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Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
this with Bitcoin's response to GHASH.IO temporarily getting 51%. The response was rapid, and was coordinated via sites like Reddit /r/bitcoin and other things completely separate from the block chain. This also makes me think more and more about hybrid systems where you've got multiple types of systems /...\ network is concerned. But that's not what *we*, the sentient beings that use it, want. We want the network to do "the right thing," but what's that? How does the network know what the right thing is? As far as its concerned, when 51% of the network extends /...\ block chain that's the right thing... right? Another way of putting this is that the Bitcoin users solve the trust problem by trusting the majority, where resistance to a Sybil attack comes from allocating votes proportional to computing power. Which works great until some entity amasses enough computing power
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 19:33:08
user since 1992, but I love my Mac and I love really good user interfaces and zero-configuration apps. Why? Because I have better things to do than futz around with my computer to get it to work. I am way, way too busy for that. I *hate* things that /...\ trivial, or that require me to jigger with them to get them to work. I'd much rather be coding, writin g, or doing things in the real world like spending time with my family. I did sort of enjoy jiggering with things like Linux when I was learning /...\ that I know how to admin a machine, I don't want to do that anymore. I want to do new things. That being said, there is often a tension between security and UX. Security is often accomplished through the erection of barriers, requiring the user to do extra steps
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 10:00:04
user since 1992, but I love my Mac and I love really good user interfaces and zero-configuration apps. Why? Because I have better things to do than futz around with my computer to get it to work. I am way, way too busy for that. I *hate* things that /...\ something trivial, or that require me to jigger with them to get them to work. I'd much rather be coding, writing, or doing things in the real world like spending time with my family. I did sort of enjoy jiggering with things like Linux when I was learning /...\ that I know how to admin a machine, I don't want to do that anymore. I want to do new things. That being said, there is often a tension between security and UX. Security is often accomplished through the erection of barriers, requiring the user to do extra steps
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:34:56
provides. > There is *probably* a way to do it, but I think that life is easier if > you embrace things like eventually consistency and > design things to work with those principles instead of attempting to > box them into something they arn't. > > The feed /...\ value. Still this calculation of "trust value" I did not find. Or did not understand. I'm always interested in such things. > The thing you seem to be describing is certainly quite complex, Actually it's not. Undergrad CS students took usually about three days interactive discussion /...\ ball.askemos.org/A876f1fe6998ca9d43f2e66c11a3f0d4a that is, this is one wallet of it. You want to log in using "public" to find the actual thing. It's controlled by a single (though having 80kLOC large) source file: http://ball.askemos.org/Aa176138e655369f8c01c3044ced70cfc (be sure to read that in whitespace preserving source mode
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
point of compromise and a choke point for censorship and spying. > I agree that root CAs are horrible. I have had them do things like send me a private key unencrypted to gmail. I am not making that up. No passphrase. To gmail. And don't forget that they /...\ folks responded to my post lamenting that I had given up on decentralization. That's not true at all. I am just doing two things. One is trying to spin the problem around and conceptualize it differently. The other is giving the problem the respect it deserves /...\ contact and you have no trusted path you really have nothing. That's why web of trust is the last resort. It's the thing that comes closest to working when nothing else will. Which is also why it's terrible. Because you only need it when nothing else works
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 11:07:42
sure, that would work. What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. Take Twitter for example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples’ tweets /...\ does a few other things but that’s the core functionality. What about that couldn’t be replaced by a web of bi-directional RSS reader apps? By bi-directional I mean a reader that is also a writer/publisher and that runs a little web server /...\ could be used in a less centralized peer to peer manner if IP were allowed to actually work. We do not need complicated things like libjingle, WebRTC, Maidsafe, etc. All we need is IP. In the short term we can have this world using network virtualization layers and/or meshnets
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
that would work. > > What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization. But suppose Google now served Search /...\ best, holger > > Take Twitter for example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples’ tweets. It does a few other things but that’s the core functionality. What about that couldn’t be replaced by a web of bi-directional RSS reader apps /...\ used in a less centralized peer to peer manner if IP were allowed to actually work. > > We do not need complicated things like libjingle, WebRTC, Maidsafe, etc. All we need is IP. In the short term we can have this world using network virtualization layers and/or meshnets
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 16:27:31
mechanisms (for example, by the FCC mustering the political will to classify broadband companies as "common carriers", or by Congress passing new law). These things are politically difficult, but not impossible, and should be one of the things the Internet works to make happen. At the same time, we should /...\ strong belief in net neutrality that much of society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize /...\ also ask that you reflect upon the following (old, heavily recycled) quote - which I like a lot:  "The first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over the opponent." - Odagiri
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
Adam, Great slide deck, really well done. Lots of good ideas there. When I tell people that those things are p2p they don't understand. People think of napster or torrents as p2p and the media has made using p2p to be something thieves and drug dealers and the terrible /...\ spend money, we get (paradoxically) richer. We create a lot more economic activity which creates many more opportunities and tends to inflate things like wages in the long term. So paying for stuff online makes you poorer, but if nobody pays for anything online we get pathologies like the surveillance /...\ computing. (All the tech, like containers and VMs, is old mainframe tech reimagined/rebooted.) Now we’re starting to see some efforts to push things back toward personal computing again, albeit with a different more networked model from the old grey box PC. There are aspects of the cloud that
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
before signing it. That's the huge fail with the existing CAs. They'll sign anything. Moxie Marlinspike has had a number of relevant things to say about that. > That's the general pattern that I see. The easiest approach is the most centralized approach... at least /...\ Maybe over-centralization should be considered a form of technical debt. I agree that root CAs are horrible. I have had them do things like send me a private key unencrypted to gmail. I am not making that up. No passphrase. To gmail. Hmm... Yeah, I think doing trust better /...\ folks responded to my post lamenting that I had given up on decentralization. That's not true at all. I am just doing two things. One is trying to spin the problem around and conceptualize it differently. The other is giving the problem the respect it deserves
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:47:26
exampl e, by the FCC mustering the political will to classify broadband companies as "common carriers", or by Congress passing new law). These things are politically difficult, but not impossible, and should be one of the things the Internet works to make happen. At the same time, we should keep /...\ strong belief in net neutrality that much of society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize /...\ also ask that you reflect upon the following (old, heavily recycled) quote - which I like a lot:  "The first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over the opponent." - Odagiri
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:52:55
routing problems you're aiming to solve with ZeroTier. I have an admission to make. I did a very un-academic right-brainy thing, in that I made a little bit of a leap. When I read “phase transition” it was sort of an epiphany moment. Perhaps /...\ immediately got a mental image of a phase transition in state space where a system takes on new properties. You see that sort of thing in those areas all the time. But I don’t think it’s a huge leap. The question Tsitsiklis/Xu were looking /...\ These other issues, such as this and the CAP theorem, are probably secondary in that if trust can be solved then these other things can be tackled or the problem space can be redefined around them. > Second, the advantage is gained by having a panoptic view of the whole
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:50:40
exampl e, by the FCC mustering the political will to classify broadband companies as "common carriers", or by Congress passing new law). These things are politically difficult, but not impossible, and should be one of the things the Internet works to make happen. At the same time, we should keep /...\ strong belief in net neutrality that much of society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize /...\ desire.  I also ask that you reflect upon the following (old, heavily recycled) quote - which I like a lot:  "The first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 19:16:39
exampl e, by the FCC mustering the political will to classify broadband companies as "common carriers", or by Congress passing new law). These things are politically difficult, but not impossible, and should be one of the things the Internet works to make happen. At the same time, we should keep /...\ strong belief in net neutrality that much of society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize /...\ also ask that you reflect upon the following (old, heavily recycled) quote - which I like a lot:  "The first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over the opponent." - Odagiri
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:39:30
mechanisms (for example, by the FCC mustering the political will to classify broadband companies as "common carriers", or by Congress passing new law). These things are politically difficult, but not impossible, and should be one of the things the Internet works to make happen. At the same time, we should /...\ strong belief in net neutrality that much of society (and the US government) has is due to technology shaping culture and norms. Building new things is one of the ways to create social change. Just don't cast out the entire idea of laws. Now's the time to organize /...\ desire.  I also ask that you reflect upon the following (old, heavily recycled) quote - which I like a lot:  "The first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:31:53
spend money, we get (paradoxically) richer. We create a lot more economic activity which creates many more opportunities and tends to inflate things like wages in the long term. So paying for stuff online makes you poorer, but if nobody pays for anything online we get pathologies like the surveillance /...\ computing. (All the tech, like containers and VMs, is old mainframe tech reimagined/rebooted.) Now we’re starting to see some efforts to push things back toward personal computing again, albeit with a different more networked model from the old grey box PC. There are aspects of the cloud that /...\ aren’t going away though. At central data centers it’s possible to achieve economies of scale that can make things like storage and compute cheaper in bulk there than they are in a distributed system. They can also be more reliable. I host many things
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:14:11
source" or "p2p" they might think of Ubuntu, or Android (regarding open source OSs) or Bittorrent, or Piratebay (in terms of things that come to mind if an ordinary human is asked what do they thing of as an example of P2P or F2F tech). Given /...\ break (http://prism-break.org/) - an option which is so simple that anyone (at least in primary school levels) can understand it and act on things presented in it within less than a minute. Look. Software. Click (one click, two max!) to get it. Done. 2) What are some ways /...\ Decentralize Everything? To the DNS and beyond? Stuff that comes to mind (remember, there is no one thing, there are no captains, there is no one solution, these are just examples of possible partial solutions being thrown out here): 2)a. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/ 2)b. https://github.com/namecoin
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-05 16:13:36
Eric, >>  I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things >>  that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. I am working on Cozy Cloud. It aims at providing every one an abstraction /...\ taken aback. But they acknowledge this fact all the time and are working on addressing that. And also, that's really just for publishing things. For using things, even this tiny proof-of-concept Dockerfile for Piwik  got me way farther and was much easier than the official /...\ Product, I ran out of steam. >> >> I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things >>  that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 06:51:59
could do this. There is *probably* a way to do it, but I think that life is easier if you embrace things like eventually consistency and design things to work with those principles instead of attempting to box them into something they arn't. The feed in secure scuttlebutt /...\ cryptographically prove that they did indeed perform a such as relaying your data for you, hence we need to calculate a trust value. The thing you seem to be describing is certainly quite complex, and currently we are focusing on figuring out how to design much simpler things that
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 15:26:45
developer who has never written a line of C professionally. And even that chart is helpful in focusing people's attention. The one thing that rubs me the wrong way is lumping in JSON and XML as things that have to be replaced with a "smarter" protocol, PSYC /...\ time and complexity, is more rigid, etc. I don't know, I don't want to criticize a great effort over maybe a small thing, but it's already asking developers to start over on a number of things. If the effort wants to gain traction, maybe consider taking
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
radio spectrum but it's a sunk cost (at least until the FCC reallocates more of their spectrum). You can even do the same thing without a broadcast tower, it just has the same lack of efficiency. It's simple enough to have every node regularly tell every other node /...\ everyone equally. The question then is whether people need to agree at the “meta” level on some common things that they all trust, and if so how this is accomplished. Seems to me that they do otherwise cooperation becomes difficult (game theory territory). That /...\ must agree on what protocol to use" sense but I don't think dynamic global consensus is actually required in general. The things like that which everyone has to agree about are relatively static. Meanwhile if Alice and Bob want to communicate then Alice and Bob have to agree
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 14:38:21
people hear "open source" or "p2p" they might think of Ubuntu, or Android (regarding open source OSs) or Bittorrent, or Piratebay (in terms of things that come to mind if an ordinary human is asked what do they thing of as an example of P2P or F2F tech /...\ prism-break ( http://prism-break.org/ ) - an option which is so simple that anyone (at least in primary school levels) can understand it and act on things presented in it within less than a minute.  Look. Software. Click (one click, two max!) to get it. Done. 2) What are some /...\ ways to Decentralize Everything? To the DNS and beyond? Stuff that comes to mind (remember, there is no one thing, there are no captains, there is no one solution, these are just examples of possible partial solutions being thrown out here):    2)a. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 20:23:47
before signing it. That's the huge fail with the existing CAs. They'll sign anything. Moxie Marlinspike has had a number of relevant things to say about that. > That manual intervention must by definition take place over some other network, not the network in question, since the network /...\ bubble. It's inherently deflationary which promotes hoarding and speculation which causes the price to increase in the short term, but the whole thing is resting on the supremacy of its technical architecture. So if somebody breaks the technology *or* somebody comes up with something better or even a worthwhile /...\ problematic. Using web of trust for key distribution is desperation. Key distribution is the poster child for applying multiple heterogenous methods. It's the thing most necessary to carry out external to the network but they're trying to handle it internally using one method for everyone. The ideal would
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
think we agree - the shoulders of our forebears. I submit, though, that there is such a thing as real contribution to knowledge that is not combinatorial. Do you feel then that not-physical property is an oxymoron? /RT2> > my way of thinking as a psycholinguist /...\ knows better will never help us pass this century. > > the forced philosophy of "open source" > There's no such thing as the philosophy of "open source", forced or not. Open source is a reduction of the free software philosophy to its engineering aspect /...\ privacy and possession > Possession and property are very distinct concepts. I'm very fine with people possessing stuff. Owning property is another thing entirely, that depends on the capacity to enforce such property. > The real problem is how to organize piecemeal encrypted transport. > Well, besides the fact
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 21:02:50
smarter than anybody, certainly in the sense that my way is the right way - but I do recognize that it is important to discuss things which people might not be aware of on their own when they first get online, and make their own decisions - and being free of bias /...\ there is strong pull from the field, since that automatically implies people on the ground will have the time, resources and energy to take things forward and take ownership of the technology they're setting up/using. -- Anish On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:47 PM, hellekin < hellekin@gnu.org /...\ Anish Mangal wrote: > > I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and > engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind when I > shared this email, and second, the larger fight of generally making > internet a better place
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
certainly in the sense that my way is the right way - but I do > recognize > > that it is important to discuss things which people might not be a > ware > > of on their own when they first get online, and make their own > decisions /...\ strong pull from the field, since that automatically implies people > > on the ground will have the time, resources and energy to take things > > forward and take ownership of the technology they're setting up/using. > > > > -- > > Anish /...\ believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and > >> engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind > when I > >> shared this email, and second, the larger fight of generally making > >> internet a better place
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-09-12 17:14:40
other issues, such as this and the > CAP theorem, are probably secondary in that if trust can be solved > then these other things can be tackled or the problem space can be > redefined around them. I totally agree. Perhaps Tor would be an interesting example to think /...\ because it's decentralised at the level of resource allocation but centralised at the level of trust. The Tor directory authorities are the closest thing I can think of to a Blind Idiot God: they act as a trust anchor for the system while remaining deliberately ignorant about who uses /...\ routine” or huge-scale. Onion routing will always be more expensive than direct routing, but bandwidth keeps getting cheaper, so the set of things for which onion routing is affordable will keep growing. Latency is a bigger issue than bandwidth in my opinion. In theory you can pass
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:04:36
that it never works. For all the failings of free > market capitalism, it's clearly better than a centrally planned > economy. The thing about functioning decentralized and federated > systems is that they often work so well they become invisible. Nobody > notices the *absence* of a middle /...\ police are required. To bring the point home, we can consider a market as a collection of protocols. This conversation, or the re-decentralise thing, probably started by assuming these protocols all work perfectly, as per Hayeck. Clearly not a worker. We need rules and regulations, we need detection /...\ response, and the response has to have some real impact. These are, I suspect, human things. Humans are interacting, and humans need to address problems. As a direct outcome of the human model, we might look at community size. This depends on the facilities being offered. Distributed search, YaCy
Louise Ishka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-03 08:38:06
taken aback. But they acknowledge this fact all the time and are working on addressing that. And also, that's really just for publishing things. For using things, even this tiny proof-of-concept Dockerfile for Piwik  got me way farther and was much easier than the official install /...\ Product, I ran out of steam. >> >> I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things >>  that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like it right
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:21:49
computing. (All the tech, like containers and VMs, is old mainframe tech reimagined/rebooted.) Now we’re starting to see some efforts to push things back toward personal computing again, albeit with a different more networked model from the old grey box PC. There are aspects of the cloud that /...\ aren’t going away though. At central data centers it’s possible to achieve economies of scale that can make things like storage and compute cheaper in bulk there than they are in a distributed system. They can also be more reliable. I host many things
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-06-06 16:04:20
improve the kickstarter and the web. I have a tech wiki but I cant show now. Could you help me on the 2 things?  or anyone in you team? I can pay for that and for sure if you involve with us , and if i make the fund /...\ have. I noticed that on  redecentralize. org  everybody is speaking about their own kick-ass new way of doing things! Why not put them all together in  a way that every end-user that has been so far "learned", with the way that facebook /...\ internet.  You may call it a new social movement. Please see my humble draft. I tried to put together some of the things I've seen here and they make sense. There are a lot of other useful tools that we may use, like ArkOS on the raspberry
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:31:33
result of the firewall cargo cult we are in an arms race with ourselves to defeat our own security measures. We block things, then design protocols to get around that, then block those, rinse and repeat. It's so unbelievably dumb. (2) Yup. (3) Maybe infosec companies encourage this kind /...\ thing to sell more complex and expensive products? Nah... probably just stupidity. Nuke the infosec profession and start over. On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:27 PM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: > Unfortunately the cargo cultists think the blanket-block-all firewall is (a) necessary and (b) effective /...\ will shriek and scream bloody murder if you suggest dispensing with it. The thing that amazes me about it is nobody seems to think about the consequences. 1) Enterprise blocks everything at the firewall. Result: Employees come up with hacky work-arounds that impair security just so they
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
anybody, > certainly in the sense that my way is the right way - but I do recognize > that it is important to discuss things which people might not be a ware > of on their own when they first get online, and make their own decisions > - and being /...\ strong pull from the field, since that automatically implies people > on the ground will have the time, resources and energy to take things > forward and take ownership of the technology they're setting up/using. > > -- > Anish /...\ wrote: > >> I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and >> engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind when I >> shared this email, and second, the larger fight of generally making >> internet a better place
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 11:57:52
definitely. Homomorphic crypto could have a *lot* of uses. It opens up the potential for things like black box certificate authorities that could be distributed as open source software. The CA signs your key. With what? A key pair it generated internally that cannot *ever* be viewed by *anyone*. :) -Adam /...\ trillion times -- but it is still a trillion times too slow. But, someday -- and maybe someday sooner than we think, as these things go -- maybe it will be feasible to have things like zero-knowledge search engines. Maybe low-level zero-knowledge tasks, like packet-switching or whatever, could
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
anybody, > certainly in the sense that my way is the right way - but I do recognize > that it is important to discuss things which people might not be a ware > of on their own when they first get online, and make their own decisions > - and being /...\ strong pull from the field, since that automatically implies people > on the ground will have the time, resources and energy to take things > forward and take ownership of the technology they're setting up/using. > > -- > Anish /...\ wrote: > >> I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and >> engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind when I >> shared this email, and second, the larger fight of generally making >> internet a better place
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 10:55:53
driver, which is a fork of the OpenVPN tap-windows driver with some extra ioctls that I added to support a few things ZT1 needs and Windows does not provide. That is working and the tap driver is working, but there are still some rough edges around what goes into /...\ they look right in the native Windows network connection dialogs. I want the user to be able to use those dialogs too to do things like set firewall policies on a per-tap basis and have those settings stick. 3) I want to make sure that these connections /...\ into the Windows network connections dialogs and say so. I'd say ETA about a month for Windows since once those two things are nailed down I will want to do a few weeks of my own testing and let auto-update run several times in various
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier One public beta (binaries) for Macintosh and Linux 2014-02-13 13:00:12
driver, which is a fork of the OpenVPN tap-windows driver with some extra ioctls that I added to support a few things ZT1 needs and Windows does not provide. That is working and the tap driver is working, but there are still some rough edges around what goes into /...\ they look right in the native Windows network connection dialogs. I want the user to be able to use those dialogs too to do things like set firewall policies on a per-tap basis and have those settings stick. 3) I want to make sure that these connections /...\ into the Windows network connections dialogs and say so. I'd say ETA about a month for Windows since once those two things are nailed down I will want to do a few weeks of my own testing and let auto-update run several times in various
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:08:18
that is the smartest thing I've read in a long time. Thanks for sharing xx On 3 September 2014 09:44, Dominic Tarr < dominic.tarr@gmail.com > wrote: I was very happy when I first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your "I want to believe" post was brilliant /...\ probably a pretty good chance that someone currently online has it. But then what if they refuse to serve it, or serve the wrong thing? (this could be malicious or by accident) What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater than when the property system /...\ this… > > Decentralization doesn’t necessarily imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. > > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty much guarantees the domination
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:58:22
taken aback. But they acknowledge this fact all the time and are working on addressing that. And also, that's really just for publishing things. For using things, even this tiny proof-of-concept Dockerfile for Piwik  got me way farther and was much easier than the official /...\ Product, I ran out of steam. >> >> I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things >>  that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-28 00:20:46
have. I noticed that on  redecentralize. org  everybody is speaking about their own kick-ass new way of doing things! Why not put them all together in  a way that every end-user that has been so far "learned", with the way that facebook /...\ internet.  You may call it a new social movement. Please see my humble draft. I tried to put together some of the things I've seen here and they make sense. There are a lot of other useful tools that we may use, like ArkOS on the raspberry
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 13:21:29
erection of barriers, requiring the user to do extra steps. Good UX is often achieved through automation that involves trusting third parties or doing things the "easy" (insecure) way. But I don't think it has to be this way. In particular, I think cryptography offers many opportunities for using /...\ clever math and cryptographic transform composition to do things in a way that is both user-friendly and very secure. But it requires a deep understanding of crypto to get there. Couldn't agree more. And as the leaders in this push the boundaries, and other people follow their lead
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:06:32
knows better will never help us pass this century. > > the forced philosophy of "open source" > There's no such thing as the philosophy of "open source", forced or not. Open source is a reduction of the free software philosophy to its engineering aspect /...\ privacy and possession > Possession and property are very distinct concepts. I'm very fine with people possessing stuff. Owning property is another thing entirely, that depends on the capacity to enforce such property. > The real problem is how to organize piecemeal encrypted transport. > Well, besides the fact
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 22:46:58
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 17:53:18
advice sounds. Rather, we would encourage people to learn security in a more precise and technical fashion, and that includes practising by implementing these things yourself. But - don't release them, or make claims about them, until you are genuinely honestly sure (as opposed to wanting to make a quick /...\ buck) and have had it reviewed by similarly genuine and honest people. Also, even if you don't become good enough to release things for deployment, learning about these concepts from a precise and engineering viewpoint lets you see through the bullshit more effectively. X On 28/02/14 14:55, Eric
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 10:49:44
presented / hacked upon / broke / mended WebRTC, Tahoe, Crypho and techniques for punching holes in firewalls / NAT. We intend to do the same sort of thing again in Freiburg, perhaps here: http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p507456 (Sleeps 4-10 people and there's further accommodation and plenty of Alphorns close by - check /...\ Sunday, March 16th -> Friday, 21st. If you're interested in attending drop me and/or Holger (cc'd) a line. Hope this makes things clearer and I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have, Nicholas. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
local desktop. The first is a client that connects you to one running somewhere else, while the second actually runs one virtually. The closest thing out there to ZT1 is probably LogMeIn Hamachi, but it's closed-source and aimed at the "enterprise" market. (Which I view as something /...\ ZeroTier address of the "netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
local desktop. The first is a client that connects you to one running somewhere else, while the second actually runs one virtually. The closest thing out there to ZT1 is probably LogMeIn Hamachi, but it's closed-source and aimed at the "enterprise" market. (Which I view as something /...\ ZeroTier address of the "netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 10:45:39
think through the problem. I really want to push through the Little Centralization Paper (Tsitsiklis/Xu) a little more. > > To me the key thing is this: > > Our hypothetical "blind idiot God" must be as minimal as possible. I'm with you. We've been toying /...\ such an idea for a while too. But looking into this "little centralization paper" I'm left puzzled what *function* the centralized thing should provide? My over-all impression so far is, that the paper mostly concerns efficiency and load balancing. I'm not yet convinced that these
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:04:39
problem. I really want to push through the Little Centralization Paper (Tsitsiklis/Xu) a little more. >> >> To me the key thing is this: >> >> Our hypothetical "blind idiot God" must be as minimal as possible. > > I'm with /...\ while too. > > But looking into this "little centralization paper" I'm left puzzled > what *function* the centralized thing should provide? That's what I'm scratching my head about too. Their work is so theoretical it simply doesn't specify *what* it should do, just
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 00:48:45
trillion times -- but it is still a trillion times too slow. But, someday -- and maybe someday sooner than we think, as these things go -- maybe it will be feasible to have things like zero-knowledge search engines. Maybe low-level zero-knowledge tasks, like packet-switching or whatever, could
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
from a virtual assistant who is truly at your service. In a word : as surprisingly as it may seems from the current situation, I thing that the future of the internet will be decentralized and user centric. 1.4    What will be the essential functional /...\ must be trusted... there is a lot to invest to bring such a hardware to a high level of integrity. 4/ personal data portability: things are going well in France and in EU : regulations has begun to take this point as a fundamental right. But 1/ the texts
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 06:03:22
broke / mended WebRTC, Tahoe, Crypho and techniques for > punching holes in firewalls / NAT. > > We intend to do the same sort of thing again in Freiburg, perhaps here: > > http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p507456 > > (Sleeps 4-10 people and there's further accommodation and plenty /...\ Friday, 21st. > > If you're interested in attending drop me and/or Holger (cc'd) a line. > > Hope this makes things clearer and I'm more than happy to answer any > questions you may have, > > Nicholas. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-03 10:36:17
eric@konklone.com > wrote: Oh, these are cool, thank you for that (and for typing all that out on your phone). The anti-spam thing is interesting, though it's not really taking advantage of the blockchain - you could implement the same strategy with USD, BTC is maybe just easier /...\ Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Besides Bitcoin, or potentially on top of Bitcoin, how are people using blockchains for things other than currency? I'd like to write about the subject, and round up what I can. So for example, I'm aware of Namecoin
Johan Pouwelse [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 18:36:20
have a fully decentralised Youtube, plus are doing anonymous streaming tests now. Tribler is not merely a streaming Bittorrent client, we build various things on top of our P2P distributed database, such a wiki-style editing of metadata. We do not use the TOR network, we enhanced their protocol /...\ Looks like it's a bittorrent client > that you're putting behind TOR, plus an over-the-local-wifi feature. The two > things I wonder: what's the merit of bittorrent as a replacement > communication structure when applications don't communicate via > file-sharing, and would
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
chance that someone >> currently online has it. >> But then what if they refuse to serve it, or serve the wrong thing? >> (this could be malicious or by accident) >> >> What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times /...\ Decentralization doesn’t necessarily imply that all peers are of equal >> > size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. >> > >> > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty >> > much guarantees
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 13:41:47
have a fully decentralised Youtube, plus are doing anonymous streaming tests now. Tribler is not merely a streaming Bittorrent client, we build various things on top of our P2P distributed database, such a wiki-style editing of metadata. We do not use the TOR network, we enhanced their protocol /...\ Looks like it's a bittorrent client > that you're putting behind TOR, plus an over-the-local-wifi feature. The two > things I wonder: what's the merit of bittorrent as a replacement > communication structure when applications don't communicate via > file-sharing, and would
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 14:44:40
probably a pretty good chance that someone currently online has it. But then what if they refuse to serve it, or serve the wrong thing? (this could be malicious or by accident) What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater than when the property system /...\ another point about this… > > Decentralization doesn’t necessarily imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. > > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
world with each other that worked over PSTN via mobile devices correspondents used at the time and acoustic couplers. Internet was not a big thing in UK let alone Africa then.    I've been thinking about how the vision was not really accomplished after the World Bank /...\ make good decisions and build lasting systems that benefit us all. It is not enough just to give people the ability to change things we also need to give people the information and data to accurately asses our problems and challenge the status quo.I am interested in changing this
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
probably a pretty good chance that someone currently online has it. But then what if they refuse to serve it, or serve the wrong thing? (this could be malicious or by accident) What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater than when the property system /...\ this… > > Decentralization doesn’t necessarily imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. > > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty much guarantees the domination
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
chance that someone >> currently online has it. >> But then what if they refuse to serve it, or serve the wrong thing? >> (this could be malicious or by accident) >> >> What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times /...\ Decentralization doesn’t necessarily imply that all peers are of equal >> > size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. >> > >> > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty >> > much guarantees the domination
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
currently online has it. >> >> But then what if they refuse to serve it, or serve the wrong thing? >> >> (this could be malicious or by accident) >> >> >> >> What you do have is crypto, and information processing /...\ necessarily imply that all peers are of >> >> > equal >> >> > size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. >> >> > >> >> > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 22:18:20
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
system") is a virtual property (as in "being an attribute not having a physical component"). To decentralize therefore needs (among other things) a) a component to model a legal system and b) use (a) to model property c) make sure that (b) is not tied to physical /...\ pretty good chance that someone > currently online has it. > But then what if they refuse to serve it, or serve the wrong thing? > (this could be malicious or by accident) These are *some* of those issues I skipped. You are right: that's the easy part. Once
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:07:09
signatures. > - Dataset coordination: the global blockchain and total ordering via PoW. Bitcoin – it's a bit tiring. Sure it does solve these things in some way. It has to. The only thing we do slightly different is the data set coordination. PoW is just not good enough
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-30 15:00:08
this simple phrase it’s that it embodies the raw essence of the principle Person-First, putting  people first , the very thing that is being squeezed out of all of our technology from every side right now as it’s twisted into corporate-first and government /...\ same. ---- http://www.raphkoster.com/2014/03/25/musings-on-the-oculus-sale/ --- Either way, no matter who wins out, it was never about the rendering. All four of these visions have one thing in common: the servers. It’s about who owns the servers. The servers that store your metrics. The servers that shout
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-31 19:36:04
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-09 11:30:40
ball.askemos.org/A876f1fe6998ca9d43f2e66c11a3f0d4a?do=notaries&version=19&login=public An agent (here the wallet application) can control the list of notaries. There is nothing to prevent the agent from doing stupid things like removing all notaries. > The data model in secure-scuttlebutt is very simple. There are > messages, feeds, and ids. > a feed /...\ that is, this is one wallet of it. You want to log in using "public" to >>> find the actual thing. It's controlled by a single (though having >>> 80kLOC large) source file: >>> http://ball.askemos.org/Aa176138e655369f8c01c3044ced70cfc
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:00:02
they so desire. I also ask that you reflect upon the following (old, heavily recycled) quote - which I like a lot: "The first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over /...\ That said, here's getting to what I intended to emphasize: The process of decentralization needs to be everywhere. It needs to be easier. Things that are here and there need to be made available in commonly available places and made easy to access / download / use in ways that
P S [LibreList] First Person Technologies 2014-03-29 17:32:15
this simple phrase it’s that it embodies the raw essence of the principle Person-First, putting  people first , the very thing that is being squeezed out of all of our technology from every side right now as it’s twisted into corporate-first and government /...\ same. ---- http://www.raphkoster.com/2014/03/25/musings-on-the-oculus-sale/ --- Either way, no matter who wins out, it was never about the rendering. All four of these visions have one thing in common: the servers. It’s about who owns the servers. The servers that store your metrics. The servers that shout
Tic Nticsebastian [LibreList] (no subject) 2014-05-28 00:08:52
that I have. I noticed that on  redecentralize.org  everybody is speaking about their own kick-ass new way of doing things! Why not put them all together in  a way that every end-user that has been so far "learned", with the way that /...\ internet.  You may call it a new social movement. Please see my humble draft. I tried to put together some of the things I've seen here and they make sense. There are a lot of other useful tools that we may use, like ArkOS on the raspberry
Tristan Nitot [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 15:33:59
sense, and some >> groups are organising team meetups around the same time. > It's not odd, if used for the right thing. Unfortunately I cannot come. > Really bad. > > I hope that there will be some discussions about the question: What do > we really /...\ need to centralize the Web to exchange. Actually, my company, Cozy Cloud, is working on standards that could enable different systems to privately share things. More details: http://camp.ouisharelabs.net/2015/dswg/ and https://www.w3.org/community/decsharing/ . --Tristan > We are > social animals. We go into the most crowded
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-15 14:37:29
broke / mended WebRTC, Tahoe, Crypho and techniques > for punching holes in firewalls / NAT. > > We intend to do the same sort of thing again in Freiburg, perhaps > here: > > http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p507456 > > (Sleeps 4-10 people and there's further accommodation and plenty /...\ Friday, 21st. > > If you're interested in attending drop me and/or Holger (cc'd) a > line. > > Hope this makes things clearer and I'm more than happy to answer > any questions you may have, > > Nicholas. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 19:48:09
Open stuff is only used tactically (e.g. Google/Apple using the web to beat Microsoft). That doesn't sound like a bad thing at all. We want an open, decentralized web because it's useful for the greatest number -- any corporation which is able to take a long term view /...\ being *forced* to take a short term view -- as they watch indexable content disappear into closed networks, and fewer people wanting/needing to search as things get put in front of them via their networks -- and their deprioritization of open web technologies. See Eric Schmidt's display of righteous anger
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 11:31:17
fuse client is not stable enough to be released publicly and WebDAV is no longer widely supported on client sides. While the whole thing should itself be able to run on Android, nobody had the resources to actually compile for it. GUI client is just under development. Same for transition /...\ make good decisions and build lasting systems that benefit us all. It > is not enough just to give people the ability to change things we also > need to give people the information and data to accurately asses our > problems and challenge the status quo.I am interested
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
world with each other that worked over PSTN via mobile devices correspondents used at the time and acoustic couplers. Internet was not a big thing in UK let alone Africa then.  I've been thinking about how the vision was not really accomplished after the World Bank and others /...\ make good decisions and build lasting systems that benefit us all. It is not enough just to give people the ability to change things we also need to give people the information and data to accurately asses our problems and challenge the status quo.I am interested in changing this
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 12:02:15
these are cool, thank you for that (and for typing all that out on your phone). The anti-spam thing is interesting, though it's not really taking advantage of the blockchain - you could implement the same strategy with USD, BTC is maybe just easier to script against. Using /...\ Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Besides Bitcoin, or potentially on top of Bitcoin, how are people using blockchains for things other than currency? I'd like to write about the subject, and round up what I can. So for example, I'm aware of Namecoin
Thomas Levine [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 06:33:00
decentralized email list software (ypotf). You can interview me if I finish it, or perhaps if I don't. I use a bunch of things that might count because they communicate substantially less with networks than contemporary services do. * nmh (previously mutt and offlineimap) * fossil * MHTML firefox extension * Kiwix * recoll /...\ annoying to install and to use. Once I start carrying more hard drives with me, I'll probably set up an offline OpenStreetMap thing. You could look at Internet
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] 2014-05-27 23:24:13
have. I noticed that on  redecentralize. org  everybody is speaking about their own kick-ass new way of doing things! Why not put them all together in  a way that every end-user that has been so far "learned", with the way that facebook /...\ internet.  You may call it a new social movement. Please see my humble draft. I tried to put together some of the things I've seen here and they make sense. There are a lot of other useful tools that we may use, like ArkOS on the raspberry
adam.ierymenko [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 16:50:00
Looks wonderful. It's like Product Hunt for dapps, which is badly needed. You might have different categories of usable. There are things that are usable for developers and IT people and then things that are usable for end users. How do we submit stuff? IPFS, BitTorrent, ZeroTier
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 02:23:24
appreciating if you, Irina and Francis stay > majorly involved, help people along and continue to drive and do > interviews yourselves. I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely benefit the community. Everyone
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 11:10:40
Francis stay majorly involved, help people along and continue to >> drive and do interviews yourselves. > > I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, > involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely > benefit the community. Everyone’s time
fernando.gs@gmail.com [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:17:15
Francis stay majorly involved, help people along and continue to >>> drive and do interviews yourselves. >> >> I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, >> involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely >> benefit the community
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:37:56
Francis stay majorly involved, help people along and continue to >>> drive and do interviews yourselves. >> >> I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, >> involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely >> benefit the community
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
that would be really great too. I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind when I shared this email, and second, the larger fight of generally making internet a better place :-) Cheers, Anish
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 08:45:25
tablets and get their software not from markets, but distribution systems like app stores. I fear the ideal that markets do the right thing is a joke because they are impossible to have in a capitalist society
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
really great too. > > I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and > engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind when I > shared this email, and second, the larger fight of generally making > internet a better place
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 19:06:34
wider comments. Ideally this gets picked up by W3C or another standards body, we don't want this to be an ownCloud-specific thing (why else publish it as a draft standard?). It is, very pragmatically, built on REST and WebDAV and TLS - no fancy  global distributed hashtable
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 11:17:34
Anish Mangal wrote: > > I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and > engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind when I > shared this email, and second, the larger fight of generally making > internet a better place
juh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 09:13:41
makes sense, and some > groups are organising team meetups around the same time. It's not odd, if used for the right thing. Unfortunately I cannot come. Really bad. I hope that there will be some discussions about the question: What do we really want to do? I think
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-16 16:15:21
SHA512 On 09/16/2015 02:14 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > Hi, > > Now the ownCloud Conf is over I'm trying to wrap things up. There was one > announcement I think you folk find interesting: https://owncloud.org/c onnect/ > They use Pagekite. They could
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-17 08:09:46
Poortvliet wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Now the ownCloud Conf is over I'm trying to wrap things up. There was > one > > announcement I think you folk find interesting: https://owncloud.org/c > onnect/ > > > > They use Pagekite.  They
will.sch [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Webcasts / Periscope 2015-10-16 15:17:45
tomorrow for people to tune in and on youtube afterwards. We have 3 rooms and also some free spaces which will have various things going on. If people want use Periscope as well I think it's a good idea. Will -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Webcasts / Periscope Time
adam.ierymenko [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 15:04:00
That brings up something that should go in everyone's "reasons things get centralized" list: Installing, maintaining, upgrading, and troubleshooting software installs is very hard and time consuming. Centralization delegates that responsibility to someone else for a fee, either monetary or in the form of implied consent to data mining /...\ Time (yours or someone else's) is very expensive, so this cost is often a lot less than the cost of manually maintaining things. Decentralization is not just about networking, distributed systems, and data replication. It's also about solving a long list of more mundane problems that contribute indirectly
dominic.tarr [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 02:01:00
okay, kicking the tires on this retroshare thing I installed retroshare, think I other people to add me via my "ID Certificate": CQEGAf8AAAJUxsBNBFcGIGIBCACdqBRUsNAoEk3bKebxI3/7p/pN2TXAXEcPNRQ6 2P1J+Q+h75lPZAMML7swT+9/9rSdA0sHgbwqlJWJACzylO+c3dLrA0jtkpnh1sAn kqcRw7sO4HBY7mQnMxRxjNHvBEBzSVns3xYAkHB/t6vgN2YSu02Wo6tRLjxXl+VO 2aOKCVRnfknGIHCVolVQBFNFNO3Kk6F/OvsgFGBPDAQdkNS+Usx8wd7dzt7ubiQx oCUa4YXqfHcnwQBmq1NT4PmobG3x+pQkZW1Kwc8aOUBK875NDnHAZYfZkg+KDbzR MJtx6y3kWFLa5ZhvFLTyr89r3UXbSkWJ26t7DWYG9cSzwnqBABEBAAHNIERNVCAo R2VuZXJhdGVkIGJ5IFJldHJvU2hhcmUpIDw+wsBfBBMBAgATBQJXBiBiCRBM8TXi 5oVeHgIZAQAAhBwH/jvo65sE31c3K0lNsmGlhVV02QqYNdw0ZLz9b+LbzhdnDcvb /yjtPBHZAA3PqaBLC3QZuqLM6syFg3ZYT2futH5aR2fHfWPHqqzlSx5u0ic1GN67 0zLU4SQ/SvblVCH6jctlDoIkbA7tOWeHF1iV7YQp8Vfc4uix6UH8GhLJ7Gu9t1ub LZBq1qjwwcMax1fj2aGqbCh+sVr13dOnjdn0KLzlsv5BG9zDBEaX8qaxWYaHZ82J rZy+sA4uEh1AnF8heKTzTmO2xL9oL1GykGd9cBPo8JJKcbP+JD8YdnxG1KOy8x5W 9fLoTAS3C9PswTSh2INR/PY2II3yw1mtD0o7c9MCBnZdzuFPWQMGwKgBA09ZBAAG BmxhcHRvcAUQPHdHvpFJuOnfDeJedffYKQcDLuQO
Ira [GG] Re: Hi and mailing lists 2016-04-28 06:39:00
groups coming to discuss participation and representation with amazing progress; as well as the redecentralize unconference bit ( http://dcentproject.eu/dcentmadrid/democracy-lab/open-call/ ) (!) Registration for all the things happening is now online here: https://www.cvent.com/c/express/c98cc0f1-cdbd-4d5c-896b-86946f4a0d2d -- Irina Bolychevsky @shevski
anishmg [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 07:06:00
used offline. I am also using SECN (Openwrt) Batman based mesh networking in the deployments I setup in rural places but still many things are centralized (name resolution, content serving, dhcp). Would love to make mesh networking truly decentralized
anishmg [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-12-11 19:29:00
Here is part two. [Things I Learned Building the Skynet PART 2 — How to Eat Dust] https://medium.com/@skynet.admin/things-i-learned-building-the-skynet-part-2-how-to-eat-dust-1a0c78a48fc7#.oc1bzbwcs I also just returned from teaching a few (local) folks in Spiti valley to create mesh networking, and if they want
Mikko Kotila [GG] Re: Which decentralized products _would_ you use day to day if they existed? Why? 2016-09-10 22:50:00
think "critical" things like code repos would benefit most from being decentralized, so I guess something like git but completely decentralized. Websites is the bulk of the internet, so it would be very interesting to see more on decentralized self-publishing platforms. For personal use, cross-platform secure/private/anon messaging
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-07 21:31:57
become big enough to change the status quo. Figure out what it will take to get decentralized apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas of what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers to help. Those who've spoken
frabcus [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-03-14 19:57:00
otherwise is excellent, it'll still go in. Otherwise we really would get nowhere... But note the usability requirement! Which very few things pass. Alas, not even Signal - in my experience it doesn't reliably deliver messages. Francis
Janislav Malahov [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 11:23:03
become big enough to change the status quo. Figure out what it will take to get decentralized apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas of what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers to help. Those who've spoken
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-09 11:33:06
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 14:29:11
become big enough to change the status quo. Figure out what it will take to get decentralized apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas o f what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers to help. Those
Ira [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 09:18:00
Thanks both, the thing I'd like it not just hosting (I have a server..), but someone to maintain it (security upgrades, backups etc) and ensure it stays up and data doesn't get lost.  I'd also settle for mailman
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 16:25:23
underlying tech is irrelevant - the hard bit is having a browser standard for this. The thing stopping me making micropayments isn't if I have to pay 5% to Visa or use a centralised server, it is that there is no interface for doing micropayments. Anyone know
Janislav Malahov [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 19:13:27
Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > : The underlying tech is irrelevant - the hard bit is having a browser standard for this. The thing stopping me making micropayments isn't if I have to pay 5% to Visa or use a centralised server, it is that there is no interface for doing
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-11 22:18:27
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-13 23:15:34
history than that. Factually backing up statements about it originally being more centralized, and so on. So probably, finding more detailed references for the things the New Yorker article mentions? Generally, BTW, do please mention interesting articles or videos here! I tweet them out from @redecentralize, and I'd rather
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-14 22:14:43
history than that. Factually backing up statements about it originally being more centralized, and so on. So probably, finding more detailed references for the things the New Yorker article mentions? Generally, BTW, do please mention interesting articles or videos here! I tweet them out from @redecentralize, and I'd rather
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-15 11:58:55
history than that. Factually backing up statements about it originally being more centralized, and so on. So probably, finding more detailed references for the things the New Yorker article mentions? Generally, BTW, do please mention interesting articles or videos here! I tweet them out from @redecentralize, and I'd rather
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:42:22
name of the resource *and* the place you go to get that resource. Short term is another matter. There are lots of incremental things people can and should do now. The dig at WebRTC is uncalled for - yes, right now you have to have some other identity system
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 16:07:02
schrieb Eric Mill <eric@konklone.com>: > Besides Bitcoin, or potentially on top of Bitcoin, how are people > using blockchains for things other than currency? I'd like to write > about the subject, and round up what I can. > > So for example, I'm aware
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 19:00:50
Product, I ran out of steam. >> >> I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things >> that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like it right
Ira [Email] There's more to decentralisation 2018-09-25 13:51:19.9682
Full post is here: https://medium.com/coinmonks/how-decentralised-are-you-a6539eeb27ff Would love your thoughts and ideas on this and what we should all be doing next! One thing I've seen since which may be interesting to people is https://newsocialist.org.uk/decentralising-the-internet/ Thanks, Ira -- Irina Bolychevsky @shevski
Scott Jenson [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2013-12-29 19:26:39
installation. This allows anyone to 'walk up and use' any device. This 'everything is a webpage' approach however is just the first step. Once things are broadcasting URLs, we can move on to RESTful interfaces so devices can find and interact with each other, no HTML in site
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:45:20
name of the resource *and* the place you go to get that resource. Short term is another matter. There are lots of incremental things people can and should do now. The dig at WebRTC is uncalled for - yes, right now you have to have some other identity system
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 17:59:46
Francis Irving wrote: > The underlying tech is irrelevant - the hard bit is having a browser > standard for this. > > The thing stopping me making micropayments isn't if I have to pay 5% to > Visa or use a centralised server, it is that there
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-01 11:50:23
resource *and* the place you go to get that > resource. > > Short term is another matter. There are lots of incremental things > people can and should do now. > I really can't tell, but this might be relevant here. Can anyone interpret the short-form intro
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 01:16:33
Minimum Viable Product, I ran out of steam. I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie together
Jonathan Deamer [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 16:21:10
Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Besides Bitcoin, or potentially on top of Bitcoin, how are people using blockchains for things other than currency? I'd like to write about the subject, and round up what I can. So for example, I'm aware of Namecoin , and the OkTurtles
Stefan Sayer [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:26:16
walk up and use' any > device. > > This 'everything is a webpage' approach however is just the > first step. Once things are broadcasting URLs, we can move on to > RESTful interfaces so devices can find and interact with each > other, no HTML in site
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 23:56:09
Viable > Product, I ran out of steam. > > I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things > that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. I > haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2015-09-07 08:47:29
Haiti, India, Ghana, Nepal and a few other places :) The idea of a decentralized web is very central to our approach of doing things. Looking forward to some great conversation and (hopefully) brainstorming! Cheers, Anish P.S. To find out more about XSCE, you may head to schoolserver.org (ugly wiki), xsce.org
vaX Cymaticka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 14:40:51
Francis Irving wrote: > The underlying tech is irrelevant - the hard bit is having a browser > standard for this. > > The thing stopping me making micropayments isn't if I have to pay 5% to > Visa or use a centralised server, it is that there
Richard Marr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-05 11:35:55
resource *and* the place you go to get that > resource. > > Short term is another matter. There are lots of incremental things > people can and should do now. > I really can't tell, but this might be relevant here.  Can anyone interpret the short
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
ZeroTier address of the "netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
ZeroTier address of the "netconf master" for the network and a random 24-bit ID. The netconf master is a node resposible for doing things like distributing configuration, creating and signing authentication certificates for private network membership, and assigning IP addresses. This too runs the same code as regular clients
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] "Old" but good article on "The Internet's Original Sin" 2015-08-25 21:12:46
Francis Irving wrote: > The underlying tech is irrelevant - the hard bit is having a browser > standard for this. > > The thing stopping me making micropayments isn't if I have to pay 5% to > Visa or use a centralised server, it is that there
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 11:34:27
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to, and paywalled anyway). It seems to be one app of a thing called OpenGarden, which is a meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 14:20:47
venue she had in mind. Perhaps it's the same one Michael mentioned (C4CC)..? Ira..? Assuming the venue I guess the only other thing to do is sort out ticket booking. N. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS1pk/AAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6Ry8IAKODZrvZcXv2mlpwjyr4I8qf x/vpBDw99YU0/y7YLgOpdhM9nZ3TVS1WhlvDPB+DMtFHEL82uz5ERM/+ahQNKeGh
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 14:56:41
venue she had in mind. Perhaps it's the same one Michael mentioned (C4CC)..? Ira..? Assuming the venue I guess the only other thing to do is sort out ticket booking. N. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS1pk/AAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6Ry8IAKODZrvZcXv2mlpwjyr4I8qf x/vpBDw99YU0/y7YLgOpdhM9nZ3TVS1WhlvDPB+DMtFHEL82uz5ERM/+ahQNKeGh
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 15:20:26
Just* as dangerous are cryptographically excellent products which are hard to use and aren't marketed, therefore have no adoption. I agree we need things which are BOTH technically sound AND have a great user experience. Francis On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Eric Mill wrote
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 12:31:08
Just* as dangerous are cryptographically excellent products which are hard to use and aren't marketed, therefore have no adoption. I agree we need things which are BOTH technically sound AND have a great user experience. Francis On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Eric Mill wrote
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-01 10:22:03
holger krekel [LibreList] any meeting point for tonight? 2015-10-16 08:18:38
make good decisions and build lasting systems that benefit us all. It is not enough just to give people the ability to change things we also need to give people the information and data to accurately asses our problems and challenge the status quo.I am interested in changing this
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
access to a section of the DOM for rendering its UI, and no other privileges. This solves the data-containment issue. This really clarified things to me.  Thanks.  It's a nice example to show where our approaches take a different route to the same result.  (While
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
access to a section of the DOM for rendering its UI, and no other privileges. This solves the data-containment issue. This really clarified things to me.  Thanks.  It's a nice example to show where our approaches take a different route to the same result
juh [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 23:20:00
because this is contrary to the individualised ethos of most western developers (I don't want to say libertarianism) it is not happening. Instead things like bitcoin come up which fuel the next decade of predator capitalism. Instead I would propose, for example, to found an organisation under public
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] April meetup / call for topics & speakers. 2014-03-17 13:35:49
cross verify keys in person. Then go through their bug tracker and help triage and add bugs, and send pull requests for simple things like documentation improvements. Focus on usability. 2) TeleHash tryout. They did this at the Colorado meetup, so could ask for hints as to what worked
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 16:36:16
honest interchange. I'm going on vacation now for a week, but send me an email and perhaps we can stay in touch as things develop. Regardless of our varying definitions of free and their importance with respect to the society's future, I think the world would
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 09:56:05
Looks like it's a bittorrent client that you're putting behind TOR, plus an over-the-local-wifi feature. The two things I wonder: what's the merit of bittorrent as a replacement communication structure when applications don't communicate via file-sharing, and would this perform well enough
Francis Irving [LibreList] Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 20:07:43
make good decisions and build lasting systems that benefit us all. It is not enough just to give people the ability to change things we also need to give people the information and data to accurately asses our problems and challenge the status quo.I am interested in changing this
Eric Mill [LibreList] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 10:41:43
Besides Bitcoin, or potentially on top of Bitcoin, how are people using blockchains for things other than currency? I'd like to write about the subject, and round up what I can. So for example, I'm aware of Namecoin , and the OkTurtles project, which is trying
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Decentralised symposium 2014-02-27 11:01:47
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, There's lots of interesting things going on but we're all so (physically) far apart. For example, I live in the middle-of-nowhere rural England and, earlier this week, Francis was in Liverpool (miles away from me) giving a talk about
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Hello! 2015-09-02 22:02:28
Haiti, India, Ghana, Nepal and a few other places :) The idea of a decentralized web is very central to our approach of doing things. Looking forward to some great conversation and (hopefully) brainstorming! Cheers, Anish P.S. To find out more about XSCE, you may head to schoolserver.org (ugly wiki), xsce.org
Ross Jones [LibreList] Tracking interesting events/confs? 2014-05-15 08:36:30
managed to miss the boat on DecentralizeCamp ( http://decentralizecamp.com/ ), I was wondering if tracking interesting events/conferences would be a useful thing for redecentralize.org to do? We started on the Wiki to try and list groups that were either in progress, or being born, but didn’t get very
Francis Irving [LibreList] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 09:04:56
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to, and paywalled anyway). It seems to be one app of a thing called OpenGarden, which is a meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader
Marc Laporte [LibreList] Tiki Suite - Server, Web, Desktop and Mobile suite 2014-06-26 21:53:55
Webmail, LDAP, VPN & Firewall, etc. Most of the apps are available via a point & click web interface. For special needs or things not yet available as apps, it's a GNU/Linux distro based on a "Prominent North American Enterprise Linux Vendor" so you can install from
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-07-29 09:57:54
does it do contracts? Which did I miss? Should I compare other properties too? Note that info might be wrong or I'm missing things. Please correct me. Thanks for you comments and suggestions. http://ball.askemos.org/?_v=wiki&_id=1786 /Jörg PS: If you feel like testing the payment system demo
adam.ierymenko [GG] So centralized! 2016-04-04 15:38:00
opinion for a while that there is absolutely no problem in using centralized systems to help build decentralized ones. If it speeds things up or improves your communication or whatever, use it. Every previous tech revolution used the present to build the future too. - Adam @ ZeroTier
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] heads-up - draft api for cloud-to-cloud sharing standard 2015-08-06 17:21:52
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 14:07:49
make good decisions and build lasting systems that benefit us all. It is not enough just to give people the ability to change things we also need to give people the information and data to accurately asses our problems and challenge the status quo.I am interested in changing this
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] connecting 2015-09-16 19:14:02
will.sch [LibreList] RDC 15 2015-10-15 13:25:28
make good decisions and build lasting systems that benefit us all. It is not enough just to give people the ability to change things we also need to give people the information and data to accurately asses our problems and challenge the status quo.I am interested in changing this
frabcus [GG] Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-25 11:58:00
usable enough! Would love feedback, and also ideas of decentralized apps you can *actually use* - not just prototypes, or platforms without apps, or things without installers on major platforms. Best wishes, Francis
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 10:51:26
Glad to hear things are going well, Adam! I have a pretty good usecase for ZeroTier that I'll be checking out soon, so I'm looking forward to that. I'll be sure to let you know how it goes. Who's next
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-05-02 16:18:26
semi-finalists in the Knight News Challenge. https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/feedback-review/secure-messaging-anywhere Cheers, Michael On 25/04/14 16:51, Paul Frazee wrote: > Glad to hear things are going well, Adam! I have a pretty good > usecase for ZeroTier that I'll be checking out soon, so I'm looking > forward
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 02:10:03
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to, and paywalled anyway). It seems to be one app of a thing called OpenGarden, which is a meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-02 10:33:41
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to, and paywalled anyway). It seems to be one app of a thing called OpenGarden, which is a meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader
Giovanni P [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNUnet 2014-06-02 11:37:56
much about their internal workings, but they probably want to make a Windows-friendly version. However, the RTC version seems to be the best thing that could happen to the project, and maybe it could take some community help. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Ross Jones
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 08:29:42
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to, and paywalled anyway). It seems to be one app of a thing called OpenGarden, which is a meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:35:02
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to, and paywalled anyway). It seems to be one app of a thing called OpenGarden, which is a meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:17:33
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to, and paywalled anyway). It seems to be one app of a thing called OpenGarden, which is a meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-04 10:32:38
article in the Economist this month (can't find it to link to, and paywalled anyway). It seems to be one app of a thing called OpenGarden, which is a meshnetwork thingy for iPhones: http://opengarden.com/faq#faq-general-001 The Economist article was pretty good at explaining it to the general reader
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:27:01
blanket-block-all firewall is (a) necessary and (b) effective and will shriek and scream bloody murder if you suggest dispensing with it. The thing that amazes me about it is nobody seems to think about the consequences. 1) Enterprise blocks everything at the firewall. Result: Employees come up with
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:48:55
application. I just have to figure out how to get people to try it. So far nobody. I think the "compile it from source" thing is putting people off. It's not actually that hard, basically just install Debian, paste the commands from the instructions into a terminal and edit
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-02 15:59:09
another. I skirt around it in my recent Europython talk. Given the way the Kademlia DHT algorithm I'm using works I expect several things to happen in this context: * Individual nodes prefer peers that are reliable (for example, they're always on the network and reply in a timely
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-02 12:47:06
back and think through the problem. I really want to push through the Little Centralization Paper (Tsitsiklis/Xu) a little more. To me the key thing is this: Our hypothetical "blind idiot God" must be as minimal as possible. That's why I said "provably minimal
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 11:31:57
designed to stand on their own and be > self-verifiable through cryptographic signing. Thanks for your feedback. I see quite some interesting things in Drogulus. However I'm "sort of" skeptic when I read "crypto signing". This term is too generic and too often implies
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Zooko's triangle vs. Gödel incompleteness the 2014-08-21 13:20:19
being either way? > > Best > > /Jörg > Why do you think there is any relationship whatsoever between those two things? We don't even know if Zooko's triangle is actually true or not. It has not even been formalised into precise mathematical language. There
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
their own >> and be self-verifiable through cryptographic signing. > > Thanks for your feedback. > > I see quite some interesting things in Drogulus. > > However I'm "sort of" skeptic when I read "crypto signing". This > term is too generic
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 13:51:28
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-24 22:15:06
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Zooko's triangle vs. Gödel incompleteness the 2014-08-25 10:58:38
Best >> >> /Jörg >> > Why do you think there is any relationship whatsoever between those two things? I don't have a formalization of Zooko's triangle either. Hence my challenge to do so. For me I'm seeing Zooko's triangle
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:52:36
Thought of another point about this… Decentralization doesn’t necessarily imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem by massive
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 13:20:45
work. >> >> What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. > Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization. > But suppose Google
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 12:45:35
Bitcoin – it's a bit tiring. Sure it does solve these things in some way.  It has to. It's just a well-known example. Got one question here: this seems to replicate data.  Does it protect against malicious updates too? It creates
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 09:56:09
/A876f1fe6998ca9d43f2e66c11a3f0d4a > that is, this is one wallet of it. You want to log in using "public" to > find the actual thing. It's controlled by a single (though having > 80kLOC large) source file: > http://ball.askemos.org/Aa176138e655369f8c01c3044ced70cfc > (be sure to read that in whitespace
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 03:28:23
that is, this is one wallet of it. You want to log in using "public" to >> find the actual thing. It's controlled by a single (though having >> 80kLOC large) source file: >> http://ball.askemos.org/Aa176138e655369f8c01c3044ced70cfc >> (be sure to read that
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:28:40
appreciating if you, Irina and Francis stay > majorly involved, help people along and continue to drive and do > interviews yourselves. I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely benefit the community. Everyone’s time