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We’ve had enough of digital monopolies and surveillance capitalism. We want an alternative world that works for everyone, just like the original intention of the web and net.

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Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
into a network. ZT1's networks are first-order entities. Think of it as being like the difference between a VNC client and a virtual machine. Both allow you to use a different operating system on your local desktop. The first is a client that connects you to one running /...\ somewhere else, while the second actually runs one virtually. The closest thing out there to ZT1 is probably LogMeIn Hamachi, but it's closed-source and aimed at the "enterprise" market. (Which I view as something to be avoided.) I have intentionally never downloaded or tried Hamachi because /...\ each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well. The networks really are virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts to multicast
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
into a network. ZT1's networks are first-order entities. Think of it as being like the difference between a VNC client and a virtual machine. Both allow you to use a different operating system on your local desktop. The first is a client that connects you to one running /...\ somewhere else, while the second actually runs one virtually. The closest thing out there to ZT1 is probably LogMeIn Hamachi, but it's closed-source and aimed at the "enterprise" market. (Which I view as something to be avoided.) I have intentionally never downloaded or tried Hamachi because /...\ each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well. The networks really are virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts to multicast
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well. The networks really are virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts to multicast /...\ subscribers that are more frequent partners in communication. I chose to virtualize at layer 2 because this enables any protocol to work... you could even play IPX LAN games over this. :) On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: I'm working /...\ wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication easy enables people to easily
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
each other <here>." This enables reliable and very simple NAT-t. So far it seems to work well. The networks really are virtual Ethernets. Everything works, including multicast. If there are too many members for everyone to get every multicast, it degrades gracefully by propagating multicasts to multicast /...\ subscribers that are more frequent partners in communication. I chose to virtualize at layer 2 because this enables any protocol to work... you could even play IPX LAN games over this. :) On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Paul Frazee < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: I'm working /...\ wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication easy enables people to easily
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 08:03:32
development: new web site that is less ugly & easier to use, support for bridging to physical Ethernet networks for seamless physical-to-virtual Ethernet extension (think "virtual wire from physical switch to virtual switch in P2P-space"). Also will start charging for managed, closed networks
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-05-02 16:18:26
site that is less ugly & easier to use, > support for bridging to physical Ethernet networks for seamless > physical-to-virtual Ethernet extension (think "virtual wire from > physical switch to virtual switch in P2P-space"). Also will start > charging for managed, closed networks
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Status reports - where are you with your work? 2014-04-25 10:51:26
development: new web site that is less ugly & easier to use, support for bridging to physical Ethernet networks for seamless physical-to-virtual Ethernet extension (think "virtual wire from physical switch to virtual switch in P2P-space"). Also will start charging for managed, closed networks as a revenue model
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication easy enables people to easily /...\ some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Hey redcentralize list... just introducing myself
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral communication easy on public virtual LANs. The fact that peers use a set of centralized servers to find each other is IMHO secondary... making lateral communication easy enables people to easily /...\ some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Hey redcentralize list... just introducing myself
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 11:05:11
Please check out my decentralized dev and runtime platform called > Hiveware at www.hiveware.com which stands for Hyperstructured > Interactive Virtual Environment softWare. I have been working on it > for many years. I expect to launch the engine by the end of the year > called the Hiveware /...\ Nope, creative ownership to my way of thinking as a psycholinguist, is conveyed along with the creation of said item be it material or virtual like code, music or digital art. You can give it away without compensation for the time, materials and effort you have expended on the item
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:06:56
close. CJDNS is a mesh protocol that creates a single L3 IPv6 network. ZeroTier One is a hybrid peer to peer protocol that creates virtual Ethernet networks (plural). ZeroTier is more like SDN for everyone, everywhere. (SDN is software defined networking, and refers to the creation of software defined virtual
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 00:48:45
close. CJDNS is a mesh protocol that creates a single L3 IPv6 network. ZeroTier One is a hybrid peer to peer protocol that creates virtual Ethernet networks (plural). ZeroTier is more like SDN for everyone, everywhere. (SDN is software defined networking, and refers to the creation of software defined virtual
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 11:57:52
close. CJDNS is a mesh protocol that creates a single L3 IPv6 network. ZeroTier One is a hybrid peer to peer protocol that creates virtual Ethernet networks (plural). ZeroTier is more like SDN for everyone, everywhere. (SDN is software defined networking, and refers to the creation of software defined virtual
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
system from neibouring > property systems... We could also say: Property (as in "attributed & ensured by a legal system") is a virtual property (as in "being an attribute not having a physical component"). To decentralize therefore needs (among other things) a) a component to model /...\ took it anyway, I'll need to find some witness who confirms that I'm the legal owner. Translating this into "virtual space": if you manipulate my device in such a way that the state changes to "bike gone" (or if I completely loose my device
Ira [LibreList] Conference planning & hangout call TONIGHT! 2015-08-18 16:57:15
tonight in two short hours (8pm London time, 9pm CEST)! Come along to help organise, pitch in with plans and ideas and perhaps a virtually shared drink if we finish early. Where?  https://appear.in/rdc When? 8pm BST today What / notes?  https://etherpad.mozilla.org/rdc
Robert Tischer [LibreList] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 07:43:26
Redecentralizers:   Please check out my decentralized dev and runtime platform called Hiveware at www.hiveware.com which stands for Hyperstructured Interactive Virtual Environment softWare. I have been working on it for many years. I expect to launch the engine by the end of the year called the Hiveware Big Bang
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:06:32
delivery uses a multitude of servers and routers, so it's just not about who owns the content. The Internet infrastructure is not virtual and it actually costs a lot to companies who don't get a dime of royalty on your software. > meaning folk's notions of privacy
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 12:49:04
Redecentralizers: > > > > Please check out my decentralized dev and runtime platform called Hiveware > at www.hiveware.com which stands for Hyperstructured Interactive Virtual > Environment softWare. I have been working on it for many years. I expect to > launch the engine by the end of the year
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 12:40:57
some central coordinator? What I imagine doing with ZeroTier is running private web services and distributing the names (" http://couchdb.paul ") among my virtual LAN. Is that feasible? Paul On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: Hey redcentralize list... just introducing myself
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:34:56
larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes >> at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual >> banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as >> in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Conference planning & hangout call TONIGHT! 2015-08-18 20:04:50
short hours (8pm London time, 9pm CEST)! > > Come along to help organise, pitch in with plans and ideas and perhaps a > virtually shared drink if we finish early. > > Where? https://appear.in/rdc > When? 8pm BST today > What / notes? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/rdc
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 12:31:45
really see a value in an application, which is not reliable.  What's the value of n virtual asset stored at mobile when the mobile is lost?  Manual backup is no solution.  As long as data does not outlive gadgets there is little value left
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] To go with my search talk yesterday 2015-10-18 07:47:07
change!   These days we often have 5 servers (small, virtual, on EC2) almost whimsically just on one small project...   On Sun, 18 Oct 2015, at 06:56 AM, Hugh Barnard wrote: Hi folks This: https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/655306196128280576 is what a web search engine hardware configuration looked like
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
think it's the absolute panacea that some think it is. It has other issues too. A lot of people call it "anonymous virtual currency." It most certainly is not. That particular piece of Bitcoin evangelism is almost Orewellian in its doublespeak-iness. Bitcoin is the least anonymous currency ever
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
That's nothing. Get a load of what I had to pull out of my you know what to get windows to treat a virtual network properly with regard to firewall policy. As far as I know I am the first developer to pull this
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
That's nothing. Get a load of what I had to pull out of my you know what to get windows to treat a virtual network properly with regard to firewall policy. As far as I know I am the first developer to pull this
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 11:07:42
need complicated things like libjingle, WebRTC, Maidsafe, etc. All we need is IP. In the short term we can have this world using network virtualization layers and/or meshnets. In the long term we can adopt IPv6, assign every device a real address, and improve device perimeter security enough that firewalls
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
need complicated things like libjingle, WebRTC, Maidsafe, etc. All we need is IP. In the short term we can have this world using network virtualization layers and/or meshnets. In the long term we can adopt IPv6, assign every device a real address, and improve device perimeter security enough that firewalls
Filipe Farinha [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] To go with my search talk yesterday 2015-10-18 15:07:05
requiring the cooperation of at least 5 servers" > is a great change! > > These days we often have 5 servers (small, virtual, on EC2) almost > whimsically just on one small project... > > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015, at 06:56 AM, Hugh Barnard wrote
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:45:37
small.) For a larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly online and prevent
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 12:45:35
small.) For a larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes at quadratic communication cost.  Instead we would create "virtual banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly online and prevent fraud
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
more granular. I see. That's about the point where app development became kinda confusing in our context. After all the server is virtually there even though physically not. (Another - related - confusion might be interesting to readers looking at it from a legal background: in such a network new objects
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 06:51:59
larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes > at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual > banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as > in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly online
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
delivery uses a multitude of servers and routers, so it's just not about who owns the content. The Internet infrastructure is not virtual and it actually costs a lot to companies who don't get a dime of royalty on your software. > meaning folk's notions of privacy
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
That's about the point where app development became kinda confusing in our context.  After all the server is virtually there even though physically not. (Another - related - confusion might be interesting to readers looking at it from a legal background: in such a network new objects are created
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
more seamless. You will be able to choose the AI you want to plug on your Personal Cloud in order to benefit from a virtual assistant who is truly at your service. In a word : as surprisingly as it may seems from the current situation, I thing that the future