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Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: > I was thinking: does this almost reduce to the "hard AI problem?" Detecting which nodes are malicious might not even be computable. It's the lack of verifiable information. Unless you have some trust anchors to create a frame of reference /...\ never tell who is defecting vs. who is lying about others defecting. And as I think about it, the only way to distinguish a targeted attack from a node being offline is to establish that it is online, which requires you to have a communications path to it, which would /...\ occurring. So I guess "detect then mitigate" is out. At least without manual intervention to identify that an attack is occurring. I think you're ultimately right, and you've shifted my thinking just a little. The CAP theorem, while relevant, is probably not the central bugaboo. The central problem
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
compute trust? How do I cooperate with peers to compute trust while being sure these peers are not defecting. > > I think the problem is trying to compute trust algorithmically. In a completely decentralized network the information necessary to do that is not intrinsically available so you have /...\ things like send me a private key unencrypted to gmail. I am not making that up. No passphrase. To gmail. Hmm... Yeah, I think doing trust better is a must. Btw... Some folks responded to my post lamenting that I had given up on decentralization. That's not true /...\ marketing industry is also very sophisticated, though not quite as cutting edge as the overworld and the underworld. On a more pragmatic note, I think you have a chicken or egg problem with the idea of bootstrapping before turning the system on. History has also demonstrated that in computing release
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 11:10:40
SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's what I did! http://redecentralize.org/interviews/2013/07/15/01-ntoll-drogulus.html (them interviewing me) and... http://redecentralize.org/about/ (me interviewing them) I think this is a great idea. :-) N. On 01/12/14 10:23, Steve Phillips wrote: > /"Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in short supply /...\ that is negotiated in our societal >> surrounding context and is thus redundant to state or demand >> again. > > I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that > will land another community member in Jail. Particularly Ross > because /...\ claustrophobic.” > > I don’t think people’s adherence to the law is particularly black > and white on the whole (even ‘Judges' drive faster than the speed > limit from time to time). > >> >>> Don't do anything that
fernando.gs@gmail.com [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:17:15
redecentralize.org/interviews/2013/07/15/01-ntoll-drogulus.html > (them interviewing me) > > and... > > http://redecentralize.org/about/ (me interviewing them) > > I think this is a great idea. :-) > > N. > > On 01/12/14 10:23, Steve Phillips wrote: >> /"Everyone’s time is valuable, and often /...\ societal >>> surrounding context and is thus redundant to state or demand >>> again. >> >> I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that >> will land another community member in Jail. Particularly Ross /...\ because he’s claustrophobic.” >> >> I don’t think people’s adherence to the law is particularly black >> and white on the whole (even ‘Judges' drive faster than the speed >> limit from time to time
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:37:56
redecentralize.org/interviews/2013/07/15/01-ntoll-drogulus.html > (them interviewing me) > > and... > > http://redecentralize.org/about/ (me interviewing them) > > I think this is a great idea. :-) > > N. > > On 01/12/14 10:23, Steve Phillips wrote: >> /"Everyone’s time is valuable, and often /...\ societal >>> surrounding context and is thus redundant to state or demand >>> again. >> >> I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that >> will land another community member in Jail /...\ Particularly Ross >> because he’s claustrophobic.” >> >> I don’t think people’s adherence to the law is particularly black >> and white on the whole (even ‘Judges' drive
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:52:55
this a bit belatedly… :) On Aug 7, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Michael Rogers <michael@briarproject.org> wrote: > I don't think the Tsitsiklis/Xu paper tells us anything about > centralisation vs decentralisation in general. It gives a very > abstract model of a system where some fraction /...\ where a system takes on new properties. You see that sort of thing in those areas all the time. But I don’t think it’s a huge leap. The question Tsitsiklis/Xu were looking at was storage allocation in a distributed storage pool (or an idealized form /...\ that problem). Their research was backed by Google, who obviously is very interested in storage allocation problems. But I don’t think it’s a monstrous leap to go from storage allocation problems to bandwidth, routing, or trust. Those are all “resources
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-24 22:15:06
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-28 08:53:49
Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll@ntoll.org > <mailto:ntoll@ntoll.org>> wrote: > > On 26/07/14 23:18, David Burns wrote: >> I think the complaining lasts too long. I get depressed thinking >> about that stuff, I want to hear about what we can do. Maybe /...\ system) and the drogulus (the universal DHT). > > You say you want to hear about what we can do: > > How about thinking carefully and deeply about the problems we're > trying to solve? > > How about analysing arguments against redecentralization so we're > able /...\ strength of, and when necessary modify, our own > position[s]? > > How about deriving our technical efforts from clear and thorough > thinking rather than simply making stuff up based upon hunches? > > Shallow thinking makes shallow solutions. > > :-) > > Nicholas
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 11:05:11
video) > > > > I am looking for C++ entrepreneurs who would like to build > decentralized apps on top of it. Just think of some topic area you > love to do, then think of an app you would build (or adapt or > interface with if there /...\ sharpen your C++ skills. Think > co-operative applications from the ground up (collaborative is good, > but cooperative is better). The code will eventually be open read-only source. How's that for innovation! A long-time FOSS developer myself, i am critical but not fundamentally opposed /...\ thief would dream of going into a retail store and walking out with someone else's material property today. Nor could we think of owning a house without a lock on its front door. Nope, creative ownership to my way of thinking as a psycholinguist, is conveyed along with
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 02:23:24
That seems like something that is negotiated in our societal surrounding > context and is thus redundant to state or demand again. I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that will land another community member in Jail. Particularly Ross /...\ because he’s claustrophobic.” I don’t think people’s adherence to the law is particularly black and white on the whole (even ‘Judges' drive faster than the speed limit from time to time /...\ funds. > > Don't really apply i guess because "redecentralize" is not a party. > So all in all i think referencing the pirate party rules is of limited > value and i suggest to rather write down something more directly applicate > to the site and project
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 10:00:04
Apple's success, for example... OSX was not technically superior to Linux in any way but it offers a vastly superior user experience. I think a common and dangerous myth is that good UX is for "noobs" and "non-computer people." I've been programming since I was four /...\ steps. Good UX is often achieved through automation that involves trusting third parties or doing things the "easy" (insecure) way. But I don't think it has to be this way. In particular, I think cryptography offers many opportunities for using clever math and cryptographic transform composition to do things /...\ there. On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: Hi all! Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 19:33:08
Apple's success, for example... OSX was not technically superior to Linux in any way but it offers a vastly superior user experience. I think a common and dangerous myth is that good UX is for "noobs" and "non-computer people." I've been programming since I was four /...\ steps. Good UX is often achieved through automation that involves trusting third parties or doing things the "easy" (insecure) way. But I don't think it has to be this way. In particular, I think cryptography offers many opportunities for using clever math and cryptographic transform composition to do things /...\ there. On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: Hi all! Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:14:11
just that. If you have suggestions / comments (and I bet you do!) please include what we _should_ do, please, in addition to what you think we _should not_ do... if all you do is say what we _should not_ do, I don't see that as a viable suggestion /...\ decentralized systems beyond what many are accustomed to hearing about / using. When people hear "open source" or "p2p" they might think of Ubuntu, or Android (regarding open source OSs) or Bittorrent, or Piratebay (in terms of things that come to mind if an ordinary human /...\ just one more example of how we cannot rely upon laws, at least in my view. But it also made me think some more about this and realize that if we want decentralized protocols / solutions to spread at all, we have to do a way better job at being good
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:28:40
That seems like something that is negotiated in our societal surrounding > context and is thus redundant to state or demand again. I think in this context it is probably, “Don’t do anything that will land another community member in Jail. Particularly Ross because /...\ claustrophobic.” I don’t think people’s adherence to the law is particularly black and white on the whole (even ‘Judges' drive faster than the speed limit from time to time). > >> Don't do anything that can damage the good name /...\ funds. > > Don't really apply i guess because "redecentralize" is not a party. > So all in all i think referencing the pirate party rules is of limited > value and i suggest to rather write down something more directly applicate > to the site
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
slide deck, really well done. Lots of good ideas there. When I tell people that those things are p2p they don't understand. People think of napster or torrents as p2p and the media has made using p2p to be something thieves and drug dealers and the terrible "hackers /...\ really do believe more people would spend more time working on decentralized systems if they didn't have to worry about money. I also think you will have a more rich society as you described through the "paradox of thrift". It could be a government investment without government control. Most /...\ www.zerotier.com/misc/BorderNone2014-AdamIerymenko-DENY_ALL.pdf It goes into a bit of the history of how we got here and why everything’s become so centralized. I think economics is only part of the story. As far as funding goes, three of the projects you list are funded to some level by angel
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-27 20:49:10
comes to slogans. Dave On Saturday, July 26, 2014, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > wrote: On 26/07/14 23:18, David Burns wrote: > I think the complaining lasts too long. I get depressed thinking > about that stuff, I want to hear about what we can do. Maybe /...\ FriendSecure (the message passing system) and the drogulus (the universal DHT). You say you want to hear about what we can do: How about thinking carefully and deeply about the problems we're trying to solve? How about analysing arguments against redecentralization so we're able to check the strength /...\ when necessary modify, our own position[s]? How about deriving our technical efforts from clear and thorough thinking rather than simply making stuff up based upon hunches? Shallow thinking makes shallow solutions. :-) Nicholas. -- "You can't negotiate with reality." "You can, but it drives a really hard bargain
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
reference. Once you have some externally-sourced trust anchors we're back to heterogeneous and hybrid solutions. > On a more pragmatic note, I think you have a chicken or egg problem with the idea of bootstrapping before turning the system on. Just the opposite. Bootstrapping first *is* the ship /...\ data like their email address, PGP key, snow key, website, etc. A little bit social network + web of trust + key:value store. > I think the tech behind it is more interesting than Bitcoin itself. It reminds me of the web. Hypertext, browsers, and the new hybrid thin client model /...\ Sybils. Trust should be able to solve the problem by making available several "trusted" paths only a minority of which contain Sybils. > I think the harder thing is defending not against Sybils vs. the data itself but Sybils vs the infrastructure. Criminals, enemy governments, authoritarian governments, etc. might just
Shannon Tyler Cunningham [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 04:32:00
self-funded, why incorporate? Why does this need to be "scalable?" Why would it need major funders in the future? I don't think we can claim to desire decentralization while fitting ourselves to a top-down, rigid institutional framework and attempting to curry the money of NGOs and companies /...\ Wikipedia and expanding access (hence by support of Swartz attempting to download JSTOR with the hopes of uploading it illicitly), but I don't think we should work from the *assumption that connecting less connected populations is always beneficial to those populations. If that idea turns /...\ nation to community than vice versa under a [Western] hegemonic system of globalization) in many of its communities, including communities in Leh. I also think that neglected here is the concept that we should be preserving (cacheing, one might say) Ladakhi knowledge (and exporting it, should Ladakhis wish), rather than
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 14:38:21
have suggestions / comments (and I bet you do!) please include what we _should_ do, please, in addition to what you think we _should not_ do... if all you do is say what we _should not_ do, I don't see that as a viable suggestion... I am looking for technical /...\ want to emphasize decentralized systems beyond what many are accustomed to hearing about / using. When people hear "open source" or "p2p" they might think of Ubuntu, or Android (regarding open source OSs) or Bittorrent, or Piratebay (in terms of things that come to mind if an ordinary human is asked /...\ just one more example of how we cannot rely upon laws, at least in my view.  But it also made me think some more about this and realize that if we want decentralized protocols / solutions to spread at all, we have to do a way better
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-27 06:56:31
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 26/07/14 23:18, David Burns wrote: > I think the complaining lasts too long. I get depressed thinking > about that stuff, I want to hear about what we can do. Maybe the > talk got there eventually, but I stopped watching before /...\ FriendSecure (the message passing system) and the drogulus (the universal DHT). You say you want to hear about what we can do: How about thinking carefully and deeply about the problems we're trying to solve? How about analysing arguments against redecentralization so we're able to check the strength /...\ when necessary modify, our own position[s]? How about deriving our technical efforts from clear and thorough thinking rather than simply making stuff up based upon hunches? Shallow thinking makes shallow solutions. :-) Nicholas. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT1JSJAAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6uAIH/24PoJmJcz5IPclkIixVpAMV plyx8WSHXG1TFRdvBdhMwU6RWF402fFbllKjfoxdVczOhc7tYJbp+eOZykP9mU/K
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:00:02
somehow 'defeat' (whatever that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s). I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through /...\ like and am trying to migrate completely away from) characterizes the US government as an "advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat /...\ first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over the opponent." - Odagiri Sekiei (Muji-Shin-Jen ryū) Nor do I think that technological solutions are everything. But that's what
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 16:27:31
whatever that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through /...\ particularly like and am trying to migrate completely away from) characterizes the US government as an "advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive /...\ first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over the opponent." - Odagiri Sekiei (Muji-Shin-Jen ryū)  Nor do I think that technological solutions are everything. But that
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:39:30
defeat' (whatever that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through /...\ particularly like and am trying to migrate completely away from) characterizes the US government as an "advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive /...\ first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over the opponent." - Odagiri Sekiei (Muji-Shin-Jen ryū)  Nor do I think that technological solutions are everything. But that's what
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:47:26
whatever that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through /...\ particularly like and am trying to migrate completely away from) characterizes the US government as an "advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive /...\ first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over the opponent." - Odagiri Sekiei (Muji-Shin-Jen ryū)  Nor do I think that technological solutions are everything. But that
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:50:40
defeat' (whatever that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through /...\ particularly like and am trying to migrate completely away from) characterizes the US government as an "advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive /...\ first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over the opponent." - Odagiri Sekiei (Muji-Shin-Jen ryū)  Nor do I think that technological solutions are everything. But that's what
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:08:18
wrote: I was very happy when I first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your "I want to believe" post was brilliant, but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply having addressability is not sufficient to address. Security. Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular /...\ times greater than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems which achive this within specific contexts, but also, because humans can already do this naturally /...\ imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. > > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem by massive players by writing inequality into the network topology itself. Even
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 19:16:39
whatever that means) the attempts of a focused, persistent group of (governmental / corporation-state / corporate / random malicious individual) actor(s).  I do think that migrating to open source (and free) solutions will help remove funding from such entities and will encourage a more healthy and vibrant society through /...\ particularly like and am trying to migrate completely away from) characterizes the US government as an "advanced persistent threat." Regardless of how you think of (or personally define) meshnets, or Microsoft, or the US or any government a.k.a. corporation-state, the notion of a "advanced persistent threat" is inclusive /...\ first thing required is to discard any desire to turn swordsmanship into... a matter of mere accomplishment. (...) (O)ne is not to think of achieving victory over the opponent." - Odagiri Sekiei (Muji-Shin-Jen ryū)  Nor do I think that technological solutions are everything. But that
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
also think it’s a toy version of an even larger problem: how to devolve power in general. > Human societies are networks too. I think this work has po litical and philosophical implications inasmuch as the same information theoretic principles that govern computer networks might also /...\ numbers station” that continuously broadcasts the current mesh net consensus for trust anchor points and high-availa bility nodes. I think we have two different problems here and it makes sense to distinguish them. The first problem is the key distribution problem, which is an authentication problem /...\ becomes difficult (game theory territory). That's probably true in an "all must agree on what protocol to use" sense but I don't think dynamic global consensus is actually required in general. The things like that which everyone has to agree about are relatively static. Meanwhile if Alice
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-15 14:37:29
SHA1 Hi Jer, Hello Holger, Greetings Redecentralizers, Apologies for the tardy response time on my part, I wanted to do you the courtesy of thinking about the content of this email rather than simply dashing something off. Of course, with a young family, I have a chronic case /...\ simple P2P chat application. If such projects are to get traction with developers they need to be very simple to use. Sometimes I think what I'm doing is a bad case of NIH - it's only been just over a year of work (in fits and starts /...\ part yet telehash, mainline and other DHT implementations have been around for years. Nevertheless, I console myself that I've been thinking about this stuff since my time at Fluidinfo, I'm have far too much fun and learning a lot in the meantime and it's good to imagine
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 08:45:25
propose we abandon the notion that a all distributed system should act like one system. Probably the only reason we think so is because corporations really care about this notion. But a free society?<br> <br> There are four modes of communication we do, public/anonymous, private/anonymous /...\ private/known. Now the question is which modes of communication should act like many systems and which should act like one system. Here is my thinking:<br> <br> O = One System<br> D = distributed /...\ suspect it would not have been possible if Adam build a completely decentralized system. Since he has some control points, it appears some capitalist thinks there is an upside. I am all for taking money out of capitalists if it means more decentralized systems get investment like ZeroTier
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 20:23:47
trust? How do I compute trust? How do I cooperate with peers to compute trust while being sure these peers are not defecting. I think the problem is trying to compute trust algorithmically. In a completely decentralized network the information necessary to do that is not intrinsically available /...\ begins, and is probably the only efficient way to recover if it *isn't* done before the attack begins. > This also makes me think more and more about hybrid systems where you've got multiple types of systems -- including both centralized and decentralized -- that back each other to create /...\ message relay or lookup database), everything requiring that function can carry on working. > Yep. It's one of the reasons I don't think Bitcoin in its present form is necessarily *that* much more robust than central banks and other financial entities. I tend to think that Bitcoin
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
ZeroTierOne, and also thought your >> >> "I want to believe" post was brilliant, >> >> but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply >> >> having addressability is not sufficient to address /...\ possible to >> >> create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? >> >> >> >> I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems >> >> which achive this within specific >> >> contexts /...\ just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. >> >> > >> >> > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern >> >> > pretty >> >> > much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem by massive
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 13:21:29
steps. Good UX is often achieved through automation that involves trusting third parties or doing things the "easy" (insecure) way. But I don't think it has to be this way. In particular, I think cryptography offers many opportunities for using clever math and cryptographic transform composition to do things /...\ Eric On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: Hi all! Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today /...\ also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some who need good projects to help/start but don't know about this movement. We are going to try and interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something tangible
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:31:33
infosec profession and start over. On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:27 PM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: > Unfortunately the cargo cultists think the blanket-block-all firewall is (a) necessary and (b) effective and will shriek and scream bloody murder if you suggest dispensing with /...\ thing that amazes me about it is nobody seems to think about the consequences. 1) Enterprise blocks everything at the firewall. Result: Employees come up with hacky work-arounds that impair security just so they can do their jobs, like using some unauthenticated proxy or VPN server run by some /...\ Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I sort of hate the infosec profession... it's full of cargo cult thinking by people who don't *really* understand the mechanics of what's going on on a network. I worked infosec for a bit and never saw one single real world
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 14:44:40
very happy when I first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your "I want to believe" post was brilliant, but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply having addressability is not sufficient to address. Security. Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular distributed /...\ times greater than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems which achive this within specific contexts, but also, because humans can already do this naturally /...\ imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. > > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem by massive players by writing inequality into the network topology itself. Even
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
very happy when I first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your >> "I want to believe" post was brilliant, >> but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply >> having addressability is not sufficient to address. >> >> Security /...\ system was created. Would it be possible to >> create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? >> >> I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems >> which achive this within specific >> contexts, but also, because humans /...\ size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. >> > >> > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty >> > much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem by massive players by >> > writing inequality into the network
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
abominations. I don't, however, feel that information is free, even if it is built on top of - and it all is I think we agree - the shoulders of our forebears. I submit, though, that there is such a thing as real contribution to knowledge that is not combinatorial /...\ feel then that not-physical property is an oxymoron? /RT2> > my way of thinking as a psycholinguist > I don't have the pleasure to know the field of psycholinguistics, but I certainly can understand how language can be used for psychological framing. The narratives bring forth world /...\ wish. It's all online. RT2> I understand perfectly the need to secure one's own way of living. But I don't think that requires artificially restricting other people's initiative to do so. This is a colonialist vision, the still dominant vision of out times. Hegemony
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
when I first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your >> "I want to believe" post was brilliant, >> but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply >> having addressability is not sufficient to address. >> >> Security /...\ system was created. Would it be possible to >> create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? >> >> I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems >> which achive this within specific >> contexts, but also, because humans /...\ size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. >> > >> > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty >> > much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem by massive players by >> > writing inequality into the network
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:27:01
Unfortunately the cargo cultists think the blanket-block-all firewall is (a) necessary and (b) effective and will shriek and scream bloody murder if you suggest dispensing with it. The thing that amazes me about it is nobody seems to think about the consequences. 1) Enterprise blocks everything /...\ Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I sort of hate the infosec profession... it's full of cargo cult thinking by people who don't *really* understand the mechanics of what's going on on a network. I worked infosec for a bit and never saw one single real world /...\ That threat could also be mitigated by smart firewalls that can respond selectively to attacks without just blanket-blocking everything. Unfortunately the cargo cultists think the blanket-block-all firewall is (a) necessary and (b) effective and will shriek and scream bloody murder if you suggest dispensing with
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
wrote: I was very happy when I first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your "I want to believe" post was brilliant, but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply having addressability is not sufficient to address. Security. Building truly p2p systems must deal with not only regular /...\ times greater than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems which achive this within specific contexts, but also, because humans can already do this naturally /...\ imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. > > That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem by massive players by writing inequality into the network topology itself. Even
Peter Rushforth [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-08-03 10:24:00
think maps don't get enough recognition as a centralization story, but when you think about it, the objective of many map providers is centralization. We in the Maps for HTML Community Group have been working on fixing by pushing maps as a standard for integration with HTML /...\ have developed what we think is a "Try" level offering.  Hopefully if people try it out they might consider joining our group (strength in numbers) and commenting on any issues they find.  The objective is to become a "Share" level offering :-). A demo page is here
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Types of decentralization 2014-01-14 10:25:17
been doing a bit of thinking about what "decentralization" means, and JC's post about antifragility (IMHO a related concept) has prodded me into sharing a few thoughts. I think there are three types of decentralization. They're not mutually exclusive, but in every case there are systems /...\ necessarily be politically or physically decentralized. (3) A meshnet would probably be the ultimate example here, but for an exclusive one I think Google's data center network would qualify. Google's systems are very physically redundant, so that would be an example of a system that is physically
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-15 11:58:55
related reading on our swarm wiki? We could spit up basic background idea notes (where the new yorker article does a good job I think) and more in depth pieces (I bet Francis & others will have a few suggestions here)! On 13 December 2013 23:15, Francis Irving /...\ francis@flourish.org > wrote: I don't know of any *definitive* articles. I think it's a topic that keeps coming back... For example, this series by Danny O'Brien in 2008 http://www.oblomovka.com/wp/category/living-on-the-edge/ Or this on CNN nearly two years ago. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/tech/web/vice-free-the-network/index.html I think a *definitive* article
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 16:36:16
stay in touch as things develop. Regardless of our varying definitions of free and their importance with respect to the society's future, I think the world would be a better place if a lot more people tossed ideas (and yes, implementations) w/r/t these subjects around. Sorry about /...\ economy: it's a voluntary contribution (when you have an army of lawyers and accountants that can play around the common rule). If you think your software requires barriers to access, you're free to apply appropriate licensing, but you cannot claim you're part of the free software movement /...\ back to work. Maybe you would like to > examine the code to see how I did it? ;-) /RT2> > I think that software should be modular, and not "interlocked". It makes sense within a system, like the Linux kernel. But when software become dependent on other
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:04:39
Perhaps this could also play some role in the ecosystem. I'll try to write something up. >> I've been thinking about that too, but I think it's important to take a step back and think through the problem. I really want to push through the Little
juh [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 22:25:00
only a list of reasons why services gets centralized but also a list of questions what decentralize service to use instead. I think it would be futile to consent about a decentralize service only on this list. I think all of us would like to try out patchwork but would /...\ move from googlegroups (which I really don't like to use) to $decentralizedservice? I think the biggest problem for now is to decide which service to choose instead of a mainstream one. A network that would greatly support a working group is Retroshare. I tried it but I never felt
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-02 12:47:06
anyone with the key. Perhaps this could also play some role in the ecosystem. I'll try to write something up. I've been thinking about that too, but I think it's important to take a step back and think through the problem. I really want to push through
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 10:45:39
with the key. Perhaps this could also play some role in the ecosystem. I'll try to write something up. > I've been thinking about that too, but I think it's important to take a step back and think through the problem. I really want to push through
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-09-12 17:14:40
tackled or the problem space can be > redefined around them. I totally agree. Perhaps Tor would be an interesting example to think about, because it's decentralised at the level of resource allocation but centralised at the level of trust. The Tor directory authorities are the closest thing /...\ think of to a Blind Idiot God: they act as a trust anchor for the system while remaining deliberately ignorant about who uses it and how. They know even less than ZeroTier's supernodes, because they're not aware of individual flows and they don't relay any traffic themselves /...\ most underestimated obstacle for P2P systems. I'm glad you're tackling it head-on. > Good point about metadata privacy, but I think it’s ultimately not > a factor here. Or rather… it *is* a factor here, but we have to > ignore
Tristan Nitot [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 15:33:59
hope that there will be some discussions about the question: What do > we really want to do? > > I think that the centralization of the net is a social issue. I think it's a commercial issue. Sharing, at least with everyone, is not complicated using /...\ answers. But we should listen to our inner voice. What do we want? > >> Please share the conference page with people you think might want to go! > Yeah, let's make some noise. > > juh -- Tristan Nitot - @nitot - https://cozy.io/ Cozy Cloud - Chief Product Officer (C3PO
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:53:52
works. But we haven't nailed certfile-distribution at scale yet, so that's why I call it an unsolved problem. I think the web-of-trust is inevitably what we'll need, I think so too.  Actually I think a simple registry in an Askemos compatible system would
Robert Tischer [LibreList] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 07:43:26
Hiveware for Word video)   I am looking for C++ entrepreneurs who would like to build decentralized apps on top of it. Just think of some topic area you love to do, then think of an app you would build (or adapt or interface with if there /...\ sharpen your C++ skills. Think co-operative applications from the ground up (collaborative is good, but cooperative is better). The code will eventually be open read-only source. How’s that for innovation!   Hope to get an email from you soon.   Robert Tischer Hiveware
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
correspondents used at the time and acoustic couplers. Internet was not a big thing in UK let alone Africa then.  I've been thinking about how the vision was not really accomplished after the World Bank and others took it over and what to do about that. One observation /...\ institutions can't think let alone act in decentralised or distributed ways.  So even a bullet proof decentralised service tends to become centralised to suit the organisational and cultural expectations of such organisations. There are some legalistic liability excuses that escalate this trend of course. The web also /...\ Will (one of the many volunteers helping to organise RDC 15). Firstly I'm massively excited about this weekend's conference. I think we are going to have a lot of fun and there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-31 17:54:38
same BitTorrent protocol, as much as possible. WebRTC does not allow you to open arbitrary TCP or UDP sockets, which is what I think you're asking. Existing torrent clients will need updating -- at least, that is the plan. Feross ✩  blog /...\ will existing BitTorrent clients need updating? Francis On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 03:31:00PM -0800, Feross Aboukhadijeh wrote: > Hey everyone! I think Redecentralize is awesome – glad that you're > spreading these important ideas to a broader audience. I actually had a > slide /...\ swathes of users who > were previously intimidated, confused, or unwilling to install a program on > their machine to participate. > > I think this is one of the most exciting uses of WebRTC to date, and I hope > you'll check out the project at http://webtorrent.io
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
used at the time and acoustic couplers. Internet was not a big thing in UK let alone Africa then.    I've been thinking about how the vision was not really accomplished after the World Bank and others took it over and what to do about that. One observation /...\ institutions can't think let alone act in decentralised or distributed ways.  So even a bullet proof decentralised service tends to become centralised to suit the organisational and cultural expectations of such organisations. There are some legalistic liability excuses that escalate this trend of course.   The web also /...\ Will (one of the many volunteers helping to organise RDC 15). Firstly I'm massively excited about this weekend's conference. I think we are going to have a lot of fun and there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-14 22:14:43
related reading on our swarm wiki? We could spit up basic background idea notes (where the new yorker article does a good job I think) and more in depth pieces (I bet Francis & others will have a few suggestions here)! On 13 December 2013 23:15, Francis Irving /...\ francis@flourish.org > wrote: I don't know of any *definitive* articles. I think it's a topic that keeps coming back... For example, this series by Danny O'Brien in 2008 http://www.oblomovka.com/wp/category/living-on-the-edge/ Or this on CNN nearly two years ago. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/tech/web/vice-free-the-network/index.html I think a *definitive* article
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization. But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: 1. Ownership: company control /...\ earned via ads, see above) to invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to build new services (GOTO 1) IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology and the raw IP protocol. However I do agree with you, Adam, that NATs are making /...\ Reachability, bandwidth, scalability, all these are a lot easier to solve if IP could… umm… *actually be used*. > > Think about all the stuff we already have that is built upon IP, and how all if it could be used in a less centralized peer to peer
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 22:46:58
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 13:51:28
think there’s anything wrong with plugging a project. Part of what this group is about is discussing various work going on in this area. I’ve been following Ethereum for a long time, and I’m really fascinated /...\ step out beyond just currency for the block chain and into the realm of being able to truly define autonomous organizations, etc. I think “cryptocorps
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:06:32
akin to say that a fence, a kitchen, and a book belong to the same "physical property". > my way of thinking as a psycholinguist > I don't have the pleasure to know the field of psycholinguistics, but I certainly can understand how language can be used /...\ vision all the complexity of local situations. I understand perfectly the need to secure one's own way of living. But I don't think that requires artificially restricting other people's initiative to do so. This is a colonialist vision, the still dominant vision of out times. Hegemony /...\ objects, and certainly something must be done to enable content (and software) producers to receive fair payment for their work. But I don't think limiting availability is a satisfactory way of doing so. > "Why do I need to send data through a server?" Doesn
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
grey area, but I really don't think of it as a VPN. A VPN is typically used to connect two networks together, or to allow a disconnected client to incorporate itself into a network. ZT1's networks are first-order entities. Think of it as being like the difference /...\ actually view operational decentralization as being more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: It's a bit of a grey area, but I really don't think of it as a VPN. A VPN is typically used to connect two networks together, or to allow a disconnected client to incorporate itself into a network. ZT1's networks /...\ first-order entities. Think of it as being like the difference between a VNC client and a virtual machine. Both allow you to use a different operating system on your local desktop. The first is a client that connects you to one running somewhere else, while the second actually runs /...\ actually view operational decentralization as being more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 12:49:04
video) > > > > I am looking for C++ entrepreneurs who would like to build decentralized > apps on top of it. Just think of some topic area you love to do, then think > of an app you would build (or adapt or interface with if there /...\ sharpen your C++ skills. Think co-operative applications from the ground > up (collaborative is good, but cooperative is better). The code will > eventually be open read-only source. How's that for innovation! A long-time FOSS developer myself, i am critical but not fundamentally opposed
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:31:53
www.zerotier.com/misc/BorderNone2014-AdamIerymenko-DENY_ALL.pdf It goes into a bit of the history of how we got here and why everything’s become so centralized. I think economics is only part of the story. As far as funding goes, three of the projects you list are funded to some level by angel /...\ venture capital: BitTorrent, ZeroTier, and Sandstorm. I think OwnCloud, which you didn’t mention, is funded too. Some capital is going into this stuff, but it’s a very tiny trickle compared to what gets invested in centralized systems. That’s not because of any ideological agenda /...\ thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/ 2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the- cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:21:49
www.zerotier.com/misc/BorderNone2014-AdamIerymenko-DENY_ALL.pdf It goes into a bit of the history of how we got here and why everything’s become so centralized. I think economics is only part of the story. As far as funding goes, three of the projects you list are funded to some level by angel /...\ venture capital: BitTorrent, ZeroTier, and Sandstorm. I think OwnCloud, which you didn’t mention, is funded too. Some capital is going into this stuff, but it’s a very tiny trickle compared to what gets invested in centralized systems. That’s not because of any ideological agenda /...\ thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/ 2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the- cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:55:06
Moxie doesn't think much of Telegram: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/ -- Eric On Feb 28, 2014 9:48 AM, "Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Not to drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about Telegram's travails? I'm interested. There's the potential /...\ Ximin Luo" < infinity0@pwned.gg > wrote: On 27/02/14 20:20, Francis Irving wrote: > Hi all! > > Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. > > As I describe /...\ Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some who need good projects to help/start but don't know about this movement. > > We are going to try and interview more people with that kind of background, who have
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 17:53:18
engineering viewpoint lets you see through the bullshit more effectively. X On 28/02/14 14:55, Eric Mill wrote: > I see Moxie doesn't think much of Telegram: > > http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/ > > -- Eric > > On Feb 28, 2014 9:48 AM, "Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com /...\ Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. >         > >         > As I describe /...\ Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some who need good projects to help/start but don't know about this movement
juh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 09:13:41
cannot come. Really bad. I hope that there will be some discussions about the question: What do we really want to do? I think that the centralization of the net is a social issue. We are social animals. We go into the most crowded pub of the town just /...\ have no answers. But we should listen to our inner voice. What do we want? > Please share the conference page with people you think might want to go! Yeah, let's make some noise
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-09 11:33:06
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-08 15:46:06
building the public face of WebTorrent. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Feross Aboukhadijeh < feross@feross.org > wrote: Hey everyone! I think Redecentralize is awesome – glad that you're spreading these important ideas to a broader audience. I actually had a slide about Redecentralize /...\ accessible to new swathes of users who were previously intimidated, confused, or unwilling to install a program on their machine to participate. I think this is one of the most exciting uses of WebRTC to date, and I hope you'll check out the project at http://webtorrent.io . Nothing works
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-13 23:15:34
know of any *definitive* articles. I think it's a topic that keeps coming back... For example, this series by Danny O'Brien in 2008 http://www.oblomovka.com/wp/category/living-on-the-edge/ Or this on CNN nearly two years ago. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/tech/web/vice-free-the-network/index.html I think a *definitive* article would be a much clearer history
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-30 12:09:19
will existing BitTorrent clients need updating? Francis On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 03:31:00PM -0800, Feross Aboukhadijeh wrote: > Hey everyone! I think Redecentralize is awesome – glad that you're > spreading these important ideas to a broader audience. I actually had a > slide about Redecentralize /...\ swathes of users who > were previously intimidated, confused, or unwilling to install a program on > their machine to participate. > > I think this is one of the most exciting uses of WebRTC to date, and I hope > you'll check out the project at http://webtorrent.io
Ira [Email] There's more to decentralisation 2018-09-25 13:51:19.9682
recently tried to condense the last 5+ years of thinking on decentralisation into a short blog post talking about: There’s more to decentralisation than blockchain Being ‘decentralised' isn’t good in and of itself, technology can also be used /...\ evil so we should think about the ends not just the means For me, this means focusing on decentralising power by distributing control, knowledge and capability to the network Also considering what values we can enshrine through the use of technology - such as promoting agency, privacy, collaboration and choice
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:45:20
right. I need to see how the alternatives perform in real use-cases. I think it'll be difficult to make feature parity with HTTP from greenfield projects, which is why I'm skeptical. For instance, GNUnet's protocol is restricted to file-sharing, while HTTP can do file sharing /...\ Looked up that HN thread on OkTurtles to see where the Namecoin conversation landed. Found an interesting idea at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6964090 I think it's interesting to look at what existing entities do when faced with DNS MITM and takedowns. The various torrent searchers and anti-censorship entities just
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 19:48:09
pretty good at that) should find a way to make it useful to them. But closed is helpful as a short term club. I think you can draw a pretty clear line between Google being *forced* to take a short term view -- as they watch indexable content disappear into closed /...\ looking at the stack (in those days, Gnutella, WorldOS, FreeNet) and trying to work out what the structure should be, just like I often think about now. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages/26 e.g. a latish post in 2007, someone asking "why hasn't any of this worked, it's all got more
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 20:38:25
Regarding what's different, privacy may be more commercially attractive on its own. WebRTC is a decent new piece of tech, and I think browsers are getting thicker. As for funding, don't know, but be sure to tell me when an idea comes /...\ wrote: > I agree with Jer. > > We are seeing P2P tech turn up in unexpected places > https://blog.twitter.com/2010/murder-fast-datacenter-code-deploys-using-bittorrent I think that’s an unfortunate example: that’s a decentralised technology used for better centralisation (where a centralised service is large
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:34:23
Aotearoa New Zealand, Rich On 28 February 2014 09:20, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: Hi all! Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article /...\ today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some who need good projects to help/start but don't know about this movement. We are going to try and interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Blog lisbon? 2014-08-06 10:05:20
since 6 months now, and I'd like to do a blog > (that might be translated in portuguese also) > > I was thinking to join your effort, and maybe publish from your platform? > > What do you think? Would it make sense? > > The idea would
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
observing whether the people who are > on the ground, who are part of that community have within themselves > (mostly motivation) to think this through. I *do* believe this is > necessary in learning environments like schools where we deploy servers. > > So, what I am looking /...\ often comes > at the expense of other ways to conceive life that do not assume an > informational world. > > I do think there are homomorphisms in the world, but I do not believe in > an informational world that can be reduced to ones and zeros
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-02-03 10:52:25
start putting out feelers in the Austin area. Should we put together a meetup resource for redecentralize? I think people would respond with more interest if they knew the .org was behind it. We have the Distributed Systems Enthusiasts (on meetup.com ) for a near approximation in the mean-time /...\ wrote: > >>> Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I > >>> think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or > >>> charging for tickets to spend on foods/beer
Jonny Leroy [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-27 13:02:02
jonny On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: Hi all! Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article /...\ today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some who need good projects to help/start but don't know about this movement. We are going to try and interview more people with that kind of background, who have done at least something
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 11:50:48
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:48:38
Ximin Luo" < infinity0@pwned.gg > wrote: On 27/02/14 20:20, Francis Irving wrote: > Hi all! > > Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. > > As I describe /...\ Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some who need good projects to help/start but don't know about this movement. > > We are going to try and interview more people with that kind of background, who have
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 15:20:26
27/02/14 20:20, Francis Irving wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > > > Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass > > adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in > > decentralization projects /...\ describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are > > quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some who need > > good projects to help/start but don't know about this movement. > > > > > > We are going
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 12:31:08
27/02/14 20:20, Francis Irving wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > > > Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass > > adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in > > decentralization projects /...\ describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are > > quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some who need > > good projects to help/start but don't know about this movement. > > > > > > We are going
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-01 10:22:03
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 15:33:14
economy: it's a voluntary contribution (when you have an army of lawyers and accountants that can play around the common rule). If you think your software requires barriers to access, you're free to apply appropriate licensing, but you cannot claim you're part of the free software movement /...\ back to work. Maybe you would like to > examine the code to see how I did it? ;-) /RT2> > I think that software should be modular, and not "interlocked". It makes sense within a system, like the Linux kernel. But when software become dependent on other
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 21:02:50
more on observing whether the people who are on the ground, who are part of that community have within themselves (mostly motivation) to think this through. I *do* believe this is necessary in learning environments like schools where we deploy servers. So, what I am looking to answer /...\ often comes at the expense of other ways to conceive life that do not assume an informational world. I do think there are homomorphisms in the world, but I do not believe in an informational world that can be reduced to ones and zeros.  If you come
Francis Irving [LibreList] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-27 20:20:26
Having interviewed many geeks, I now think the limiting factor in mass adoption is involvement of more design and user experience people in decentralization projects. As I describe in the Gigaom article today, I also think designers are quite interested in this (post Snowden), and likely there are some
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Blog lisbon? 2014-08-06 08:33:15
this meetup [0] since 6 months now, and I'd like to do a blog (that might be translated in portuguese also) I was thinking to join your effort, and maybe publish from your platform? What do you think? Would it make sense? The idea would
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-08 15:31:00
everyone! I think Redecentralize is awesome – glad that you're spreading these important ideas to a broader audience. I actually had a slide about Redecentralize in my talk about WebRTC Data Black Magic  at RealtimeConf! I wanted to share a bit about my new project /...\ accessible to new swathes of users who were previously intimidated, confused, or unwilling to install a program on their machine to participate. I think this is one of the most exciting uses of WebRTC to date, and I hope you'll check out the project at http://webtorrent.io . Nothing works
Francis Irving [LibreList] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-24 21:52:52
makes sense, and some groups are organising team meetups around the same time.   Please share the conference page with people you think might want to go!   And sign up if you think you'll want tickets.   Francis
Anne Radl [GG] New grant fund for decentralising tech! 2018-07-03 05:31:00
tech innovation that does just that - please considering applying to Social Tech Trust's new grant fund - Tech to Unite Us! We've been thinking about the affordances of tech and equality, and we think decentralising digital technologies have a huge role to play in reimaging systems, services
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
observing whether the people who are > on the ground, who are part of that community have within themselves > (mostly motivation) to think this through. I *do* believe this is > necessary in learning environments like schools where we deploy servers. > > So, what I am looking /...\ often comes > at the expense of other ways to conceive life that do not assume an > informational world. > > I do think there are homomorphisms in the world, but I do not believe in > an informational world that can be reduced to ones and zeros
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:02:36
sort of hate the infosec profession... it's full of cargo cult thinking by people who don't *really* understand the mechanics of what's going on on a network. I worked infosec for a bit and never saw one single real world threat that the firewall really did anything /...\ That threat could also be mitigated by smart firewalls that can respond selectively to attacks without just blanket-blocking everything. Unfortunately the cargo cultists think the blanket-block-all firewall is (a) necessary and (b) effective and will shriek and scream bloody murder if you suggest dispensing with
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-07 17:32:09
with the difficulty of building decentralised systems that are usable, efficient and secure. But I have some doubts about your argument. I don't think the Tsitsiklis/Xu paper tells us anything about centralisation vs decentralisation in general. It gives a very abstract model of a system where some fraction /...\ Lovecraft. I'm not denying that a touch of centralisation could help to make ZeroTier more usable, efficient and secure - I just don't think this paper does anything to support that contention. You mention split-brain and internet weather as problems ZeroTier should cope with
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-26 12:18:20
think the complaining lasts too long. I get depressed thinking about that stuff, I want to hear about what we can do. Maybe the talk got there eventually, but I stopped watching before then. Maybe I'll try again later and skip past the complaining. Dave On Friday, July
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 15:58:16
discovered tomorrow. Everything I write assumes the current state of the art, so obviously any big discoveries could change the whole picture. Personally I think a discovery in an area like graph theory that let us build *completely* center-less networks with the same performance, efficiency, and security characteristics /...\ below the tolerable threshold, bad guys win. How do you plan to defend against this attack? Yeah, that's basically it. All my current thinking is around the idea of minimal central hubs that allow us to have the benefits of central points without the downsides. I'm working
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
people > who are > > on the ground, who are part of that community have within themselves > > (mostly motivation) to think this through. I *do* believe this is > > necessary in learning environments like schools where we deploy > servers. > > > > So, what /...\ expense of other ways to conceive life that do not assume an > > informational world. > > > > I do think there are homomorphisms in the world, but I do not > believe in > > an informational world that can be reduced to ones and zeros
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:35:23
certainly one important aspect of decentralization. > But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather > centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: > > 1. Ownership: company control /...\ above) to > invest into polishing the software and the experience, allowing it to > build new services (GOTO 1) > > IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology > and the raw IP protocol. However I do agree with you, Adam, that NATs
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:52:36
necessarily imply that all peers are of equal size, just that all things have equal opportunity to be peers. That being said, I think the current network deployment pattern pretty much guarantees the domination of the ecosystem by massive players by writing inequality into the network topology itself. Even /...\ certainly one important aspect of decentralization. > But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather > centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 13:20:45
certainly one important aspect of decentralization. > But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather > centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: > > 1. Ownership: company control /...\ currency>, feed dozens of developers for a couple of years… and still eventually starve for being not profitable. > IOW I think there is more to decentralization than the network topology > and the raw IP protocol. However I do agree with you, Adam, that NATs
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
very happy when I first saw ZeroTierOne, and also thought your > "I want to believe" post was brilliant, > but I think there is another challenge to decentralization that simply > having addressability is not sufficient to address. > > Security. > > Building truly p2p systems /...\ when the property system was created. Would it be possible to > create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? > > I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems > which achive this within specific > contexts, but also, because humans can already
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 03:28:23
Jorg, Ah I had not heard of BALL, I have been reading through the documents at the "whilepaper" link. I think I can vaguely see where you are doing with this, but I would like to understand how your replication algorithm works. Do have have a link /...\ make both replication and verification conceptually simple. It is not necessary to trust any devices you do not have in your physical control. I think this will be enough to implement "web 2.0" style "social" applications such as twitter. Maybe not as convenient as twitter
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-09 11:30:40
heard of BALL, I have been reading through the documents > at the "whilepaper" link. > I think I can vaguely see where you are doing with this, but I would > like to understand how your replication > algorithm works. Do have have a link /...\ your physical control. Same here. Up to not trusting any single device outside your trust set with the update process. > > I think this will be enough to implement "web 2.0" style "social" > applications such as twitter. > Maybe not as convenient as twitter
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 10:06:29
Thanks! I am trying to fight the meme war and I think techno babbly phrases like Cloud Computing need a distributed counterpart :). I want people say "cloud computing? that's like soooo 2014". Max Jeremie Miller wrote: > Max, this is *great*, I love "grass computing /...\ thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. > > https://mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ > > Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. > I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political > issues of > decentralized software and I hope some
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 09:11:15
warfare" On 4 Apr 2015 04:07, "mempko" < mempko@gmail.com > wrote: Jer, Thanks! I am trying to fight the meme war and I think techno babbly phrases like Cloud Computing need a distributed counterpart :). I want people say "cloud computing? that's like soooo 2014". Max Jeremie Miller wrote /...\ mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ > >     Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. >     I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political >     issues
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 12:26:02
more accurate even 1984? Christian mempko wrote: > Jer, > > Thanks! I am trying to fight the meme war and I think techno babbly > phrases like Cloud Computing need a distributed counterpart :). I want > people say "cloud computing? that's like soooo /...\ guys/gals would like this post I made. >> >> https://mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ >> >> Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. >> I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political >> issues of >> decentralized software
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 00:56:09
That is  exciting!  Where are you thinking the conference would take place? --Steve On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently /...\ thinking October time. It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the evolving conversation about the possibilities and concerns of decentralization. My hope is to get a group of people
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello from WebTorrent 2013-12-08 18:36:58
building the public face of WebTorrent. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Feross Aboukhadijeh < feross@feross.org > wrote: Hey everyone! I think Redecentralize is awesome – glad that you're spreading these important ideas to a broader audience. I actually had a slide about Redecentralize /...\ accessible to new swathes of users who were previously intimidated, confused, or unwilling to install a program on their machine to participate. I think this is one of the most exciting uses of WebRTC to date, and I hope you'll check out the project at http://webtorrent.io . Nothing works
Julien Rabier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference, 17-18 Oct, London 2015-08-25 15:49:52
makes sense, and some > groups are organising team meetups around the same time. > > Please share the conference page with people you think might want to go! > > And sign up if you think you'll want tickets. This is great news. I'll be there with
Julien Rabier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 14:06:09
sept. - 08:59, hellekin a écrit : > How is "redecentralization" compatible with proprietary software at all? It is not. I think this is the first message of this kind received on the list. > In the interview, I had understood that the project was about "open /...\ only source", there's as huge a gap > as between vegan food and McDonald's. Am I on the wrong list? I think you're in the right place, people trying to sell proprietary stuff are not. Welcome here hellekin ! taziden
will.sch [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Webcasts / Periscope 2015-10-16 15:17:45
Great Idea. We do have someone who will be live streaming all the main talks although I think we most likely will not have enough resources to stream some of the unconference sessions. We'll put the links up on the website for tomorrow for people to tune /...\ have 3 rooms and also some free spaces which will have various things going on. If people want use Periscope as well I think it's a good idea. Will -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [redecentralize] Webcasts / Periscope Time (UTC): October 16 2015 4:21 pm From: joakimstai@gmail.com To: redecentralize@librelist.com
Pierre Ozoux [GG] Re: Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-08 01:56:00
starting my crypto investigations, but these can be implemented on top of ethereum, right? But yes, I think Steven is right also, this can also be on top of IPFS. What I can see from eth is that the data storage might be IPFS. I think it is really exciting
Mikko Kotila [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 20:47:00
intervention / improvement; economy, education and health. A graphic below to highlight an example of how.  I like the idea of thinking about culture in this context as well. I'm worried about the cultural apect more than others when I'm in Ladakh, but the fact /...\ thought about it in the formal context says a lot. As you can see, it is entirely missing from my graphic.  I think what we tend to do is come from the west, go to a place like India, and not realize that while the people
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] connecting 2015-09-16 19:14:02
Anish Mangal [LibreList] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 15:55:01
mozilla web-literacy website [4] they seem to have a logical progression structure from Explore -> Build -> Connect. I don't think that is correct. Regardless of my actions or whatever the XSCE project does, more people are going to go online through Facebook's internet.org , or google balloons
will.sch [LibreList] RDC 15 2015-10-15 13:25:28
Will (one of the many volunteers helping to organise RDC 15). Firstly I'm massively excited about this weekend's conference. I think we are going to have a lot of fun and there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] RDC 15 Session idea: The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ? 2015-10-16 09:14:48
Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ?  There are quiet a few commentaries / blog posts / news articles,  which think that the CJEU ruling will have an unknown but potential significant impact  on the prevailing business models based on data collection to the detriment
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-17 08:09:46
ownCloud Conf is over I'm trying to wrap things up. There was > one > > announcement I think you folk find interesting: https://owncloud.org/c > onnect/ > > > > They use Pagekite.  They could use Tor.  Tor is very nice for this
frabcus [GG] Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 02:35:00
Thinking about why I haven't done any interviews recently, and the real reason is because I never found any products I actually could use day to day. Some time has passed, and there are plenty of new decentralized products I haven't looked at, and the ones I interviewed
Torbjörn Johnson [GG] A distributed CDN 2017-03-07 09:43:00
demo videos available but you are encouraged to contact me to get an invitation to try to broadcast your own videos. What do you think? Suggestions are welcome. Torbjorn
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] April meetup / call for topics & speakers. 2014-04-14 12:36:55
Nonmonotonix wrote: > Redecentralize, > > We're thinking of shaking up the redecentralize meetup format a little > by having either hands-on sessions, speakers (long form or lightning > talks) or a social for a month's meetup. > Preferences? > Topics? > Any volunteers for speaking
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 08:03:32
site that is less ugly & easier to use, support for bridging to physical Ethernet networks for seamless physical-to-virtual Ethernet extension (think "virtual wire from physical switch to virtual switch in P2P-space"). Also will start charging for managed, closed networks as a revenue model soon
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 10:51:26
site that is less ugly & easier to use, support for bridging to physical Ethernet networks for seamless physical-to-virtual Ethernet extension (think "virtual wire from physical switch to virtual switch in P2P-space"). Also will start charging for managed, closed networks as a revenue model soon. (Mostly business
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-05-02 16:18:26
that is less ugly & easier to use, > support for bridging to physical Ethernet networks for seamless > physical-to-virtual Ethernet extension (think "virtual wire from > physical switch to virtual switch in P2P-space"). Also will start > charging for managed, closed networks
J. Ryan Stinnett [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 00:17:23
crypto to be added! It's even > written in Go, my fav programming language and the one I know the best. I think most people use Syncthing to sync devices they control. So, in that case you should be able to trust yourself! For example, I run Syncthing
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-06-05 12:21:02
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I like this on the meta level-- we need to start thinking about algorithms and their spaces of execution as social statements. In the information age, they are. The way software is structured and executed affects the form and function of the socioeconomic realm
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 23:38:58
added!  It's even > written in Go, my fav programming language and the one I know the best. I think most people use Syncthing to sync devices they control. So, in that case you should be able to trust yourself! For example, I run Syncthing
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-02-03 16:41:20
wrote: > >>> Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I > >>> think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or > >>> charging for tickets to spend on foods/beer
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 09:53:54
browsers) and 2) mixed in with a fair share of us working on similar ideas. Good luck to them, but I think they'll get beaten to the punch. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Martin Honermeyer < maze@strahlungsfrei.de > wrote: Some of you might already have
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:48:55
reimplemented by every other application. I just have to figure out how to get people to try it. So far nobody. I think the "compile it from source" thing is putting people off. It's not actually that hard, basically just install Debian, paste the commands from the instructions into
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 11:31:17
Will (one of > the many volunteers helping to organise RDC 15). Firstly I'm massively > excited about this weekend's conference. I think we are going to have a > lot of fun and there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it > will be a great
Eva Pascoe [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 Session idea: The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ? 2015-10-16 10:55:10
beginning of privacy as a b usiness model ?  There are quiet a few commentaries / blog posts / news articles,  which think that the CJEU ruling will have an unknown but potential significant impact  on the prevailing business models based on data collection to the detriment
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-31 11:09:09
London meetup next week? Cheers, Michael On 15/01/14 16:39, Ira wrote: Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or charging for tickets to spend on foods/beer? I can start a separate thread with specific peoples to organise
Tom Atkins [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-02 11:16:48
Thank you so much! I thoroughly enjoyed reading that and had lots of 'this makes so much sense' moments. Time to start thinking more about 'provably minimal hubs'. :-) On 02/08/14 00:07, Adam Ierymenko wrote: > I just started a personal blog, and my first post includes some thoughts
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-31 09:04:56
London meetup next week? Cheers, Michael On 15/01/14 16:39, Ira wrote: Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or charging for tickets to spend on foods/beer? I can start a separate thread with specific peoples to organise
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-31 12:17:35
London meetup next week? Cheers, Michael On 15/01/14 16:39, Ira wrote: Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or charging for tickets to spend on foods/beer? I can start a separate thread with specific peoples to organise
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-09 00:40:42
business models and present our clients and perspectives. I am sure the community will be able to provide good feedbacks, so I definitely think it is very valuable for us ! And we need to find 3 or 4 new people to join us, so this also could help to find
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-31 12:11:51
next week? Cheers, Michael On 15/01/14 16:39, Ira wrote: > Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I > think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or > charging for tickets to spend on foods/beer? > > I can start a separate thread with specific
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 00:48:45
sped it up by a trillion times -- but it is still a trillion times too slow. But, someday -- and maybe someday sooner than we think, as these things go -- maybe it will be feasible to have things like zero-knowledge search engines. Maybe low-level zero-knowledge tasks, like packet
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 11:57:52
sped it up by a trillion times -- but it is still a trillion times too slow. But, someday -- and maybe someday sooner than we think, as these things go -- maybe it will be feasible to have things like zero-knowledge search engines. Maybe low-level zero-knowledge tasks, like packet
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-06 12:58:21
associated values (it's a JSON object): * value - the actual value to store. * timestamp - a UNIX timestamp representing when the creator of the item thinks the item was created (so it's easy to work out the latest version of an item given two candidates). * expires - a UNIX timestamp beyond
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 11:31:57
JSON object): > > * value - the actual value to store. > * timestamp - a UNIX timestamp representing when the creator of the item > thinks the item was created (so it's easy to work out the latest version > of an item given two candidates). > * expires - a UNIX timestamp
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Zooko's triangle vs. Gödel incompleteness the 2014-08-21 13:20:19
have a formal proof. Can you > prove it being either way? > > Best > > /Jörg > Why do you think there is any relationship whatsoever between those two things? We don't even know if Zooko's triangle is actually true
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-16 16:37:12
cats. Cheers, Michael On 15/01/14 16:39, Ira wrote: > Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I > think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or > charging for tickets to spend on foods/beer? > > I can start a separate thread with specific peoples
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-15 16:39:22
Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or charging for tickets to spend on foods/beer? I can start a separate thread with specific peoples to organise off list On 15 January 2014 15:32, Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-06-06 08:46:27
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: I like this on the meta level-- we need to start thinking about algorithms and their spaces of execution as social statements. In the information age, they are. The way software is structured and executed affects the form and function of the socioeconomic realm
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
actually view operational decentralization as being more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
object): >> >> * value - the actual value to store. * timestamp - a UNIX >> timestamp representing when the creator of the item thinks the >> item was created (so it's easy to work out the latest version of >> an item given two candidates). * expires
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
actually view operational decentralization as being more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
actually view operational decentralization as being more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable later al communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
actually view operational decentralization as being more fundamental and more important than infrastructure decentralization. #3 is sort of a philosophical point. Basically I think it's more important to enable lateral communication functionally than to physically decentralize the network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that
Mikko Kotila [GG] Re: Which decentralized products _would_ you use day to day if they existed? Why? 2016-09-10 22:50:00
think "critical" things like code repos would benefit most from being decentralized, so I guess something like git but completely decentralized. Websites is the bulk of the internet, so it would be very interesting to see more on decentralized self-publishing platforms. For personal use, cross-platform secure/private/anon messaging
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:04:36
paragraph has pushed one of my buttons, so I'm weighing in. I agree with the failure of the planned economy experiment, but I think the comparison with the free market needs expansion. It's important to emphasise that we don't actually _have_ a free market, not as Hayeck
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:49:31
Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Human societies are networks too. I think this work has po litical and philosophical implications inasmuch as the same information theoretic principles that govern computer networks might also operate in human ones. If we can fix it here, maybe it can help us find
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-21 11:23:12
schrieb David Burns: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Human societies are networks too. I think this work has po litical and philosophical implications inasmuch as the same information theoretic principles that govern computer networks might also operate in human ones
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 14:41:22
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-05 16:13:36
mention using Docker and arkOS. With Docker finally >  working on Raspberry Pi, I wanted to ask Jacob Cook what he thinks >  about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into > arkOS. > > Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security
Richard Marr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2014-01-05 11:35:55
think* it's relevant. Could be wrong though. This project enables UDP as a replacement for TCP to try and squeeze out some performance gains (TCP provides some reliability checks that UDP doesn't care about and those checks cost time). They'd then run HTTP and HTTPS
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Zooko's triangle vs. Gödel incompleteness the 2014-08-25 10:58:38
prove it being either way? >> >> Best >> >> /Jörg >> > Why do you think there is any relationship whatsoever between those two things? I don't have a formalization of Zooko's triangle either. Hence my challenge
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 11:07:42
real address? Reachability, bandwidth, scalability, all these are a lot easier to solve if IP could… umm… *actually be used*. Think about all the stuff we already have that is built upon IP, and how all if it could be used in a less centralized peer to peer
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-03 10:36:17
publicly advanced beyond iamsatoshi's rough blog post  and Agora's private draft . That's something to watch for in 2014, I think. -- Eric On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Jonathan Deamer < jonathandeamer@gmail.com > wrote: I've been wondering this too! I've asked
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Search Tech Talk 2015-10-17 01:08:30
Hugh, searching the web is, at least in Europe, a very monopolistic matter. I think it is one important task to build (decentralized, if possible) alternatives to Google search et al. This could be a very interesting talk to listen to, in my opinion.  So, a +1 from
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:58:22
mention using Docker and arkOS. With Docker finally >  working on Raspberry Pi, I wanted to ask Jacob Cook what he thinks >  about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into > arkOS. > > Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security
adam.ierymenko [GG] Re: Hi and mailing lists 2016-04-22 09:58:00
squatconf.eu If there’s anyone in the Berlin area I’d love to meet up. Unfortunately I think I’m going to be swamped with biz stuff in late May and will probably have to be in San Francisco instead
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 23:56:09
Interesting you mention using Docker and arkOS. With Docker finally working on Raspberry Pi, I wanted to ask Jacob Cook what he thinks about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into arkOS. Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security, not to say that almost _anything
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 12:02:15
publicly advanced beyond iamsatoshi's rough blog post  and Agora's private draft . That's something to watch for in 2014, I think. -- Eric On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Jonathan Deamer < jonathandeamer@gmail.com > wrote: I've been wondering this too! I've asked
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-02 12:20:44
browsers) and 2) mixed in with a fair share of us working on similar ideas. Good luck to them, but I think they'll get beaten to the punch. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Martin Honermeyer < maze@strahlungsfrei.de > wrote: Some of you might already have
Martin Dittus [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-31 02:34:28
wrote: > I agree with Jer. > > We are seeing P2P tech turn up in unexpected places > https://blog.twitter.com/2010/murder-fast-datacenter-code-deploys-using-bittorrent I think that’s an unfortunate example: that’s a decentralised technology used for better centralisation (where a centralised service is large enough to be decentralised
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 18:29:36
those days, > > Gnutella, WorldOS, FreeNet) and trying to work out what the structure > > should be, just like I often think about now. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages/26 > > > > e.g. a latish post in 2007, someone asking "why hasn't any of this
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 19:12:17
stack (in those days, > Gnutella, WorldOS, FreeNet) and trying to work out what the structure > should be, just like I often think about now. > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages/26 > > e.g. a latish post in 2007, someone asking "why hasn't any of this > worked
dominic.tarr [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 02:01:00
okay, kicking the tires on this retroshare thing I installed retroshare, think I other people to add me via my "ID Certificate": CQEGAf8AAAJUxsBNBFcGIGIBCACdqBRUsNAoEk3bKebxI3/7p/pN2TXAXEcPNRQ6 2P1J+Q+h75lPZAMML7swT+9/9rSdA0sHgbwqlJWJACzylO+c3dLrA0jtkpnh1sAn kqcRw7sO4HBY7mQnMxRxjNHvBEBzSVns3xYAkHB/t6vgN2YSu02Wo6tRLjxXl+VO 2aOKCVRnfknGIHCVolVQBFNFNO3Kk6F/OvsgFGBPDAQdkNS+Usx8wd7dzt7ubiQx oCUa4YXqfHcnwQBmq1NT4PmobG3x+pQkZW1Kwc8aOUBK875NDnHAZYfZkg+KDbzR MJtx6y3kWFLa5ZhvFLTyr89r3UXbSkWJ26t7DWYG9cSzwnqBABEBAAHNIERNVCAo R2VuZXJhdGVkIGJ5IFJldHJvU2hhcmUpIDw+wsBfBBMBAgATBQJXBiBiCRBM8TXi 5oVeHgIZAQAAhBwH/jvo65sE31c3K0lNsmGlhVV02QqYNdw0ZLz9b+LbzhdnDcvb /yjtPBHZAA3PqaBLC3QZuqLM6syFg3ZYT2futH5aR2fHfWPHqqzlSx5u0ic1GN67 0zLU4SQ/SvblVCH6jctlDoIkbA7tOWeHF1iV7YQp8Vfc4uix6UH8GhLJ7Gu9t1ub LZBq1qjwwcMax1fj2aGqbCh+sVr13dOnjdn0KLzlsv5BG9zDBEaX8qaxWYaHZ82J rZy+sA4uEh1AnF8heKTzTmO2xL9oL1GykGd9cBPo8JJKcbP+JD8YdnxG1KOy8x5W 9fLoTAS3C9PswTSh2INR/PY2II3yw1mtD0o7c9MCBnZdzuFPWQMGwKgBA09ZBAAG BmxhcHRvcAUQPHdHvpFJuOnfDeJedffYKQcDLuQO
Janislav Malahov [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 11:23:03
Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference >> THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. >> >> It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s >> been happening with various projects
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 06:51:59
eventually consistent layers, so there is probably a way you could do this. There is *probably* a way to do it, but I think that life is easier if you embrace things like eventually consistency and design things to work with those principles instead of attempting to box them into
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 13:59:28
applications and hosts. But we haven't nailed certfile-distribution at scale yet, so that's why I call it an unsolved problem. I think the web-of-trust is inevitably what we'll need, but PGP has a few critical problems. For one (1) the people that sign certificates
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:34:56
about is precisely what the next (agreement) layer at top of it provides. > There is *probably* a way to do it, but I think that life is easier if > you embrace things like eventually consistency and > design things to work with those principles instead of attempting
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 13:36:12
looking at the stack (in those days, Gnutella, WorldOS, FreeNet) and trying to work out what the structure should be, just like I often think about now. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/decentralization/conversations/messages/26 e.g. a latish post in 2007, someone asking "why hasn't any of this worked
frabcus [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-03-14 19:57:00
Radar, I'm not being quite that closed to network effects. If something seems usable enough that I think it reaches the bar that friends could adopt it, and otherwise is excellent, it'll still go in. Otherwise we really would get nowhere... But note the usability requirement! Which very
Thomas Levine [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 06:33:00
Garmin eTrex 30 And, of course, once I have all this stuff locally, I read and edit files with assorted ordinary software I'm thinking about making a standalone ZIM file reader and connecting it to recoll because Kiwix is annoying to install and to use. Once I start carrying
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yay transcripts! 2013-12-28 22:57:27
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] squatconf 2014-10-20 10:47:25
normal tech conference this is the place for you. > > http://squatconf.eu > > submit a proposal here: https://github.com/squatconf/talks I think this is as much of a wild radical talk proposal i can come up with currently: https://github.com/hpk42/talks-1/blob/master/proposed/secession_from_broadcast.md Oh, and i'd like to thank
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yay transcripts! 2013-12-28 17:22:42
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] squatconf 2014-10-20 10:54:20
normal tech conference this is the place for you. > > http://squatconf.eu > > submit a proposal here: https://github.com/squatconf/talks I think this is as much of a wild radical talk proposal i can come up with currently: https://github.com/hpk42/talks-1/blob/master/proposed/secession_from_broadcast.md Oh, and i'd like to thank
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:35:27
predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix has some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Ideas from London meetup 2013-12-19 10:41:46
That’s great. I’ve added an entry on the Wiki at  https://github.com/redecentralize/swarm/wiki/Active-groups   I think we should probably have some sort of  page listing groups on the site (whether labelled redecentralize or not) as part
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 12:41:27
predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix has some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:03:37
predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix has some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 13:21:14
predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix has some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:50:39
predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix has some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Christoph Witzany [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 09:48:17
shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:12:55
funds. Don't really apply i guess because "redecentralize" is not a party. So all in all i think referencing the pirate party rules is of limited value and i suggest to rather write down something more directly applicate to the site and project. I am certainly
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 19:00:50
Interesting you mention using Docker and arkOS. With Docker finally > working on Raspberry Pi, I wanted to ask Jacob Cook what he thinks > about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into > arkOS. > > Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] A blog post 2013-12-18 18:41:47
know who's writing what so we avoid collisions of subject matter. Ira..? ;-) N. On 18/12/13 14:23, Irina Bolychevsky wrote: > I think we plan to kick off the blog in the new year now, but would > be ace to have a few posts lined
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] A blog post 2013-12-18 14:53:07
know who's writing what so we avoid collisions of subject matter. Ira..? ;-) N. On 18/12/13 14:23, Irina Bolychevsky wrote: > I think we plan to kick off the blog in the new year now, but would > be ace to have a few posts lined
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] How many on this list now? And archives? 2013-12-10 09:03:01
Francis Irving <francis@flourish.org> wrote: > > > Ross is the only person who can answer these questions I think :) > -- Do *you* have an awesome idea you never quite manage to do? http://www.awesomefoundation.org/en/chapters/liverpool/
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] How many on this list now? And archives? 2013-12-10 08:41:35
Francis Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: Ross is the only person who can answer these questions I think
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 12:07:38
mozilla > web-literacy website [4] they seem to have a logical progression > structure from Explore -> Build -> Connect. I don't think that is correct. > > Regardless of my actions or whatever the XSCE project does, more people > are going to go online through Facebook
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] who will be going to FLOSS4P2P? 2015-03-08 09:57:59
Hello, Cozy Cloud will be there, I hope we will present with some other decentralized projects an initiative to make our projects interoperable. We think that the decentralized tools will fail if they don't interoperate together. Without this interoperability, the basic user will stay with Google, Dropbox
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
mozilla > web-literacy website [4] they seem to have a logical progression > structure from Explore -> Build -> Connect. I don't think that is correct. > > Regardless of my actions or whatever the XSCE project does, more people > are going to go online through Facebook
Brian Cloutier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 05:32:00
thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/ 2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the- cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-08 19:16:49
stopped working in August of this year. :( On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:10 PM, P S < pairspace@gmail.com > wrote: Don't think Yahoo supports export.   Maybe try the list owner?  decentralization-owner@yahoogroups.com   These may provide some ideas
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 07:06:39
mempko@gmail.com > wrote: Hi All, I thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some
ben [GG] Re: Decentralized Web (SF) and Matrix Channel 2016-05-30 22:54:00
wish we had, we could have tried to go there. Next time ! => do not hesitate to share info about events around decentralization, I think this is important for the community to have opportunities to meet. Benjamin ANDRE - Cozy Cloud
feross [GG] Re: A distributed CDN 2017-03-08 21:37:00
HTTP. What actually matters much more is: 1) the quality of the product, 2) the user experience, and 3) the marketing. I think all people working on P2P tech should get this tattooed on their knuckles so they remember to not spend all their time on coding :) Anish
P S [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-08 19:10:50
think Yahoo supports export.   Maybe try the list owner?  decentralization-owner@yahoogroups.com   These may provide some ideas:      http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo!_Groups      http://www.tt-solutions.com/en/portfolio/yahoo2mbox On Dec 8, 2013, at 18:53, Eric Mill < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Is there a way for someone
frabcus [GG] Re: OggCamp 2017-03-14 21:19:00
Hello Joe! Am just asking around if anyone can do it... Think could do a good session or stall around stuff that can be installed and used straight away. Francis
ken Code [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 10:02:22
shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
literacy website [4] they seem to have a logical progression > > structure from Explore -> Build -> Connect. I don't think that is > correct. > > > > Regardless of my actions or whatever the XSCE project does, more > people > > are going
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-11 11:25:00
have been reopened : I tried and ... yes, the survey was open again ! I don't know how this is possible, but I like to think that it is thanks to my bottle at the sea of yesterday evening. I see here the proof of the power of decentralized logics
will schiller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 12:42:29
shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-06 17:18:37
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 11:17:34
complex cases. But it often comes at the expense of other ways to conceive life that do not assume an informational world. I do think there are homomorphisms in the world, but I do not believe in an informational world that can be reduced to ones and zeros
Filipe Catraia [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-06 20:00:51
Hello, >> >> Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference >> THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. >> >> It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s >> been happening with various
juh [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 07:28:00
category which should be taken into account is the question. "Do my friends use it". As more an more friends use Signal, I think it is worth trying. Communication technology that nobody uses accept me is not yet worth trying
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 14:29:11
Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference >> THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. >> >> It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s >> been happening with various projects
juh [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 23:20:00
special interest groups that want to privatize the entire public sector. Their success is undeniable. Germany today is nearly completely private property. I think that this is the front line. We have to fight back private interest in the net. And because this is contrary to the individualised ethos
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-07 21:31:57
Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference >> THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. >> >> It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s >> been happening with various projects
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
this list (the taxi men, hotel trade, news papers...). 1.3    View towards 2025 and beyond How do you think the internet will look like in 2025 and beyond? Key words : Decentralized, User centric, Personal Cloud, PIMS, Cryptography, Blockchain like (decentralization of trusted third parties
Nonmonotonix [LibreList] April meetup / call for topics & speakers. 2014-03-17 07:10:55
Redecentralize, We're thinking of shaking up the redecentralize meetup format a little by having either hands-on sessions, speakers (long form or lightning talks) or a social for a month's meetup. Preferences? Topics? Any volunteers for speaking or running a hands-on session or speaking? Next meetup would
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] April meetup / call for topics & speakers. 2014-03-17 13:35:49
www.meetup.com/SolidStateDepot/events/154226712/ Francis On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 07:10:55AM +0000, Nonmonotonix wrote: > Redecentralize, > > We're thinking of shaking up the redecentralize meetup format a little > by having either hands-on sessions, speakers (long form or lightning > talks) or a social
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-01 21:02:50
devices connected to said network, which chat clients somehow query so they know where the IM should be sent. In this scenario, do you think it's possible for me to get this information without the server also getting it (by decrypting the IP/port pairs however I'd decrypt them
Louise Ishka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-03 08:38:06
Interesting you mention using Docker and arkOS. With Docker finally >  working on Raspberry Pi, I wanted to ask Jacob Cook what he thinks >  about integrating Docker as a first class deployment method into > arkOS. > > Running services securely sandboxed could greatly improve security
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 22:18:20
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-31 19:36:04
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-07 09:23:31
like this on the meta level-- we need to start thinking about algorithms and their spaces of execution as social statements. In the information age, they are. The way software is structured and executed affects the form and function of the socioeconomic realm
juh [GG] Re: Which decentralized products _would_ you use day to day if they existed? Why? 2016-07-26 01:06:00
Personally, I would use Twitter if it were decentralized. And actually I use Twister. :-) But I think the tool itself is irrelevant. I want to be social, so I ask myself: Where are my friends? Where is my audience? If it is not a hoax even turkish army officers used
Francis Irving [LibreList] Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 20:07:43
Will (one of the many volunteers helping to organise RDC 15). Firstly I'm massively excited about this weekend's conference. I think we are going to have a lot of fun and there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone
Francis Irving [LibreList] How many on this list now? And archives? 2013-12-10 01:45:10
Ross is the only person who can answer these questions I think
Bastien Guerry [LibreList] FLOSS4P2P: Call for Participation 2015-02-18 10:28:26
interested in applying for the scholarship, please email: lu.yang@surrey.ac.uk before 28 February 2015, with a paragraph stating why you think your FLOSS is relevant, plus a short bio. Priority will be given to those with low resources, innovative FLOSS within the topics of the call, and being a grassroot community
Francis Irving [LibreList] Yay transcripts! 2013-12-28 16:18:58
spreadsheet) but needs turning into a nice pull request. A few of the others someone has either started or sent one by email, I think to Ira. Ira, can you chase them up and put any you've got by email online so others can make them into pull requests
holger krekel [LibreList] any meeting point for tonight? 2015-10-16 08:18:38
Will (one of the many volunteers helping to organise RDC 15). Firstly I'm massively excited about this weekend's conference. I think we are going to have a lot of fun and there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 11:04:28
browsers) and 2) mixed in with a fair share of us working on similar ideas. Good luck to them, but I think they'll get beaten to the punch. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Martin Honermeyer < maze@strahlungsfrei.de > wrote: Some of you might already have
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 09:14:06
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/02/2015 09:06 AM, Julien Rabier wrote: > > I think you're in the right place, people trying to sell proprietary > stuff are not. > > Welcome here hellekin ! > > taziden > Hey taziden! Glad to see you here
Jeremy Malcolm [LibreList] Digital consumers breaking through the cloud 2014-03-25 10:53:12
regain individual sovereignty over our data and communications.   And the first step in asserting one's rights is acting upon them. So think twice before releasing your personal data to large, centralised cloud services, and especially to those that don't respect your consumer rights
mempko [LibreList] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-02 22:01:04
thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:18:42
Andrew Manning [LibreList] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 14:53:03
predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix has some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] to explain decentralisation with a simple card game 2015-09-07 19:09:43
Ira [LibreList] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 07:39:39
Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently thinking October time. It will be a place to bring interested people together, showcase what’s been happening with various projects, discover new ones and understand the evolving
Goffi [LibreList] Hello + Salut à Toi / Libervia 2015-08-22 18:15:14
preparing a big one hopefully for the next month. Everything is AGPL v3+, and made with Python (2.7 so far, we start to think about Python 3 port). Ok, that's enough for a first message, you can check the website for more information: http://salut-a-toi.org
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 14:07:49
Will (one of the many volunteers helping to organise RDC 15). Firstly I'm massively excited about this weekend's conference. I think we are going to have a lot of fun and there are some exceptionally talented people coming so it will be a great opportunity for everyone
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-16 16:15:21
wrote: > Hi, > > Now the ownCloud Conf is over I'm trying to wrap things up. There was one > announcement I think you folk find interesting: https://owncloud.org/c onnect/ > They use Pagekite. They could use Tor. Tor is very nice for this
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-02-03 09:04:42
wrote: >>>>> Booking C4CC will be free. Someone needs to sponsor the beer! I >>>>> think Malcolm was volunteering... Anyone else? Foods/wine? Or >>>>> charging for tickets to spend on foods/beer
Adrien [LibreList] to explain decentralisation with a simple card game 2015-09-07 20:05:29
present our project to people, one of the biggest issue is to make them understand the concept (and benefits) of decentralisation. I was thinking about a way to explain decentralisation in a funny way, maybe to turn it into a game and make the persons participate. I came up with