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Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 22:46:58
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 17:53:18
enjoy some anecdotes about what's worked. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Ximin Luo < infinity0@pwned.gg > wrote: Telegram's justifications for their security have basically been "prove me wrong". In fact, they have been proven wrong several times, but then they fix the specific attack /...\ through the bullshit more effectively. X On 28/02/14 14:55, Eric Mill wrote: > I see Moxie doesn't think much of Telegram: > > http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/ > > -- Eric > > On Feb 28, 2014 9:48 AM, "Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com <mailto: eric@konklone.com >> wrote /...\ drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about Telegram's travails? I'm interested. > >     There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:55:06
Moxie doesn't think much of Telegram: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/ -- Eric On Feb 28, 2014 9:48 AM, "Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Not to drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about Telegram's travails? I'm interested. There's the potential /...\ interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. > > Ideas I have: > Telegram - who does design stuff there? For the love of god please do not give Telegram any more attention. They are a marketing machine with
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-01 10:22:03
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 12:31:08
default SMS provider without any UX degradation, and they just moved beyond SMS to a more full-featured messaging system. And unlike Telegram, they're doing it all as 100% open source , and even experimenting with ways of incentivizing and crowdfunding contributions. So when I hear projects /...\ 38AM -0500, Eric Mill wrote: > Not to drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about > Telegram's travails? I'm interested. > > There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging > apps that adopt the mantle of security /...\ background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. > > > > > > Ideas I have: > > > Telegram - who does design stuff there? > > > > For the love of god please do not give Telegram any more attention
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 15:20:26
38AM -0500, Eric Mill wrote: > Not to drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about > Telegram's travails? I'm interested. > > There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging > apps that adopt the mantle of security /...\ background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. > > > > > > Ideas I have: > > > Telegram - who does design stuff there? > > > > For the love of god please do not give Telegram any more attention
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:48:38
drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about Telegram's travails? I'm interested. There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had a frustrating interaction with /...\ interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. > > Ideas I have: > Telegram - who does design stuff there? For the love of god please do not give Telegram any more attention. They are a marketing machine with
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 13:21:29
become the best practices for tomorrow, that ship standard in support libs, etc. Also, I just found this much more detailed demonstration of how Telegram's philosophy led it to make wildly insecure architectural decisions: http://unhandledexpression.com/2013/12/17/telegram-stand-back-we-know-maths/   -- Eric On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Francis /...\ interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 11:50:48
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 12:22:12
need to fight - Ximin read your email too quickly (though FWIW, for some reason I also initially assumed you were a Telegram developer - probably because you said "our project" without a name), and you were just describing something that happened to you. Generally speaking, Telegram's problem is the same
Francis Irving [LibreList] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-27 20:20:26
interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project
Jonny Leroy [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-27 13:02:02
interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 10:00:04
interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 19:33:08
interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 11:02:39
Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Also, I just found this much more detailed demonstration of how Telegram's philosophy led it to make wildly insecure architectural decisions: http://unhandledexpression.com/2013/12/17/telegram-stand-back-we-know-maths/ " and they take the most complicated route for everything." That's often a pitfall of Ph.Ds. Complexity is usually
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 16:03:03
Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Also, I just found this much more detailed demonstration of how Telegram's philosophy led it to make wildly insecure architectural decisions: http://unhandledexpression.com/2013/12/17/telegram-stand-back-we-know-maths/ " and they take the most complicated route for everything." That's often a pitfall of Ph.Ds. Complexity is usually
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:29:51
enjoy some anecdotes about what's worked. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Ximin Luo < infinity0@pwned.gg > wrote: Telegram's justifications for their security have basically been "prove me wrong". In fact, they have been proven First let me say: it depends
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:17:23
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:34:23
interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project