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hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 15:33:14
fork the project if they like. The Linux kernel is such a project. The "current P2P diaspora" depends on free software, because without access to the source code, you can't ensure that the software actually does what it claims to do. It's really not about property /...\ certainly does not prevent vendors to sell their software. Why would users pay for software that they can get the source code of without payment? Well, to sustain its development, because someone else is doing the right job, and also because maybe they're not themselves programmers and still want /...\ issue when the software is needed. The recent issue with GRSecurity patches demonstrates that proprietary vendors abuse the fact that source code is available without fee: but the fact Google, Apple, etc. avoid paying taxes demonstrates that solidarity is not built-in the economy: it's a voluntary contribution (when
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 16:36:16
fork the project if they like. The Linux kernel is such a project. The "current P2P diaspora" depends on free software, because without access to the source code, you can't ensure that the software actually does what it claims to do. It's really not about property /...\ certainly does not prevent vendors to sell their software. Why would users pay for software that they can get the source code of without payment? Well, to sustain its development, because someone else is doing the right job, and also because maybe they're not themselves programmers and still want /...\ issue when the software is needed. The recent issue with GRSecurity patches demonstrates that proprietary vendors abuse the fact that source code is available without fee: but the fact Google, Apple, etc. avoid paying taxes demonstrates that solidarity is not built-in the economy: it's a voluntary contribution (when
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 20:23:47
Trust without some centralized "god" somewhere is extraordinarily hard for the reasons you discuss. How do I trust? How do I compute trust? How do I cooperate with peers to compute trust while being sure these peers are not defecting. I think the problem is trying to compute trust algorithmically /...\ network is totally compromised, meaning no communication can take place between anyone, then you can't do anything in the direction of fixing it without having some external network to use to coordinate. But that's only a problem before bootstrap. If you can discover and communicate with several compatriots /...\ network and over time come to trust them before any attack is launched against the network, you can then designate them as trusted parties without any external contact. This is like the Bitcoin solution except that instead of using processing power as the limit on Sybils you use human face
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
information theory such as the CAP theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast /...\ network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized /...\ mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
information theory such as the CAP theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast /...\ network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized /...\ mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
SHA512 On 09/02/2015 12:05 PM, Robert Tischer wrote: > > RT>"open source" for me is tantamount to promiscuous copying without > regards to ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early > days of communism believed this was an ideal /...\ culture, on par with scientific knowledge. The arts show that you can pay for a work and make it available to the public without further fee. Artists paid for their work don't complain that they don't get a fee for each visitor. Second-hand bookstore are not illegal /...\ competing with them in that area. In that sense I and these sub-vendors are cooperating, not collaborating, which is the Hiveware way without software interlocking controls (ie, just the barebones library keeps me from changing their code). In fact, I really don't want to know anything about
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
information theory such as the CAP theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast /...\ network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized /...\ mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
information theory such as the CAP theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast /...\ network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized /...\ mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
information theory such as the CAP theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast /...\ network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized /...\ mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
attempt to solve the need to trust Citibank's remote service, but I do offer a way to extend Citibank's software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint, in this case, is one such extension ("now with more graphs!"). What Web applications choose to make alterable is at their /...\ users to share extensions with each other (like they share pages now). Users, therefore, have the autonomy to develop and personalize Web applications without belonging to the host organization. Following our example, you don't have to be a Citibank dev to dev Citibank. I'd need to research /...\ trust question I'm investigating is application-integrity during third-party extension. Autonomy means, in this case, freedom to introduce new software without the host's blessing, like how an OS protects its kernel so that 3rd party code can execute without auditing by the OS vendor. Like
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
information theory such as the CAP theorem. My goal is for ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast /...\ network. I'm not saying the latter isn't important... just that it's a lot harder to achieve and has little value without the former. If nobody is developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized /...\ mean by this distinction? Functional decentralization means I can run any app you can, I own my data, and we can make direct connections without a third party arbiter being able to control what we do or say. For example, if we were on a functionally decentralized network I could
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
David Geib <trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Trust without some centralized "god" somewhere is extraordinarily hard for the reasons you discuss. How do I trust? How do I compute trust? How do I cooperate with peers to compute trust while being sure these peers /...\ network is totally compromised, meaning no communication can take place between anyone, then you can't do anything in the direction of fixing it without having some external network to use to coordinate. But that's only a problem before bootstrap. If you can discover and communicate with several compatriots /...\ network and over time come to trust them before any attack is launched against the network, you can then designate them as trusted parties without any external contact. This is like the Bitcoin solution except that instead of using processing power as the limit on Sybils you use human face
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 11:05:11
open read-only source". What is your reasoning behind it? RT>"open source" for me is tantamount to promiscuous copying without regards to ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early days of communism believed this was an ideal. But no one but a thief would /...\ going into a retail store and walking out with someone else's material property today. Nor could we think of owning a house without a lock on its front door. Nope, creative ownership to my way of thinking as a psycholinguist, is conveyed along with the creation of said item /...\ material or virtual like code, music or digital art. You can give it away without compensation for the time, materials and effort you have expended on the item, which is what the forced philosophy of "open source" espouses. And you can have it practically stolen from
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
building a network which is both decentralized and asymmetrical it becomes an optimization problem. How close to the platonic ideal can you get without overly compromising efficiency or availability? > I'm not sure those kinds of approaches can work on a global scale. How do people in Russia /...\ problems. Some combination of global instantaneous communication and digital storage might make it harder for people to behave dishonestly or inconsistently without getting caught. But then we're back to computing trust. And maybe that's not wrong. The real problem is trying to compute trust with no points /...\ have trust. So bitcoin/namecoin puts its trust in the majority as determined by processing power and solves the triangle by providing trust without centralization. An interesting question is what might we use instead of computing power to create a trust democracy that would allow the good guys to retain
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
efficiently defeat the attack you can't efficiently detect whether one is occurring. So I guess "detect then mitigate" is out. At least without manual intervention to identify that an attack is occurring. I think you're ultimately right, and you've shifted my thinking just a little /...\ signing certificate that I plan to put somewhere very safe (and keep encrypted) when I'm done signing the topology root dictionary. Trust without some centralized "god" somewhere is extraordinarily hard for the reasons you discuss. How do I trust? How do I compute trust? How do I cooperate with /...\ interface* and *presentation* of trust comprehensible to the user so the user understands exactly what they're doing and the implications of it clearly (without having to be an expert in PKI). Otherwise malware will game the user into trusting things they shouldn't. Of course you can never
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-24 22:15:06
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
also think you will have a more rich society as you described through the "paradox of thrift". It could be a government investment without government control. Most of the the tech we use today was funded by the government. Even todays VC investments would vanish instantly without government pumping money /...\ into the system. If we get funding without control, what could be better? In the meantime, how do we get people to pay for the tech? The free and almost free world that corporations push now is no help because people are not used to paying for software anymore
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-31 19:36:04
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 08:59:48
software at all? "open read-only source" sounds like you're trying to get free work (as in gratis) from your users, without letting them contribute changes to your software. How is that decentralized? Instead of decentralizing the process, you're simply changing the actors in control /...\ mistaken? In the interview, I had understood that the project was about "open source" solutions. Now, open source is already free software without ethics, but from there to "open read-only source", there's as huge a gap as between vegan food and McDonald
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 12:31:08
inspiring demonstration of why they don't have to be. WhisperSystems is now transparently  integrated in CyanogenMod as the default SMS provider without any UX degradation, and they just moved beyond SMS to a more full-featured messaging system. And unlike Telegram, they're doing /...\ interested. > > There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging > apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had > a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example: > > https://github.com/irungentoo/ProjectTox-Core/issues/121 > > -- Eric
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] connecting 2015-09-17 05:45:33
access Tor onion Web services using DNS: tor2web. Simply by appending .to to the .onion address, people can access the .onion without having Tor installed (but without the anonymity then.) https://www.tor2web.org/ == hk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJV+n2lXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9/ZUP/jSxs0U56wDa6elrkgJRJ9Pf lSQ5U9hBBAR6YE41y8aWcCPsDiM+l5Qrf6KjkZVqQofXaLTjso4cSZlCXtpbtn8u B0hfI3ePKTnr37X1nbBBjEYLYH0Po4/KYBXgRHKOLV5Y+7wroQmG4d0D6rP6hjLw Pp+lrDCQJ/OPiAeGMs0Uns87j2zEe8AQ/gYm64GbOiJGxmK/0/NT5Roki4QyEB1f
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
keep data-bases. Then, the messages > that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, so that Alice can rehost > messages from Bob without possibly altering them. So there are three > distinct challenges: authentication, message-verification, and dataset > coordination. > > Bitcoin, for example, solves all three /...\ something to go on here. >> >> could you use crypto and computers to scale and secure a reputation >> system, without giving any particular >> node too much implicit trust
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Types of decentralization 2014-01-14 10:25:17
managed by a diverse set of individuals. (2) Functional decentralization A functionally decentralized (networked) system is one that permits its parts to communicate directly without involving a third party translator or intermediary. (3) Physical decentralization A physically decentralized system is one that is distributed and robust from a physical point /...\ view. Its parts can be split, moved around geographically, parts can fail without impacting the whole (too badly), etc. Here are some examples: (1) Wikipedia would be an example of a system that is fairly politically decentralized but is NOT functionally or physically decentralized. (2) A flat IP network
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 19:21:54
circumstantial" for the dependency on a secret being kept secret. It would be IMHO much better if the proof would be possible even without relying on PKI limited by such secrets. Most signature schemes actually sign a hash of the underlying info anyway. Why not expose /...\ following but won't > comment simply because I'm about to leave to spend some time on a > remote Scottish island without internet (but I wanted to reply before > I left the relatively connected location of the mainland - I'm playing > email catch
P S [LibreList] First Person Technologies 2014-03-29 17:32:15
back our privacy, or make real progress toward real personal freedom, until we develop and deploy first person technologies for everybody. Without them our democracies and marketplaces will also continue to be compromised, because both require those three virtues of privacy. ... Solutions here will come, like our own voices, from /...\ other master, no company that can disable it, no cloud API that it depends on to work, nobody that can snoop on it without you knowing… that is First-Person Technology, and I want more of it, I will make more of it, and I will ask everyone
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
fact that the FCC will find you and eat you is *why* you can trust that a broadcast on CBS is actually from CBS. Without that it's just self-signed certificates. By contrast, broadcasting could theoretically solve the availability problem for everyone. If anyone can broadcast a message /...\ spectrum but it's a sunk cost (at least until the FCC reallocates more of their spectrum). You can even do the same thing without a broadcast tower, it just has the same lack of efficiency. It's simple enough to have every node regularly tell every other node
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-01 10:22:03
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-09 09:25:35
deeply. The trust question I'm investigating is application-integrity during third-party extension. Autonomy means, in this case, freedom to introduce new software without the host's blessing, like how an OS protects its kernel so that 3rd party code can execute without auditing by the OS vendor. Like
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 13:51:28
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with
frabcus [GG] Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-25 11:58:00
only when they're usable enough! Would love feedback, and also ideas of decentralized apps you can *actually use* - not just prototypes, or platforms without apps, or things without installers on major platforms. Best wishes, Francis
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
keep data-bases. Then, the messages > that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, so that Alice can rehost > messages from Bob without possibly altering them. So there are three > distinct challenges: authentication, message-verification, and dataset > coordination. > > Bitcoin, for example, solves all three /...\ something to go on here. >> >> could you use crypto and computers to scale and secure a reputation >> system, without giving any particular >> node too much implicit trust
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
trust question I'm investigating is application-integrity during third-party extension. Autonomy means, in this case, freedom to introduce new software without the host's blessing, like how an OS protects its kernel so that 3rd party code can execute without auditing by the OS vendor. Like
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
attempt to solve the need to trust Citibank's remote service, but I do offer a way to extend Citibank's software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint, in this case, is one such extension ("now with more graphs!"). What Web applications choose to make alterable is at their /...\ users to share extensions with each other (like they share pages now). Users, therefore, have the autonomy to develop and personalize Web applications without belonging to the host organization. Following our example, you don't have to be a Citibank dev to dev Citibank. I'd need to research
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
nodes to keep data-bases. Then, the messages that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, so that Alice can rehost messages from Bob without possibly altering them. So there are three distinct challenges: authentication, message-verification, and dataset coordination. Bitcoin, for example, solves all three of these problems. Broadly /...\ quite lossy) but we do have something to go on here. could you use crypto and computers to scale and secure a reputation system, without giving any particular node too much implicit trust? On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: > Thought
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:06:32
SHA512 On 09/02/2015 12:05 PM, Robert Tischer wrote: > > RT>"open source" for me is tantamount to promiscuous copying without > regards to ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early > days of communism believed this was an ideal /...\ culture, on par with scientific knowledge. The arts show that you can pay for a work and make it available to the public without further fee. Artists paid for their work don't complain that they don't get a fee for each visitor. Second-hand bookstore are not illegal
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, so that Alice can >> > rehost >> > messages from Bob without possibly altering them. So there are three >> > distinct challenges: authentication, message-verification, and dataset >> > coordination /...\ could you use crypto and computers to scale and secure a reputation >> >> system, without giving any particular >> >> node too much implicit trust
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
attempt to solve the need to trust Citibank's remote service, but I do offer a way to extend Citibank's software at runtime without compromising its integrity. Mint, in this case, is one such extension ("now with more graphs!"). What Web applications choose to make alterable is at their /...\ users to share extensions with each other (like they share pages now). Users, therefore, have the autonomy to develop and personalize Web applications without belonging to the host organization. Following our example, you don't have to be a Citibank dev to dev Citibank. I'd need to research
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
trick or deny service to other nodes in the network. Who said that a user should ever *depend* on some people hosting your data without any responsibility? Instead you want "some appropriate degree of decentralization". (There is no global jurisdiction either. And we *should* abstain from invention /...\ something. Dominic, which system are you referring to here? > could you use crypto and computers to scale and secure a reputation > system, without giving any particular > node too much implicit trust? Yes. See above: I'd control whom I contract with to ensure those bear witness
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:34:56
implementation. I'm always eager to replace as much of our code with things from elsewhere until we can run our stuff without any reference to our code. THAT would be the implementation independence I strive for (and take away much of the burden of maintaining the code during /...\ currently working on some simple payment system. (I >> picked "payment system" because that's something everyone understands >> without explanation of the app's purpose; however it's only an >> application which requires the features to be demonstrated
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] First Person Technologies 2014-03-30 15:00:08
back our privacy, or make real progress toward real personal freedom, until we develop and deploy first person technologies for everybody. Without them our democracies and marketplaces will also continue to be compromised, because both require those three virtues of privacy. ... Solutions here will come, like our own voices, from /...\ other master, no company that can disable it, no clou d API that it depends on to work, nobody that can snoop on it without you knowing… that is First-Person Technology, and I want more of it, I will make more of it, and I will ask everyone
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 11:57:52
this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today. -- konklone.com | @konklone
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-14 14:19:49
David Burns < tdbtdb@gmail.com > wrote: https://github.com/getlantern/lantern/wiki/Questions-and-Answers I had not heard about lantern until today. My impression is it is tor without security. It just gives people a way to access blocked sites, and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-14 14:28:04
David Burns < tdbtdb@gmail.com > wrote: https://github.com/getlantern/lantern/wiki/Questions-and-Answers I had not heard about lantern until today. My impression is it is tor without security. It just gives people a way to access blocked sites, and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
read the following but won't comment simply because I'm about to leave to spend some time on a remote Scottish island without internet (but I wanted to reply before I left the relatively connected location of the mainland - I'm playing email catch-up). I'll re-read
Daniel Maher [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-18 14:45:21
David Burns wrote: > https://github.com/getlantern/lantern/wiki/Questions-and-Answers > > I had not heard about lantern until today. My impression is it is tor > without security. It just gives people a way to access blocked sites, > and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:52:55
send resources > anywhere. It's more Stalin than Lovecraft. I think it’s probably possible to have a coordinator that coordinates without knowing *much* about what it is coordinating, via careful and clever use of cryptography. I was more interested in the over-arching theoretical question of whether
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
they can. But there's no text > > written for this piece. Everyone is writing their part as we go. > > Acceptance without criticism means we're giving ink to those who do in > > the name of others, using their broken assumptions, confirmed in their
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 14:41:22
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-29 19:55:53
hitting demo of the fact that IP is in fact the P2P protocol we’re looking for (provided it can run without a ton of walls and moats in the way). -Adam On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:14 PM, David Burns < tdbtdb@gmail.com > wrote: Here
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-31 21:36:34
hitting demo of the fact that IP is in fact the P2P protocol we’re looking for (provided it can run without a ton of walls and moats in the way). -Adam On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:14 PM, David Burns < tdbtdb@gmail.com > wrote: Here
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
technology makes it easy to control the client-side code from a server (javascript/browsers), allowing to reduce latency and to do code upgrades without manual intervention on the client side. Just go to "google @ ZT1 earth" and enjoy. 3. Sustainability: the resources (earned via ads, see above
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:35:23
makes it easy to control > the client-side code from a server (javascript/browsers), > allowing to reduce latency and to do code upgrades without > manual intervention on the client side. Just go to "google @ ZT1 earth" > and enjoy. > > 3. Sustainability: the resources (earned
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 14:44:40
quite lossy) but we do have something to go on here. could you use crypto and computers to scale and secure a reputation system, without giving any particular node too much implicit trust? On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Adam Ierymenko <adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com> wrote: > Thought
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:08:18
quite lossy) but we do have something to go on here. could you use crypto and computers to scale and secure a reputation system, without giving any particular node too much implicit trust? On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com > wrote: > Thought
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-17 01:17:28
internet marketing so I also look at ways in which businesses can be ethical and how ethical projects can become mainstream and adoptable without compromising their integrity.   I will be on hand at the conference along with all the other volunteers so if you need anything
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 13:20:45
makes it easy to control > the client-side code from a server (javascript/browsers), > allowing to reduce latency and to do code upgrades without > manual intervention on the client side. Just go to "google @ ZT1 earth" > and enjoy. Latency would be even better. Once download
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:07:09
being decentralized. > Then, the messages that construct the datasets need to be verifiable, > so that Alice can rehost messages from Bob without possibly altering them. If we did not fail when creating the data at Bob's, Alice's and two more (we should have at least four
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:45:37
illustrate: I'm currently working on some simple payment system. (I picked "payment system" because that's something everyone understands without explanation of the app's purpose; however it's only an application which requires the features to be demonstrated.) It works like this: * Every "wallet
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 12:45:35
malicious updates too? To illustrate: I'm currently working on some simple payment system. (I picked "payment system" because that's something everyone understands without explanation of the app's purpose; however it's only an application which requires the features to be demonstrated.) It works like this: * Every "wallet
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 06:51:59
illustrate: I'm currently working on some simple payment system. (I > picked "payment system" because that's something everyone understands > without explanation of the app's purpose; however it's only an > application which requires the features to be demonstrated.) > > It works like
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] who will be going to FLOSS4P2P? 2015-03-08 09:57:59
other decentralized projects an initiative to make our projects interoperable. We think that the decentralized tools will fail if they don't interoperate together. Without this interoperability, the basic user will stay with Google, Dropbox & co, for the sake of simplicity. See you there ! Le 08/03/2015 02:03, Nick
frabcus [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 07:24:00
unfortunately our Librelist stopped working. It just ate everyone's emails without sending them out to everyone. We tried to get the administrators to investigate it, and failed. It's a salutary lesson in the level of quality, and ongoing maintenance / support the decentralized alternatives need to have to compete
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 11:17:34
part as much as they can. But there's no text written for this piece. Everyone is writing their part as we go. Acceptance without criticism means we're giving ink to those who do in the name of others, using their broken assumptions, confirmed in their biases by their
Julien Rabier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 14:06:09
interview, I had understood that the project was about "open > source" solutions. Now, open source is already free software without > ethics, but from there to "open read-only source", there's as huge a gap > as between vegan food and McDonald
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 11:31:17
marketing so I also look at ways in which > businesses can be ethical and how ethical projects can become > mainstream and adoptable without compromising their integrity. >> >> I > will be on hand at the conference along with all the other volunteers
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 13:38:46
internet marketing so I also look at ways in which businesses can be ethical and how ethical projects can become mainstream and adoptable without compromising their integrity. I will be on hand at the conference along with all the other volunteers so if you need anything
Adrien [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 09:07:00
have hurt someone with my previous message, but yeah, I don't like Google. I know that it's difficult to live without them but at least concerning the mailing list, it is easy. Regards, Adrien
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 16:07:02
Proof of > Existence, a simple and clever way to use the Bitcoin blockchain to > prove you had something at a given time, without revealing what the > something is. > > What else is out there? > > -- Eric > > -- > konklone.com | @konklone
feross [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 14:34:00
WebTorrent Desktop ( https://webtorrent.io/desktop ) as a torrent client, almost daily.  I also use Instant ( https://instant.io ) to send files to friends without using a centralized service, or an app you need to install like Dropbox. I've used Patchwork ( https://ssbc.github.io/patchwork/
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 19:00:50
Basically, I am interested in making it easy for regular people >> to take advantage of the efficiencies of self-hosting, without >> having to know how that works. >> >> Some background: I follow the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance >> Court here
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 01:16:33
input about it. Basically, I am interested in making it easy for regular people to take advantage of the efficiencies of self-hosting, without having to know how that works. Some background: I follow the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court here in the US pretty closely, and when I noticed that
Jonathan Deamer [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 16:21:10
seen Proof of Existence , a simple and clever way to use the Bitcoin blockchain to prove you had something at a given time, without revealing what the something is. What else is out there? -- Eric -- konklone.com | @konklone
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 12:02:15
seen Proof of Existence , a simple and clever way to use the Bitcoin blockchain to prove you had something at a given time, without revealing what the something is. What else is out there? -- Eric -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 23:56:09
Basically, I am interested in making it easy for regular people to > take advantage of the efficiencies of self-hosting, without having to > know how that works. > > Some background: I follow the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court > here in the US pretty closely, and when
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:58:22
Basically, I am interested in making it easy for regular people >> to take advantage of the efficiencies of self-hosting, without >> having to know how that works. >> >> Some background: I follow the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance >> Court here
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-03 10:36:17
seen Proof of Existence , a simple and clever way to use the Bitcoin blockchain to prove you had something at a given time, without revealing what the something is. What else is out there? -- Eric -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone -- konklone.com | @konklone
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-05 16:13:36
Basically, I am interested in making it easy for regular people >> to take advantage of the efficiencies of self-hosting, without >> having to know how that works. >> >> Some background: I follow the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance >> Court here
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-29 15:17:09
hitting demo of the fact that IP is in fact the P2P protocol we’re looking for (provided it can run without a ton of walls and moats in the way). -Adam On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:14 PM, David Burns < tdbtdb@gmail.com > wrote: Here
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
there's no text > written for this piece.  Everyone is writing their part as we go. > Acceptance without criticism means we're giving ink to those who do in > the name of others, using their broken assumptions, confirmed in their > biases by their apparent
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:48:38
travails? I'm interested. There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example: https://github.com/irungentoo/ProjectTox-Core/issues/121 -- Eric
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:55:06
travails? I'm interested. There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example: https://github.com/irungentoo/ProjectTox-Core/issues/121 -- Eric
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 15:20:26
interested. > > There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging > apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had > a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example: > > https://github.com/irungentoo/ProjectTox-Core/issues/121 > > -- Eric
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 22:46:58
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 17:53:18
There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had a frustrating interaction with the Tox team here, for example: > >     https://github.com/irungentoo/ProjectTox-Core/issues/121
holger krekel [LibreList] any meeting point for tonight? 2015-10-16 08:18:38
internet marketing so I also look at ways in which businesses can be ethical and how ethical projects can become mainstream and adoptable without comprom > ising their integrity. > > I will be on hand at the conference along with all the other volunteers so if you need anything
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 12:22:12
your email too quickly (though FWIW, for some reason I also initially assumed you were a Telegram developer - probably because you said "our project" without a name), and you were just describing something that happened to you. Generally speaking, Telegram's problem is the same
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-01 21:02:50
they know where the IM should be sent. In this scenario, do you think it's possible for me to get this information without the server also getting it (by decrypting the IP/port pairs however I'd decrypt them), thereby eliminating the critical zero-knowledge aspect?  Is this
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
consumption statements, invoices, health data, …)  4/ P2P social networks for decentralized social requests, such as social comparisons or epidemiology without disseminating  data… 5/ trust hardware provider (cf bellow), 6/ Addressing systems (ideally a decentralized DNS, others wise a fragmentation
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-03 14:56:05
could use a 7-of-10 scheme that allows for up to three oracles to behave maliciously, be offline, or even be hacked without affecting the execution of the contract. This is the same concept as Askemos deploys. However: when written like this, one might assume
Louise Ishka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-03 08:38:06
Basically, I am interested in making it easy for regular people >> to take advantage of the efficiencies of self-hosting, without >> having to know how that works. >> >> Some background: I follow the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance >> Court here
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 21:02:50
they can.  But there's no text written for this piece.  Everyone is writing their part as we go. Acceptance without criticism means we're giving ink to those who do in the name of others, using their broken assumptions, confirmed in their biases by their
Francis Irving [LibreList] Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 20:07:43
internet marketing so I also look at ways in which businesses can be ethical and how ethical projects can become mainstream and adoptable without compromising their integrity.   I will be on hand at the conference along with all the other volunteers so if you need anything
Eric Mill [LibreList] What *else* are people doing with blockchains? 2014-01-02 10:41:43
seen Proof of Existence , a simple and clever way to use the Bitcoin blockchain to prove you had something at a given time, without revealing what the something is. What else is out there? -- Eric -- konklone.com | @konklone
Francis Irving [LibreList] Bitcloud - decentralized, paid-for storage 2014-01-16 17:35:30
/wetube/bitcloud/blob/master/Bitcloud%20Nontechnical%20White%20Paper.md It does something funky called "proof of bandwidth" (a type of proof of stake) to measure the bandwidth people are providing without them able to cheat it. Francis
David Burns [LibreList] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-14 10:32:47
github.com/getlantern/lantern/wiki/Questions-and-Answers I had not heard about lantern until today. My impression is it is tor without security. It just gives people a way to access blocked sites, and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential security nightmare. The only obvious advantage versus
feross [GG] WebTorrent Desktop - open source streaming torrent client 2016-04-06 17:28:00
BitTorrent in the browser will really happen. Projects like the Internet Archive can make huge files available for immediate streaming on their website, without paying for bandwidth. Let me know what you guys think. Feross
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 14:07:49
internet marketing so I also look at ways in which businesses can be ethical and how ethical projects can become mainstream and adoptable without compromising their integrity.   I will be on hand at the conference along with all the other volunteers so if you need anything
will.sch [LibreList] RDC 15 2015-10-15 13:25:28
internet marketing so I also look at ways in which businesses can be ethical and how ethical projects can become mainstream and adoptable without compromising their integrity. I will be on hand at the conference along with all the other volunteers so if you need anything
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
much as they can. But there's no text > written for this piece. Everyone is writing their part as we go. > Acceptance without criticism means we're giving ink to those who do in > the name of others, using their broken assumptions, confirmed in their > biases
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:02:36
infected service container, and the system is left untouched. That threat could also be mitigated by smart firewalls that can respond selectively to attacks without just blanket-blocking everything. Unfortunately the cargo cultists think the blanket-block-all firewall is (a) necessary and (b) effective and will shriek and scream
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:27:01
infected service container, and the system is left untouched. That threat could also be mitigated by smart firewalls that can respond selectively to attacks without just blanket-blocking everything. Unfortunately the cargo cultists think the blanket-block-all firewall is (a) necessary and (b) effective and will shriek and scream
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:31:33
infected service container, and the system is left untouched. That threat could also be mitigated by smart firewalls that can respond selectively to attacks without just blanket-blocking everything. Unfortunately the cargo cultists think the blanket-block-all firewall is (a) necessary and (b) effective and will shriek and scream
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-07 17:32:09
partitioned, some nodes will lose contact with the centre - they must either stop operating until they re-establish contact, or continue to operate without the centre's guidance. A distributed system with a centre is still a distributed system - you can't escape the CAP theorem by putting a crown
Tic Nticsebastian [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-26 11:25:40
python enthusiasts and really good programmers that need to learn to appreciate the value of a "community" work. Working towards a common goal ( p2p ) without craving for the finances... And who knows if it's good and can be made into a platform? Maybe then money will roll
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-26 12:18:20
python enthusiasts and really good programmers that need to learn to appreciate the value of a "community" work. Working towards a common goal ( p2p ) without craving for the finances... And who knows if it's good and can be made into a platform? Maybe then money will roll
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:31:11
this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today. My situation: we wrote a p2p network for replicating state machines with byzantine fault tolerance . That
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 14:21:03
this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 15:58:16
basically it. All my current thinking is around the idea of minimal central hubs that allow us to have the benefits of central points without the downsides. I'm working on a follow-up blog post going into more detail about zero-knowledge hubs and what might be required there
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:06:56
this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 00:48:45
this blog post you wrote: > I designed the protocol to be capable of evolving toward a more decentralized design in the future without disrupting existing users, but that's where it stands today. -- konklone.com | @konklone