's code however is treated like a contract: no change, no upgrade.  The system starts actually by creating
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
that I'm the legal owner. Translating this into "virtual space": if you manipulate my device in such a way that the state changes to "bike gone" (or if I completely loose my device, which is not different in that context), than I'd like
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:53:52
evidence".  If I reach enough (1/3rd) of them and they recognize my voice, the system will no longer reach agreement to any state change.  Problem mitigated. but PGP has a few critical problems. For one (1) the people that sign certificates can't revoke the signatures after
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-08 22:12:36
Oooo,  http://cozy.io/ looks interesting! We should interview you :) What state is it at? I'm looking for a page telling me what apps work out the box now. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Benjamin ANDRE < ben@cozycloud.cc > wrote: Hello to the mailing
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:12:55
here: > Don't do anything illegal That seems like something that is negotiated in our societal surrounding context and is thus redundant to state or demand again. > Don't do anything that can damage the good name or the > reputation of the party
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:28:40
anything illegal > > That seems like something that is negotiated in our societal surrounding > context and is thus redundant to state or demand again. I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that will land another community member in Jail. Particularly Ross
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 02:23:24
anything illegal > > That seems like something that is negotiated in our societal surrounding > context and is thus redundant to state or demand again. I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that will land another community member
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 11:10:40
illegal >> >> That seems like something that is negotiated in our societal >> surrounding context and is thus redundant to state or demand >> again. > > I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that > will land
fernando.gs@gmail.com [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:17:15
That seems like something that is negotiated in our societal >>> surrounding context and is thus redundant to state or demand >>> again. >> >> I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that >> will land
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:37:56
That seems like something that is negotiated in our societal >>> surrounding context and is thus redundant to state or demand >>> again. >> >> I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-06 17:18:37
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 19:06:34
responsible for changes in the world, nor my view on it. Everything I say is meant in a positive and friendly way, unless explicitly stated otherwise. find me on blog.jospoortvliet.com
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-09 00:40:42
Cozy.io 2013/12/8 Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > Oooo,  http://cozy.io/ looks interesting! We should interview you :) What state is it at? I'm looking for a page telling me what apps work out the box now. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Benjamin ANDRE
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 11:31:17
would love it if other people run similar sessions on the other tools > people most want (see survey on Redecentralize.org homepage) eg on state > of instant messaging alternatives. > > Francis > > On Thu, 15 Oct 2015, at 06:25 PM, will.sch wrote
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-09 11:33:06
Shannon Tyler Cunningham [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 04:32:00
time in Leh every year so he knows the place and people inside out. The same mesh+schoolserver idea was deployed in another Indian state, and there the model is commercial ... funds from the local administration went into the deployment of the server and network there. Me and a colleague
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:41:34
what I'm here for. I can agree with this point. I'd add three: if you fight nation states you're probably going to lose in the long run, cause they have more resources than you do. The idea of a meshnet that can withstand a concerted assult
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 19:33:08
crypto wrappers to provide usable APIs (good algorithms default, sane use of  RNG, etc) with clearly defined boundaries (embedding the protocol's state machine instead of asking the developer to write it) and good abstractions (the developer should not have to worry about repeating IVs or verifying
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-05 10:55:24
crypto wrappers to provide usable APIs (good algorithms > default, sane use of RNG, etc) with clearly defined boundaries (embedding > the protocol's state machine instead of asking the developer to write it) > and good abstractions (the developer should not have to worry about > repeating
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-05 18:02:48
provide usable APIs (good algorithms > default, sane use of  RNG, etc) with clearly defined boundaries (embedding > the protocol's state machine instead of asking the developer to write it) > and good abstractions (the developer should not have to worry about > repeating IVs or verifying
juh [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 23:20:00
There are means to control infrastructure a. collectively b. by a public board so that the infrastructure is neither controlled by the state nor by corporations. Especially b. was and is criticized in Germany by special interest groups that want to privatize the entire public sector. Their success is undeniable
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
certificates I cannot develop here an argumentation for each of those points, but just to show that we are convinced of what is stated above : at Cozy we are financing two Phd's with INRIA on those subjects. The means for this fields are not only monetary : incentives
Francis Irving [LibreList] Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 20:07:43
would love it if other people run similar sessions on the other tools people most want (see survey on Redecentralize.org homepage) eg on state of instant messaging alternatives.    Francis    On Thu, 15 Oct 2015, at 06:25 PM, will.sch wrote
Bastien Guerry [LibreList] FLOSS4P2P: Call for Participation 2015-02-18 10:28:26
cost, up to €400. If you are interested in applying for the scholarship, please email: lu.yang@surrey.ac.uk before 28 February 2015, with a paragraph stating why you think your FLOSS is relevant, plus a short bio. Priority will be given to those with low resources, innovative FLOSS within the topics
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 17:21:52
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 14:07:49
would love it if other people run similar sessions on the other tools people most want (see survey on Redecentralize.org homepage) eg on state of instant messaging alternatives.    Francis    On Thu, 15 Oct 2015, at 06:25 PM, will.sch wrote
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] connecting 2015-09-16 19:14:02
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 15:58:16
alternatives. Everything I've written on this subject comes with a caveat: something new could be discovered tomorrow. Everything I write assumes the current state of the art, so obviously any big discoveries could change the whole picture. Personally I think a discovery in an area like graph theory that