Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49 into a network. ZT1's networks are first-order entities. Think of it as being like the difference between a VNC client and a
virtual machine. Both allow you to use a different operating system on your local desktop. The first is a client that connects you to one running
/...\ somewhere else, while the second actually runs one
virtually. The closest thing out there to ZT1 is probably LogMeIn Hamachi, but it's closed-source and aimed at the "enterprise" market. (Which I view as something to be avoided.) I have intentionally never downloaded or tried Hamachi because
/...\ each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well.
The networks really are
virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts to multicast
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30 into a network. ZT1's networks are first-order entities.
Think of it as being like the difference between a VNC client and a
virtual machine. Both allow you to use a different operating system on your local desktop. The first is a client that connects you to one running
/...\ somewhere else, while the second actually runs one
virtually.
The closest thing out there to ZT1 is probably LogMeIn Hamachi, but it's closed-source and aimed at the "enterprise" market. (Which I view as something to be avoided.) I have intentionally never downloaded or tried Hamachi because
/...\ each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well.
The networks really are
virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts to multicast
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41 each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well. The networks really are
virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts to multicast
/...\ subscribers that are more frequent partners in communication. I chose to
virtualize at layer 2 because this enables any protocol to work... you could even play IPX LAN games over this. :) On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: I'm working
/...\ wouldn't go anywhere.
This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public
virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication easy enables people to easily
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47 each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well.
The networks really are
virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts to multicast
/...\ subscribers that are more frequent partners in communication. I chose to
virtualize at layer 2 because this enables any protocol to work... you could even play IPX LAN games over this. :)
On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: I'm working
/...\ wouldn't go anywhere.
This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public
virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication easy enables people to easily
development: new web site that is less ugly & easier to use, support for bridging to physical Ethernet networks for seamless physical-to-virtual Ethernet extension (think "virtual wire from physical switch to virtual switch in P2P-space"). Also will start charging for managed, closed networks
site that is less ugly & easier to use,
> support for bridging to physical Ethernet networks for seamless
> physical-to-virtual Ethernet extension (think "virtual wire from
> physical switch to virtual switch in P2P-space"). Also will start
> charging for managed, closed networks
development: new web site that is less ugly & easier to use, support for bridging to physical Ethernet networks for seamless physical-to-virtual Ethernet extension (think "virtual wire from physical switch to virtual switch in P2P-space"). Also will start charging for managed, closed networks as a revenue model
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13 wouldn't go anywhere.
This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public
virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication easy enables people to easily
/...\ some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my
virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote:
Hey redcentralize list... just introducing myself
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29 wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public
virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication easy enables people to easily
/...\ some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my
virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote:
Hey redcentralize list... just introducing myself
Please check out my decentralized dev and runtime platform called
> Hiveware at www.hiveware.com which stands for Hyperstructured
> Interactive
Virtual Environment softWare. I have been working on it
> for many years. I expect to launch the engine by the end of the year
> called the Hiveware
/...\ Nope, creative ownership to my way of thinking as a
psycholinguist, is conveyed along with the creation of said item be it
material or
virtual like code, music or digital art. You can give it away
without compensation for the time, materials and effort you have expended on
the item
close. CJDNS is a mesh protocol that creates a single L3 IPv6 network. ZeroTier One is a hybrid peer to peer protocol that creates virtual Ethernet networks (plural). ZeroTier is more like SDN for everyone, everywhere. (SDN is software defined networking, and refers to the creation of software defined virtual
close. CJDNS is a mesh protocol that creates a single L3 IPv6 network. ZeroTier One is a hybrid peer to peer protocol that creates virtual Ethernet networks (plural). ZeroTier is more like SDN for everyone, everywhere. (SDN is software defined networking, and refers to the creation of software defined virtual
close. CJDNS is a mesh protocol that creates a single L3 IPv6 network. ZeroTier One is a hybrid peer to peer protocol that creates virtual Ethernet networks (plural). ZeroTier is more like SDN for everyone, everywhere. (SDN is software defined networking, and refers to the creation of software defined virtual
system from neibouring
> property systems...
We could also say: Property (as in "attributed & ensured by a legal
system") is a
virtual property (as in "being an attribute not having a
physical component").
To decentralize therefore needs (among other things)
a) a component to model
/...\ took it anyway, I'll need to find some
witness who confirms that I'm the legal owner.
Translating this into "
virtual space": if you manipulate my device in
such a way that the state changes to "bike gone" (or if I completely
loose my device
tonight in two short hours (8pm London time, 9pm CEST)! Come along to help organise, pitch in with plans and ideas and perhaps a virtually shared drink if we finish early. Where? https://appear.in/rdc When? 8pm BST today What / notes? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/rdc
Redecentralizers: Please check out my decentralized dev and runtime platform called Hiveware at www.hiveware.com which stands for Hyperstructured Interactive Virtual Environment softWare. I have been working on it for many years. I expect to launch the engine by the end of the year called the Hiveware Big Bang
delivery uses a multitude of servers and routers, so it's
just not about who owns the content. The Internet infrastructure is not
virtual and it actually costs a lot to companies who don't get a dime of
royalty on your software.
> meaning folk's notions of privacy
Redecentralizers:
>
>
>
> Please check out my decentralized dev and runtime platform called Hiveware
> at www.hiveware.com which stands for Hyperstructured Interactive Virtual
> Environment softWare. I have been working on it for many years. I expect to
> launch the engine by the end of the year
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 12:40:57 some central coordinator?
What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible?
Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote:
Hey redcentralize list... just introducing myself
larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes
>> at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual
>> banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as
>> in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly
short hours (8pm London time, 9pm CEST)!
>
> Come along to help organise, pitch in with plans and ideas and perhaps a
> virtually shared drink if we finish early.
>
> Where? https://appear.in/rdc
> When? 8pm BST today
> What / notes? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/rdc
really see a value in an application, which is not
reliable. What's the value of n virtual asset stored at mobile when
the mobile is lost? Manual backup is no solution. As long as data
does not outlive gadgets there is little value left
change!
These days we often have 5 servers (small, virtual, on EC2) almost whimsically just on one small project...
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015, at 06:56 AM, Hugh Barnard wrote:
Hi folks
This: https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/655306196128280576 is what a web search engine hardware configuration looked like
think it's the absolute panacea that some think it is. It has other issues too. A lot of people call it "anonymous virtual currency." It most certainly is not. That particular piece of Bitcoin evangelism is almost Orewellian in its doublespeak-iness. Bitcoin is the least anonymous currency ever
That's nothing. Get a load of what I had to pull out of my you know what to get windows to treat a virtual network properly with regard to firewall policy. As far as I know I am the first developer to pull this
That's nothing. Get a load of what I had to pull out of my you know what to get windows to treat a virtual network properly with regard to firewall policy. As far as I know I am the first developer to pull this
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
need complicated things like libjingle, WebRTC, Maidsafe, etc. All we need is IP. In the short term we can have this world using network virtualization layers and/or meshnets. In the long term we can adopt IPv6, assign every device a real address, and improve device perimeter security enough that firewalls
need complicated things like libjingle, WebRTC, Maidsafe, etc. All we need is IP. In the short term we can have this world using network virtualization layers and/or meshnets. In the long term we can adopt IPv6, assign every device a real address, and improve device perimeter security enough that firewalls
requiring the cooperation of at least 5 servers"
> is a great change!
>
> These days we often have 5 servers (small, virtual, on EC2) almost
> whimsically just on one small project...
>
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015, at 06:56 AM, Hugh Barnard wrote
small.)
For a larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes
at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual
banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as
in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly online and
prevent
small.)
For a larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes
at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual
banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as
in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly online and
prevent fraud
more granular.
I see. That's about the point where app development became kinda
confusing in our context. After all the server is virtually there even
though physically not.
(Another - related - confusion might be interesting to readers looking
at it from a legal background: in such a network new objects
larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes
> at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual
> banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as
> in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly online
delivery uses a multitude of servers and routers, so it's
just not about who owns the content. The Internet infrastructure is not
virtual and it actually costs a lot to companies who don't get a dime of
royalty on your software.
> meaning folk's notions of privacy
That's about the point where app development became kinda
confusing in our context. Â After all the server is virtually there even
though physically not.
(Another - related - confusion might be interesting to readers looking
at it from a legal background: in such a network new objects are created
more seamless. You will be able to choose the
AI you want to plug on your Personal Cloud in order to benefit
from a virtual assistant who is truly at your service.
In a word : as surprisingly as it may seems from the current
situation, I thing that the future