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Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 10:45:08
understand your words, citibank would have to prepare their website with some kind of "extension area" where  mint.com  is going to be embedded.  Though the embedding itself is done under control of the user at the client side, correct? Yes, that's correct /...\ write a spec for the client and the server and upload it at, say, askemos.org/rel/heartbeat . A server which follows the protocol would link to itself with `rel=" askemos.org/rel/heartbeat "`. A client which uses heart-beating servers would seek out that link, then (for instance, if this were the protocol /...\ dealing with the users personal data to a peer the user owns and controls.  - Though I dunno how much room that would leave for the business model mint.com conducts. In the runtime-extension architecture I'm suggesting, the banking site (let's say Citibank) behaves like a miniature
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-11 11:15:55
dealing with the users personal data to a peer the user owns and controls.  - Though I dunno how much room that would leave for the business model mint.com conducts. In the runtime-extension architecture I'm suggesting, the banking site (let's say Citibank) behaves like a miniature /...\ citibank.com , they'd use an in-site UI to load Mint.com's application into a Web Worker. Now contained on the client-side, Mint would be given readonly access to the financial information, and read/write access to a section of the DOM for rendering its UI, and no other privileges /...\ show where our approaches take a different route to the same result.  (While using the same "miniature OS" analogy.) With Askemos the roles would be reversed.  As I understand your words, citibank would have to prepare their website with some kind of "extension area" where mint.com is going
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 11:51:10
citibank.com , they'd use an in-site UI to load Mint.com's application into a Web Worker. Now contained on the client-side, Mint would be given readonly access to the financial information, and read/write access to a section of the DOM for rendering its UI, and no other privileges /...\ parties having a stake in either a) correct results b) conflicting interests iff they where trying to play foul. In an ideal world, we would integrate some Askemos-compliant cache code right into the users browser.  In practice we run a process for the user close /...\ This seems like "almost identical".  Correct?  Except that I've got the impression that your "server switch" would wholesale switch from one server to another.  While Askemos lets you add/remove peers from the list supporting any particular application. So there would be a special
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:53:52
property. The property could be simply a key or better a certificate proofing additional information together with the key.) What's hard to decentralize would be human-meaningful names to those identities. Or did you address something else by "identity"? Sorry-- I've been writing quickly. "Identity" as in authentication /...\ goal is to depend less on central hosts, then user data needs to move freely from one host to another. It would be hard, for instance, for me to jump from gmail to yahoo because my identity is stuck @gmail. I'd have to update my online accounts and call /...\ trust is inevitably what we'll need, I think so too.  Actually I think a simple registry in an Askemos compatible system would do.  Users would choose one or more registries and publish their peer's public key and status.  Plus some one-time code
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Applying User-Agent Behaviors in Web Applications to Enable Runtime Extension 2014-03-10 14:51:13
parties having a stake in either a) correct results b) conflicting interests iff they where trying to play foul. In an ideal world, we would integrate some Askemos-compliant cache code right into the users browser. In practice we run a process for the user close to the browser, typically /...\ used. Hm. This seems like "almost identical". Correct? Except that I've got the impression that your "server switch" would wholesale switch from one server to another. While Askemos lets you add/remove peers from the list supporting any particular application. So there would be a special /...\ case in Askemos, which would match your model: having an application running at peer X initially, then add peer Y and then drop peer X. Thus effectively always have only one peer run the app at the same time, though a different one after the move. Correct? (BTW: that special
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 12:45:35
systemic model for security is the reputation system. So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... possible?  How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? It is possible. Trust is the hard part in all of this. Once you have trust, then /...\ book-keeping is eventual consistency. After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures as well, This would be the easy part. Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for decentralization. What you can do with SSB is publish and delete edges between the logs. This is basically like /...\ signing a certfile in PGP -- you're establishing a relationship between the nodes. One kind of edge would be verification. Another might be a warning flag. That's how you build the reputation system. On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Jörg F. Wittenberger
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 13:59:28
property. The property could be simply a key or better a certificate proofing additional information together with the key.) What's hard to decentralize would be human-meaningful names to those identities. Or did you address something else by "identity"? Sorry-- I've been writing quickly. "Identity" as in authentication /...\ goal is to depend less on central hosts, then user data needs to move freely from one host to another. It would be hard, for instance, for me to jump from gmail to yahoo because my identity is stuck @gmail. I'd have to update my online accounts and call /...\ Either I got money before I can spend it or I can't spend it.  What am I missing? This reputation system would be interesting to me.  But I can't find much about it. So if I wanted to build applications like that
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Types of decentralization 2014-01-14 10:25:17
parts can be split, moved around geographically, parts can fail without impacting the whole (too badly), etc. Here are some examples: (1) Wikipedia would be an example of a system that is fairly politically decentralized but is NOT functionally or physically decentralized. (2) A flat IP network (one with /...\ discriminating inline firewalls) would present a functionally decentralized system. Any computer on this network can contact any other. This would be true even if they were all attached to the same ISP or if the network had single point of failure bottlenecks, so such a system may not necessarily /...\ politically or physically decentralized. (3) A meshnet would probably be the ultimate example here, but for an exclusive one I think Google's data center network would qualify. Google's systems are very physically redundant, so that would be an example of a system that is physically but not functionally
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:22:38
On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:30 AM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com > wrote: It
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 11:05:11
YouTube and search under 'Hiveware' > to see a Hiveware for Word video) > > > > I am looking for C++ entrepreneurs who would like to build > decentralized apps on top of it. Just think of some topic area you > love to do, then think /...\ would build (or adapt or > interface with if there is an API), and sharpen your C++ skills. Think > co-operative applications from the ground up (collaborative is good, > but cooperative is better). The code will eventually be open read-only source. How's that for innovation /...\ regards to ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early days of communism believed this was an ideal. But no one but a thief would dream of going into a retail store and walking out with someone else's material property today. Nor could we think of owning a house
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:49:55
ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early > days of communism believed this was an ideal. But no one but a thief > would dream of going into a retail store and walking out with someone > else's material property today. > Well, that's the point /...\ intellectual property" is not physical property. Only a fool would sustain that their ideas and intellectual capacity comes out of the blue. As Isaac Newton famously wrote: "I'm sitting on the shoulders of giants". Before "intellectual property" appeared, there was science and culture. Even /...\ illegal. Public libraries either. "Intellectual property" is a confusing legal construct that covers anything from authorship rights to patent laws. It would be akin to say that a fence, a kitchen, and a book belong to the same "physical property". RT2>I guess I forgot
Kiktron RAKO [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:37:56
Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in short supply, but >> getting more videos up more frequently would be great." >> >> / *Idea*: in exchange for the privilege of being interviewed, how >> about interviewees must promise to interview someone else within /...\ previous interviewees to >> become interviewers to bootstrap this process, I hereby volunteer >> to interview whomever the community would like me to. >> >> Thoughts?  "Pay it forward," shall we? :-) >> >> --Steve Phillips Co-founder of Santa Barbara Hackerspace /...\ interviews yourselves. >> >> I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, >> involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely >> benefit the community. Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in >> short supply
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 11:10:40
Steve Phillips wrote: > /"Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in short supply, but > getting more videos up more frequently would be great." > > / *Idea*: in exchange for the privilege of being interviewed, how > about interviewees must promise to interview someone else within /...\ convince any of the previous interviewees to > become interviewers to bootstrap this process, I hereby volunteer > to interview whomever the community would like me to. > > Thoughts? "Pay it forward," shall we? :-) > > --Steve Phillips Co-founder of Santa Barbara Hackerspace /...\ drive and do interviews yourselves. > > I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, > involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely > benefit the community. Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in > short supply, but getting more videos
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 19:16:07
Adam Ierymenko wrote: > Oh sure, that would work. > > What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. Network routing is certainly one important aspect of decentralization /...\ suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: 1. Ownership: company control of the server, its code, resulting usage data, screen space coming /...\ entirely on current open standards. > > Now take Facebook… is it that different? It has some additional functionality but really how hard would all that be to implement if every device had a real address? > > Reachability, bandwidth, scalability, all these are a lot easier to solve
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 13:06:32
ownership of intellectual property rights. Only the early > days of communism believed this was an ideal. But no one but a thief > would dream of going into a retail store and walking out with > someone else's material property today. > Well, that's the point /...\ intellectual property" is not physical property. Only a fool would sustain that their ideas and intellectual capacity comes out of the blue. As Isaac Newton famously wrote: "I'm sitting on the shoulders of giants". Before "intellectual property" appeared, there was science and culture. Even /...\ illegal. Public libraries either. "Intellectual property" is a confusing legal construct that covers anything from authorship rights to patent laws. It would be akin to say that a fence, a kitchen, and a book belong to the same "physical property". > my way of thinking
juh [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 22:25:00
only a list of reasons why services gets centralized but also a list of questions what decentralize service to use instead. I think it would be futile to consent about a decentralize service only on this list. I think all of us would like to try out patchwork but would /...\ decentralizedservice? I think the biggest problem for now is to decide which service to choose instead of a mainstream one. A network that would greatly support a working group is Retroshare. I tried it but I never felt comfortable to add unknown friends to my network so that /...\ isolated. Using Retroshare for Decentralize would be a good kickstart to join the network and really use it for a reason
fernando.gs@gmail.com [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-02 11:17:15
wrote: >> /"Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in short supply, but >> getting more videos up more frequently would be great." >> >> / *Idea*: in exchange for the privilege of being interviewed, how >> about interviewees must promise to interview /...\ previous interviewees to >> become interviewers to bootstrap this process, I hereby volunteer >> to interview whomever the community would like me to. >> >> Thoughts? "Pay it forward," shall we? :-) >> >> --Steve Phillips Co-founder of Santa Barbara Hackerspace /...\ interviews yourselves. >> >> I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, >> involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely >> benefit the community. Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in >> short supply, but getting more
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 08:34:56
replace as much of our code with things from elsewhere until we can run our stuff without any reference to our code. THAT would be the implementation independence I strive for (and take away much of the burden of maintaining the code during my days /...\ does not work. >> >> However: This can not transfer money beyond the boundaries of the >> group. (An incoming order would be signed by many notaries. To no >> effect: the group would only trust those notaries in the receivers set >> and reject /...\ larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes >> at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual >> banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as >> in "having signed a legal contract") to keep it mostly
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-24 22:15:06
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 02:23:24
Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in short supply, but getting more videos up more frequently would be great." Idea : in exchange for the privilege of being interviewed, how about interviewees must promise to interview someone else within, say, 2 months (of their original interview /...\ convince any of the previous interviewees to become interviewers to bootstrap this process, I hereby volunteer to interview whomever the community would like me to. Thoughts?  "Pay it forward," shall we? :-) --Steve Phillips Co-founder of Santa Barbara Hackerspace /...\ along and continue to drive and do > interviews yourselves. I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely benefit the community. Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in short supply, but getting more
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-25 11:58:19
upgrade.  The system starts actually by creating a social contract holding all the code required to boot the system.  By analogy this would be the constitution and the body of law a human inherits. Custom and law typically operate by defining constraints that must not be violated, leaving /...\ look like the assembly instructions coming with your furniture not so much like law.  Both are expressed in words. So "law-alike software" would probably a class of assertions.  Application code would be supposed to include checks for relevant assertions. I must obey the traffic laws while driving /...\ break"? IMHO software is first and foremost an expression.  In some language. For which some interpreter exists. Which maintains some ongoing process. I would be delighted for you to convince me that I am being too pessimistic, ignorant and unimaginative. I would prefer to be on the other
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-19 12:52:55
blind. I have a suspicion it might be possible to do better than that, to make the blind idiot… umm… blinder. It would be significantly easier if it weren’t for NAT. NAT traversal demands a relaying maneuver that inherently exposes some metadata about the communication event /...\ marketplace. It’s that nobody’s shipped it at all, and it’s not clear to me how one would build such a thing. Keep in mind too that some of the profitability problems of decentralization are mitigated by the cost savings. A decentralized network costs orders /...\ probably a more extreme case than this one — people have been trying to build infinite energy devices for a long time too. People would obviously love to have an infinite energy device. It would solve a lot of problems. But they never work, and in that case any physicist
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-05 16:13:36
like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things >>  that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. I am working on Cozy Cloud. It aims at providing every one an abstraction layer on top of you server /...\ demo.cozycloud.cc/#home >> I could also imagine using Docker and a "packaging" format >> consisting of some pretty basic manifest metadata that would let >> the app run sandboxed wherever code may be run That's exactly what the pPaaS does : you add a manifest to your /...\ feed for you more than >> once an hour. It doesn't *feel* that hard to make a system that >> would offer someone a push button interface to deploying scripts >> like this. You have the user register an AWS or Heroku account
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 11:07:42
sure, that would work. What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things if all the firewall/NAT cruft were out of the way. Take Twitter for example. It lets me post tweets and follow other peoples’ tweets /...\ built entirely on current open standards. Now take Facebook… is it that different? It has some additional functionality but really how hard would all that be to implement if every device had a real address? Reachability, bandwidth, scalability, all these are a lot easier to solve if IP could /...\ feed, served off your laptop! Oh that was great fun. > > If my RSS reader (Newsblur) installed ZeroTier on all their servers, would I be able to use it to subscribe to this feed off of your laptop
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-09-12 17:14:40
solved > then these other things can be tackled or the problem space can be > redefined around them. I totally agree. Perhaps Tor would be an interesting example to think about, because it's decentralised at the level of resource allocation but centralised at the level of trust /...\ even less than ZeroTier's supernodes, because they're not aware of individual flows and they don't relay any traffic themselves. > It would be significantly easier if it weren’t for NAT. NAT > traversal demands a relaying maneuver that inherently exposes some > metadata about /...\ something new. I have wondered if > linear coding schemes might offer a way to make onion routing more > efficient, but that there would be an awfully big research project > that I don’t have time to do. :) There have been some papers about anonymity systems based
Eva Pascoe [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 Session idea: The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ? 2015-10-16 10:55:10
looking forward to meeting all tomorrow! Cybersalon.org team would like to discuss engaging Westminster on the legal framework that is supporting decentralisation.  In conjunction with WebWeWant foundation (Tim Berners-Lee led) we are consulting on Digital Bill of Rights and one of the core proposition is increasing /...\ Best Eva Pascoe Cybersalon.org On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Benjamin Heitmann < benjaminheitmann@gmail.com > wrote: Hello there,  I would like to join in discussing ideas for sessions at the conference. Initially I was planning to see if there is an interest in a session /...\ list of examples.  However, in the light of last weeks developments around the Safe Harbour ruling of the CJEU,  I would like to propose a different kind of session, with the following title / idea:  The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 22:18:20
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 19:16:39
definitely becomes difficult to discriminate based on content, but the kind of problems a loss of net neutrality brings in would likely lead to discriminating based on the target domain name (e.g. deals with companies to favor their content), which encryption doesn't solve /...\ make it technologically such that even if they win politically it will be costly or quixotic to implement a non-neutral net How would this work? Feross ✩  blog | ✎  studynotes | ☮  webtorrent /...\ seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever that means
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 13:20:45
schrieb holger krekel: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:07 -0700, Adam Ierymenko wrote: >> Oh sure, that would work. >> >> What I really wanted to demonstrate is this: how *easy* it would be to massively decentralize a lot of things /...\ important aspect of decentralization. > But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather > centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: > > 1. Ownership: company control /...\ code upgrades without > manual intervention on the client side. Just go to "google @ ZT1 earth" > and enjoy. Latency would be even better. Once download. Following requests are handled locally. > 3. Sustainability: the resources (earned via ads, see above) to > invest into polishing the software
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:45:37
attempt to cheat does not work. However: This can not transfer money beyond the boundaries of the group. (An incoming order would be signed by many notaries. To no effect: the group would only trust those notaries in the receivers set and reject the order if the intersection of senders /...\ receivers notaries is too small.) For a larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as in "having signed a legal contract") to keep /...\ intermediary between wallets running at too disjoint groups. So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... possible? How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? Best
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 14:13:39
Either I got money before I can spend it or I can't spend it.  What am I missing? This reputation system would be interesting to me.  But I can't find much about it. So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... possible /...\ would I make sure the wallet is always correct? It is possible. Trust is the hard part in all of this. Once you have trust, then book-keeping is eventual consistency. Hm.  Isn't this saying "no, SSB is a data replication layer, you need something like an agreement /...\ relevant only for nodes which missed the update itself.) After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures as well, This would be the easy part. Exactly. Identity is the unsolved problem for decentralization. Don't understand that remark.  So far I've been under the impression
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-05 06:51:59
attempt to cheat does not work. > > However: This can not transfer money beyond the boundaries of the > group. (An incoming order would be signed by many notaries. To no > effect: the group would only trust those notaries in the receivers set > and reject the order /...\ small.) > > For a larger world byzantine replication does not work, because it comes > at quadratic communication cost. Instead we would create "virtual > banks": groups of individuals each running a peer and *contracted* (as > in "having signed a legal contract") to keep /...\ wallets running at too disjoint groups. > > > So if I wanted to build applications like that one on scuttlebutt... > possible? How would I make sure the wallet is always correct? > > > Best
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 14:00:59
north/north-east. I will look up the names you mentioned - thanks > for sharing them. If you have links or document(s) handy, that would be > really great too. > > I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and > engaging them in conversation which /...\ volunteer working in these places cannot spend time to > > have this discussion with the stakeholders involved, I would actually > > prefer not providing access (postponing for later). This would have > > sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps /...\ have control over the kind of (offline) > > services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I > > would love to have a discussion to form some kind of: > > > > (1) Key points worth discussing with a community before enabling
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] A blog post 2013-12-18 18:41:47
hello, If you open the blog to the contribution of the community, I then would be happy to contribute ! The first idea that comes to my mind is a post about "Decentralization : which incentives for private companies to play the game ?" Another idea would be : "Strengths & dangers of personal /...\ data stores". Tell me if interested and when (late January would be fine). Decentralizly :-) Benjamin ANDRE - +33 (0)6 86 25 36 66 - Cozy.io 2013/12/18 Nicholas H.Tollervey < ntoll@ntoll.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can write something for a blog post - probably about the p4p2p work done /...\ 18/12/13 14:23, Irina Bolychevsky wrote: > I think we plan to kick off the blog in the new year now, but would > be ace to have a few posts lined up. I am also writing
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 08:45:25
analogy would be the difference between your house and the public square. And talking to many or one person. <br> <br> Corporations want everything to act like one system because they need control. This is obviously stupid. <br> <br> <a href /...\ feel for them!<br> <br> I heard ZeroTier One got some seed funding. This is great! However, I suspect it would not have been possible if Adam build a completely decentralized system. Since he has some control points, it appears some capitalist thinks there /...\ battle in keeping it decentralized and in the communities control.<br> <br> And your question about market forces? My answer would be, what market forces? I don't believe the technologies are chosen because the market chooses them. An example
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:22:33
north/north-east. I will look up the names you mentioned - thanks for sharing them. If you have links or document(s) handy, that would be really great too. I believe the problem has atleast two aspects - educating people and engaging them in conversation which was the thing I had in mind /...\ volunteer working in these places cannot spend time to > have this discussion with the stakeholders involved, I would actually > prefer not providing access (postponing for later). This would have > sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed to > this /...\ XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) > services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I > would love to have a discussion to form some kind of: > > (1) Key points worth discussing with a community before enabling > internet
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-07 11:31:57
work out the latest version > of an item given two candidates). > * expires - a UNIX timestamp beyond which the creator of the item would > like the item to expire, be ignored and deleted in remote nodes. > * name - a meaningful name given by the creator /...\ some public_key here. This identifier should IMHO only cover non-repudiable, public (or semi-public) meta data. No private data an nothing one would ever want to change. > The public_key field is used to validate the signature value. If this is > OK then the compound /...\ agent object pointing to another (signed) object which holds the script code and important: human readable terms and conditions. The other object would be the contract governing the agents actions on incoming requests. No script object found: either no updates or locate script in the object itself. Now we need
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Blog lisbon? 2014-08-06 10:05:20
either do a PR, or just reformat to look like https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website/tree/gh-pages/_posts/blog that'd be very useful. And details of the next meetup would be great on the wiki too. I'm particularly interested if you'd be willing to do more coverage of remotestorage :) Ross /...\ portuguese also) > > I was thinking to join your effort, and maybe publish from your platform? > > What do you think? Would it make sense? > > The idea would be to put a resume of what we did in the previous meetup. > I already have /...\ article to publish [1]. > > The 13th september, we will do one remotestorage hackathon[2] > > Would like to have your feeling on that :) > > Thanks for your work, this is great what you achieved until now! > > [0]: www.meetup.com/Internet-Freedom-Lisbon/ > [1]: http://lite4.framapad.org/p/nyKLA8u92U
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 00:38:32
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 17:46:37
latest version of >> an item given two candidates). * expires - a UNIX timestamp >> beyond which the creator of the item would like the item to >> expire, be ignored and deleted in remote nodes. * name - a >> meaningful name given by the creator /...\ here. > This identifier should IMHO only cover non-repudiable, public (or > semi-public) meta data. No private data an nothing one would ever > want to change. > I'm not sure I understand you completely. The public key is required in order for third parties to validate /...\ agent object pointing to another > (signed) object which holds the script code and important: human > readable terms and conditions. The other object would be the > contract governing the agents actions on incoming requests. No > script object found: either no updates or locate script
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 01:52:00
make it look good. And feel free to split it up if it starts to get long (e.g. do mobile as a separate post). Would rather it shipped and was readably short, than comprehensive! Can add further posts later... Francis * In the end, we obviously don't want this stuff /...\ leave it at that because the third reason I'm not > bothering with my own email server is because I wish email would > crawl away and die. It's cumbersome, insecure, and a pain in the > butt. I'd like to use Bitmessage instead /...\ Francis Irving wrote: > > > >Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? > > > >Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad > >you've found it! > > > >Maybe a blog
juh [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-28 23:20:00
want to say libertarianism) it is not happening. Instead things like bitcoin come up which fuel the next decade of predator capitalism. Instead I would propose, for example, to found an organisation under public law to distribute literature like Amazon is doing with its services. Not only literature from /...\ public domain but also new literature. But the central stock would be our literal heritage which is only very slowly digitalized, in Germany at least. This organisation would distribute public domain E-Books for free and printed books from the public domain for a cost-covering fee. And it would
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 14:29:51
Most databases document how the admin can set up another admin account. That's precisely what must be proofed to be impossible. Another example would be X509 sub-certificate authorities. The criterion of being "in-corruptible" would simply forbid sub-CA's. Period.) Left with little choice of existing system /...\ build our own, where permission delegation would always transfer at most a strict subset of the permissions a user already has. First we met skeptics who simply claimed that "such a system will never work" and "the administrator is there for a reason".  Those we could silence by demonstrating /...\ break the permission control.  But he could circumvent it using broken apps. (Until the first source code audit at least.  But that would presumable be years in the future.) Moral of the story: the well know problem with the strength chains and their weakest links. Best Regards
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-21 11:23:12
societies, every node has at least one person associated with it, trying to cooperate/communicate with at least one other. But it seems like it would be easy to push the analogy too far, as custom, law, contracts, etc. are only vaguely similar to software. I would expect at least /...\ pretty much our experience. You don't want to push the analogy too far.  After all it *is* an analogy.  Not only would it be too complicated, we *know* there are inconsistencies at least in law. (Let alone custom!)  Which we might want to fix. The useful /...\ found a CS master student who could identify all the contracts of even a single trade transaction.  When we began the project I would have failed badly myself. However I don't understand you "vaguely similar".  It seems not to be that vague.  It's just
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 14:41:22
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 13:51:28
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 18:11:20
peoples freedoms. One way I propose we solve this issue is supporting the idea of basic income. I really do believe more people would spend more time working on decentralized systems if they didn't have to worry about money. I also think you will have a more rich society /...\ government investment without government control. Most of the the tech we use today was funded by the government. Even todays VC investments would vanish instantly without government pumping money into the system. If we get funding without control, what could be better? In the meantime, how do we get people /...\ because centralized systems usually get more users (due to better user experience mostly) and make more money (for multiple reasons). The only alternative would be to have government fund all this stuff. I’m not sure how folks elsewhere feel, but I don’t trust the U.S. Federal
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-04 10:32:38
kernel, the server itself?      It doesn't verify the this code is unmodified.  Why should it?  How would one ever update? b) The dynamically code loaded MAY be (usually is) the output of the network itself.      So it's actually /...\ only correct as far as it pertains to the secrecy of the information handled by the software.  Though even unmodified code would often leave data accessible to administrators anyways. To assess correctness of execution there is a proven way: one can always run the software at multiple server /...\ rather peers in that case) at the same time and have them audit each other. (I.e. each peer would almost act as if it was the server, but check with the net whether the result is acceptable according the the underlying "smart contract". The check could be done via Bitcoin
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 14:15:09
registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server is because I wish email would crawl away and die. It's cumbersome, insecure, and a pain in the butt. I'd like to use Bitmessage instead, but it's adoption /...\ better solutions? Danny On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe a blog post for our blog once /...\ Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost all of the Google services I used with self-hosted solutions that
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 19:00:50
feed for you more than >> once an hour. It doesn't *feel* that hard to make a system that >> would offer someone a push button interface to deploying scripts >> like this. You have the user register an AWS or Heroku account /...\ steam. >> >> I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things >> that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could /...\ could also imagine using Docker and a "packaging" format >> consisting of some pretty basic manifest metadata that would let >> the app run sandboxed wherever code may be run, including on a >> Raspberry Pi (thank you ArkOS). >> >> Anyway, that
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-09 00:40:42
will have an official release in January ! At the moment we are in the middle of our fund raising, so an interview would be really great. Especially because in our slide deck I explain to investors that there is a huge trend around decentralization, and I give the reference /...\ redecentralize.org : it would be nice for us to be present on your site :-) It will be a good opportunity to explain our business models and present our clients and perspectives. I am sure the community will be able to provide good feedbacks, so I definitely think it is very valuable /...\ good way to influence the "neutrality of platforms" :-) The text will be in french, but if anyone is interested to help, I would be happy to share the document in english in order to have as many contributions as possible. ping me if interested ! Best. Benjamin ANDRE
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 11:40:51
registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server is because I wish email would crawl away and die. It's cumbersome, insecure, and a pain in the butt. I'd like to use Bitmessage instead, but it's adoption /...\ better solutions? Danny On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe a blog post for our blog once /...\ Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost all of the Google services I used with self-hosted solutions that
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 15:34:56
because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server >> is >> because I wish email would crawl away and die. It's cumbersome, >> insecure, >> and a pain in the butt. I'd like to use Bitmessage instead /...\ Francis Irving wrote: >> >> Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? >> >> Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've >> found >> it! >> >> Maybe /...\ fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google service pulled out >>> from >>> under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my >>> Google account and have replaced almost all of the Google services
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-11 22:18:27
Jos Poortvliet [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-09 11:33:06
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 08:30:41
attack from a node being offline is to establish that it is online, which requires you to have a communications path to it, which would allow you to defeat the attack. So unless you can efficiently defeat the attack you can't efficiently detect whether one is occurring /...\ antifragile" network. > The Bitcoin network solves the trust problem by essentially trusting itself. If someone successfully mounted a 51% attack against Bitcoin, nothing would be broken as far as the network is concerned. But that's not what *we*, the sentient beings that use it, want. We want /...\ trust are, I think, a no-go because they ask the user to solve the same non-computable trust problems a trustless network would have to solve except with lots of people and other entities. If something is non-computable for machines it is also non-computable for humans
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-15 19:21:54
This identifier should IMHO only cover non-repudiable, public (or >> semi-public) meta data. No private data an nothing one would ever >> want to change. >> > I'm not sure I understand you completely. The public key is required > in order for third /...\ schemes need to be change over time. We call them "circumstantial" for the dependency on a secret being kept secret. It would be IMHO much better if the proof would be possible even without relying on PKI limited by such secrets. Most signature schemes actually sign a hash
Daniel Maher [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-18 14:45:21
blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential > security nightmare. The only obvious advantage versus tor would be > speed? Hmmm... There are certainly parallels with Tor, but with the addition of a Freenet-style in the "friends" mode, whereby your traffic /...\ wrong with this model, and the software may indeed achieve that goal (given critical enough mass). The fact that it is unapologetically non-anonymous would be troublesome in any other context, but generally speaking, a web of trust requires some diminished anonymity anyway, so I can see why they /...\ within the narrow scope of their stated goal, but I worry about the content of that list - in particular, who manages it exactly? It would appear that there is an ironic opportunity for censorship at this layer. :/ -- dan (phrawzty). devops; mozilla
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 00:56:27
hundred thousand forged copies of The New York Times every day or setting up a 50KW transmitter on a frequency allocated to CBS would be extremely conspicuous and would quickly cause the perpetrator to get sued or arrested or shut down by the FCC. But that only works /...\ good guys until they don't. So establishing a trusted identity has to be in some way difficult or expensive so that burning one would be a significant loss to an attacker. > The goal is just to build a system where the cost of an attack is so high
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 10:16:04
registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server is because I wish email would crawl away and die. It's cumbersome, insecure, and a pain in the butt. I'd like to use Bitmessage instead, but it's adoption /...\ better solutions? Danny On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe a blog post for our blog once /...\ Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost all of the Google services I used with self-hosted solutions that
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 23:05:21
Since PKI only works well for organizations, the > user-identities have to live within the orgs. That's a centralizing effect > that would still occur in an open IP/routing layer. > > After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures > as well /...\ What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times >> greater >> than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to >> create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? >> >> I think this is possible /...\ suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> >> Address.  I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-10 17:36:48
registrar and leave it at that because the third reason I'm not bothering with my own email server is because I wish email would crawl away and die. It's cumbersome, insecure, and a pain in the butt. I'd like to use Bitmessage instead, but it's adoption /...\ better solutions? Danny On 12/09/2013 08:22 AM, Francis Irving wrote: Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe a blog post for our blog once /...\ Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost all of the Google services I used with self-hosted solutions that
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 18:25:57
Since PKI only works well for organizations, the user-identities have to live within the orgs. That's a centralizing effect that would still occur in an open IP/routing layer. After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures as well, or we rely on central nodes /...\ malicious or by accident) What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems /...\ decentralization. >> But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> Address.  I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 16:55:31
Since PKI only works well for organizations, the > user-identities have to live within the orgs. That's a centralizing effect > that would still occur in an open IP/routing layer. > > After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute data-structures > as well /...\ What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times >> greater >> than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to >> create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? >> >> I think this is possible /...\ suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> >> Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:04:25
user-identities have to live within the orgs. That's a centralizing >> > effect >> > that would still occur in an open IP/routing layer. >> > >> > After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute >> > data-structures /...\ processing powers many >> >> times >> >> greater >> >> than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to >> >> create a system that enforced cooperation using just information /...\ suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> >> >> Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a >> >> >> rather >> >> >> centralized traffic point within the network topology
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 01:16:33
even check an RSS feed for you more than once an hour. It doesn't *feel* that hard to make a system that would offer someone a push button interface to deploying scripts like this. You have the user register an AWS or Heroku account, and the system could /...\ Minimum Viable Product, I ran out of steam. I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie together /...\ here are working on.  I could also imagine using Docker and a "packaging" format consisting of some pretty basic manifest metadata that would let the app run sandboxed wherever code may be run, including on a Raspberry Pi (thank you ArkOS). Anyway, that was longer than I expected
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:03:37
wanted to do a ~15m video interview, I'd second and help you get it up on the site. Am sure Francis and Ira would appreciate a break, and re-decentralising the interviews seems like a good idea. Maybe we should also broaden it to voice interviews if anybody (like /...\ Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mik e Macgirvin, the creator of Red Matrix (and its still-popular predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix /...\ some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 13:21:14
wanted to do a ~15m video interview, I'd second and help you get it up on the site. Am sure Francis and Ira would appreciate a break, and re-decentralising the interviews seems like a good idea. Maybe we should also broaden it to voice interviews if anybody (like /...\ Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mik e Macgirvin, the creator of Red Matrix (and its still-popular predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix /...\ some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:50:39
wanted to do a ~15m video interview, I'd second and help you get it up on the site. Am sure Francis and Ira would appreciate a break, and re-decentralising the interviews seems like a good i dea. Maybe we should also broaden it to voice interviews if anybody /...\ Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has m atured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mik e Macgirvin, the creator of Red Matrix (and its still-popular predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix /...\ some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-12-01 09:28:40
along and continue to drive and do > interviews yourselves. I think things are currently going ok, but as always more help, involvement, volunteers would be very welcome and would definitely benefit the community. Everyone’s time is valuable, and often in short supply, but getting more videos /...\ more frequently would be great. I feel bad because I am pretty shy, and not overly keen on being on video, and I realise our dependence on Francis and Ira for interviewing people isn’t really sustainable. For the interviews specifically, and it’s my personal opinion
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 12:07:38
volunteer working in these places cannot spend time to > have this discussion with the stakeholders involved, I would actually > prefer not providing access (postponing for later). This would have > sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed to > this /...\ XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) > services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I > would love to have a discussion to form some kind of: > > (1) Key points worth discussing with a community before enabling > internet
Robert Tischer [LibreList] RE: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 16:36:16
things develop. Regardless of our varying definitions of free and their importance with respect to the society's future, I think the world would be a better place if a lot more people tossed ideas (and yes, implementations) w/r/t these subjects around. Sorry about the non-standard replies. I guess /...\ least released under the GPL, does not allow vendors to sell licenses, but it certainly does not prevent vendors to sell their software. Why would users pay for software that they can get the source code of without payment? Well, to sustain its development, because someone else is doing /...\ expand on this aspect of your discourse? > RT2>Maybe another time. Got to get back to work. Maybe you would like to > examine the code to see how I did it? ;-) /RT2> > I think that software should be modular, and not "interlocked
Louise Ishka [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-03 08:38:06
feed for you more than >> once an hour. It doesn't *feel* that hard to make a system that >> would offer someone a push button interface to deploying scripts >> like this. You have the user register an AWS or Heroku account /...\ steam. >> >> I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things >>  that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could /...\ could also imagine using Docker and a "packaging" format >> consisting of some pretty basic manifest metadata that would let >> the app run sandboxed wherever code may be run, including on a >> Raspberry Pi (thank you ArkOS). >> >> Anyway, that was longer
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 23:56:09
even check an RSS feed for you more than once an hour. It > doesn't *feel* that hard to make a system that would offer someone a > push button interface to deploying scripts like this. You have the > user register an AWS or Heroku account /...\ steam. > > I'd like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things > that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. I > haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie > together a bunch /...\ could also imagine using Docker and a "packaging" format consisting > of some pretty basic manifest metadata that would let the app run > sandboxed wherever code may be run, including on a Raspberry Pi > (thank you ArkOS). > > Anyway, that was longer than I expected
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:58:22
feed for you more than >> once an hour. It doesn't *feel* that hard to make a system that >> would offer someone a push button interface to deploying scripts >> like this. You have the user register an AWS or Heroku account /...\ like to know if anyone is working on, or has heard of, things >>  that would play into this sort of model of Easier Self-Hosting. >> I haven't seen anything like it right now, but maybe it could tie >>  together /...\ could also imagine using Docker and a "packaging" format >> consisting of some pretty basic manifest metadata that would let >> the app run sandboxed wherever code may be run, including on a >> Raspberry Pi (thank you ArkOS). >> >> Anyway, that was longer
Mikko Kotila [GG] Re: Which decentralized products _would_ you use day to day if they existed? Why? 2016-09-10 22:50:00
think "critical" things like code repos would benefit most from being decentralized, so I guess something like git but completely decentralized. Websites is the bulk of the internet, so it would be very interesting to see more on decentralized self-publishing platforms. For personal use, cross-platform secure/private/anon messaging /...\ calls would be fantastic
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Blog lisbon? 2014-08-06 08:33:15
that might be translated in portuguese also) I was thinking to join your effort, and maybe publish from your platform? What do you think? Would it make sense? The idea would be to put a resume of what we did in the previous meetup. I already have an article /...\ publish [1]. The 13th september, we will do one remotestorage hackathon[2] Would like to have your feeling on that :) Thanks for your work, this is great what you achieved until now! [0]: www.meetup.com/Internet-Freedom-Lisbon/ [1]: http://lite4.framapad.org/p/nyKLA8u92U [2]: https://twitter.com/michielbdejong/status/488702233941647361 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment
Feross Aboukhadijeh [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:47:26
make it technologically such that even if they win politically it will be costly or quixotic to implement a non-neutral net How would this work? Feross ✩  blog | ✎  studynotes | ☮  webtorrent /...\ seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever that means /...\ meshnet that can withstand a concerted assult by, say, the > NSA is a fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be > vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or > other disruption efforts. > > Technology can only
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:50:40
make it technologically such that even if they win politically it will be costly or quixotic to implement a non-neutral net How would this work? Feross ✩  blog | ✎  studynotes | ☮  webtorrent On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Adam Ierymenko < adam.ierymenko@zerotier.com /...\ seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever that means /...\ meshnet that can withstand a concerted assult by, say, the > NSA is a fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be > vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or > other disruption efforts. > > Technology can only
Anish Mangal [LibreList] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 15:55:01
more. So, if I as a volunteer working in these places cannot spend time to have this discussion with the stakeholders involved, I would actually prefer not providing access (postponing for later). This would have sounded crazy to me 3-4 years ago, but is perhaps why I'm subscribed /...\ Through the XSCE project we have control over the kind of (offline) services we provide and internet websites we allow access to. Still, I would love to have a discussion to form some kind of: (1) Key points worth discussing with a community before enabling internet access (2) Have some
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] RDC 15 Session idea: The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ? 2015-10-16 09:14:48
Hello there,  I would like to join in discussing ideas for sessions at the conference. Initially I was planning to see if there is an interest in a session on “decentralised personalisation”.  You might have seen my proposal in the list of examples.  However /...\ light of last weeks developments around the Safe Harbour ruling of the CJEU,  I would like to propose a different kind of session, with the following title / idea:  The End of Safe Harbour: The beginning of privacy as a business model ?  There are quiet a few commentaries /...\ companies are hoping,  this Ars Technica UK article has a good explanation:  http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/10/fallout-from-eu-us-safe-harbour-ruling-will-be-dramatic-and-far-reaching/ ============== Does that sound like something people would want to talk about ?  --  Benjamin Heitmann (MSc, PhD), Post-Doctoral Researcher INSIGHT Centre for Data Analytics  National University of Ireland, Galway
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 17:36:01
down) so wants to grow this slowly in a trust building kind > of fashion. > > > So, here's the question. How would you best engage in a conversation > with these communities? Note that we only deploy in places where there > is strong pull from /...\ approach can be very > helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to > extrapolate universals from constituent parts. I would call this the > holographic approach. > > The difference between reductionism and this is that the former assumes > the world to be mechanical
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 08:29:42
only correct as far as it pertains to the secrecy of the information handled by the software.  Though even unmodified code would often leave data accessible to administrators anyways. To assess correctness of execution there is a proven way: one can always run the software at multiple server /...\ rather peers in that case) at the same time and have them audit each other. (I.e. each peer would almost act as if it was the server, but check with the net whether the result is acceptable according the the underlying "smart contract". The check could be done via Bitcoin
Robert Tischer [LibreList] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 07:43:26
also see YouTube and search under ‘Hiveware’ to see a Hiveware for Word video)   I am looking for C++ entrepreneurs who would like to build decentralized apps on top of it. Just think of some topic area you love to do, then think /...\ would build (or adapt or interface with if there is an API), and sharpen your C++ skills. Think co-operative applications from the ground up (collaborative is good, but cooperative is better). The code will eventually be open read-only source. How’s that for innovation!   Hope
Adrien [LibreList] to explain decentralisation with a simple card game 2015-09-07 20:05:29
explain a bit and eventually to allow a deeper conversation with the participants. The "game" is described here: http://diekulturvermittlung.at/2015/09/decentralise-the-game/?lang=en I would like to get your feedbacks, do you like the idea and what can be improved, maybe to add some rules and make it more like /...\ real game. It should be kept simple, but it would be nice if we could introduce for example encryption, make the server selection more important etc. Regards, Adrien PS: it's under
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-14 22:14:43
Thanks Jonathan! @All: would it be worth starting a list of reference material / related reading on our swarm wiki? We could spit up basic background idea notes (where the new yorker article does a good job I think) and more in depth pieces (I bet Francis & others will have /...\ Danny O'Brien in 2008 http://www.oblomovka.com/wp/category/living-on-the-edge/ Or this on CNN nearly two years ago. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/tech/web/vice-free-the-network/index.html I think a *definitive* article would be a much clearer history than that. Factually backing up statements about it originally being more centralized, and so on. So probably, finding more detailed
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-14 04:30:54
triangle by providing trust without centralization. An interesting question is what might we use instead of computing power to create a trust democracy that would allow the good guys to retain a majority. > This is basic to any relayed crypto peer to peer system including the one I built /...\ also a Sybil it throws it away. If the large majority of the nodes are Sybils that's where the inefficiency comes from. You would essentially have to broadcast the message in order to find a path that contains no Sybils. Trust should be able to solve the problem
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-13 21:04:47
when everyone stops using Bitcoin in favor of the replacement the Bitcoins all lose their value. For example if anyone ever breaks SHA256 it would compromise the entire blockchain. Then what do you do, start over from zero with SHA3? I think the tech behind it is more interesting than /...\ know. It has some value as a wire transfer protocol if nothing else, but the sheen will certainly wear off. > The ideal would be for nodes to only trust a peer to relay data and then have the destination provide an authenticated confirmation of receipt. Then if there
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-12 20:23:47
when everyone stops using Bitcoin in favor of the replacement the Bitcoins all lose their value. For example if anyone ever breaks SHA256 it would compromise the entire blockchain. Then what do you do, start over from zero with SHA3? > The challenge is making the *interface* and *presentation /...\ most necessary to carry out external to the network but they're trying to handle it internally using one method for everyone. The ideal would be for nodes to only trust a peer to relay data and then have the destination provide an authenticated confirmation of receipt. Then if there
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:35:02
only correct as far as it pertains to the secrecy of the information handled by the software.  Though even unmodified code would often leave data accessible to administrators anyways. To assess correctness of execution there is a proven way: one can always run the software at multiple server /...\ rather peers in that case) at the same time and have them audit each other. (I.e. each peer would almost act as if it was the server, but check with the net whether the result is acceptable according the the underlying "smart contract". The check could be done via Bitcoin
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-15 11:58:55
articles I've tweeted out on @redecentralize, can add those On 14 Dec 2013 22:15, "Ira" < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Thanks Jonathan! @All: would it be worth starting a list of reference material / related reading on our swarm wiki? We could spit up basic background idea notes (where /...\ Danny O'Brien in 2008 http://www.oblomovka.com/wp/category/living-on-the-edge/ Or this on CNN nearly two years ago. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/tech/web/vice-free-the-network/index.html I think a *definitive* article would be a much clearer history than that. Factually backing up statements about it originally being more centralized, and so on. So probably, finding more detailed
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 17:53:18
professional" advice. The security community is realising more and more how elitist the traditional "don't do your own crypto" advice sounds. Rather, we would encourage people to learn security in a more precise and technical fashion, and that includes practising by implementing these things yourself. But - don't release /...\ Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com <mailto: eric@konklone.com >> wrote: > >     Not to drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about Telegram's travails? I'm interested. > >     There's the potential for a dangerous
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 13:51:08
there... N. On 09/12/13 13:22, Francis Irving wrote: > Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? > > Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad > you've found it! > > Maybe a blog post /...\ Chromebook-toting, > Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google > service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. > I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost all > of the Google services I used with self
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Blog lisbon? 2014-08-06 11:17:35
either do a PR, or just reformat to look like https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website/tree/gh-pages/_posts/blog that'd be very useful. And details of the next meetup would be great on the wiki too. >> >> I'm particularly interested if you'd be willing to do more coverage of remotestorage /...\ glad to contribute content pertaining to our efforts here in > Paris too, if that would be acceptable to you. A straightforward PR is > good enough ? > > I'll also add some info the wiki. > > -- > dan (phrawzty). > devops; mozilla
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] FireChat in Economist 2014-06-03 10:17:33
only correct as far as it pertains to the secrecy of the information handled by the software.  Though even unmodified code would often leave data accessible to administrators anyways. To assess correctness of execution there is a proven way: one can always run the software at multiple server /...\ rather peers in that case) at the same time and have them audit each other. (I.e. each peer would almost act as if it was the server, but check with the net whether the result is acceptable according the the underlying "smart contract". The check could be done via Bitcoin
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-15 17:20:08
Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: I've got a list of all the articles I've tweeted out on @redecentralize, can add those That would be great.  Tweets are very ephemeral, whereas a wiki page would be easier to use for future reference
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 14:52:13
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:21:49
because centralized systems usually get more users (due to better user experience mostly) and make more money (for multiple reasons). The only alternative would be to have government fund all this stuff. I’m not sure how folks elsewhere feel, but I don’t trust the U.S. Federal /...\ substantial market forces?  On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:01 PM mempko < mempko@gmail.com > wrote: Hi All, I thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/ 2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the- cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Blog posts 2014-01-21 10:18:04
like to say (that is mostly on topic) we’d love to have guest > bloggers! Provided in Markdown format would be *even* better (but > not necessary, I’ll do that for you if you prefer something else). > > Also if anybody knows Jekyll (or wants /...\ very welcome - pull requests at > https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website > gratefully received : ) Or ind eed, just posting issues to > https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website/issues > would help. > > Ross > Hi Ross, Can I do a quick blog post about the P2P sprint happening at the end of March
Daniel Maher [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Blog lisbon? 2014-08-06 11:36:19
either do a PR, or just reformat to look like https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website/tree/gh-pages/_posts/blog that'd be very useful. And details of the next meetup would be great on the wiki too. > > I'm particularly interested if you'd be willing to do more coverage of remotestorage /...\ glad to contribute content pertaining to our efforts here in Paris too, if that would be acceptable to you. A straightforward PR is good enough ? I'll also add some info the wiki. -- dan (phrawzty). devops; mozilla
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 22:46:58
Johan Pouwelse [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 18:36:20
trying to communicate to the user? And why are you using a line graph to plot a discrete variable? Under what circumstance would you want to use a 1- or 2-hop circuit, and how are you communicating this choice to the user in the UI? If you are referring /...\ wonder: what's the merit of bittorrent as a replacement > communication structure when applications don't communicate via > file-sharing, and would this perform well enough to make it useful now? > > Also second Ximin's thoughts on the use of negative-sounding terms
will schiller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 12:42:29
Would be happy to help in anyway I can. slikdat.com On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:02 AM, ken Code < kencode.de@gmail.com > wrote: We're in Munich, but would love to join in via live stream or something, maybe even help as a Sponsor
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 13:41:47
trying to communicate to the user? And why are you using a line graph to plot a discrete variable? Under what circumstance would you want to use a 1- or 2-hop circuit, and how are you communicating this choice to the user in the UI? If you are referring /...\ wonder: what's the merit of bittorrent as a replacement > communication structure when applications don't communicate via > file-sharing, and would this perform well enough to make it useful now? > > Also second Ximin's thoughts on the use of negative-sounding terms
Pierre Ozoux [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] to explain decentralisation with a simple card game 2015-09-07 19:09:43
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 11:31:11
users, but that's where it stands today. My situation: we wrote a p2p network for replicating state machines with byzantine fault tolerance . That would be a kind of a "global database no single individual controls"; I actually like you "blind idiot god" term.  We always thought /...\ understand that zerotier provides (B).  But since I see "some kind" of "noise" as identifier in zerotier, I'm unsure how easy it would be to get (A) too. Further I take you "capable of evolving" as a warning: how far does the implementation deviate? Thanks
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-03 10:45:39
more like an economic term applicable to central service providers operating services like FB. I can only guess what the to-be-centralized functionality would be: your #1 of your problem definition, the name lookup. Why? Because any following operation could be arranged to only ever talk to know peers /...\ points to an update policy; since this is a contract chances are that no updates are allowed). All handling of keys, expiration time etc. would suddenly be user defined. > In Turing-completeness there are shockingly minimal systems that are universal computers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer I'm afraid there needs
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-15 14:37:29
been > collaborating on. Holger, Fabian and I presented what you can find > at http://p4p2p.net/ - we basically imagined what would be required > in a framework for writing P2P applications: as Ruby on Rails or > Django are for web applications, we asked ourselves what would
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Search Tech Talk 2015-10-17 01:08:30
Google search et al. This could be a very interesting talk to listen to, in my opinion.  So, a +1 from me. Would gladly attend your talk! Regards, Martin Am Fr, 16. Okt, 2015 um 2:23 schrieb Hugh Barnard <hugh.barnard@gmail.com>: Hi folks Just /...\ university/commercial level talk [no discussion of scaling-up, heavyweight discussion of parsers, tokenisers etc.] it's for people that want to start/know-a-little-more So would anyone be interested in hearing/engaging with this? Otherwise I can sit back and listen to a whole host if interesting stuff, my original plan
Jan Kunkel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yay transcripts! 2013-12-28 22:57:27
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 10:49:44
what we'd all been collaborating on. Holger, Fabian and I presented what you can find at http://p4p2p.net/ - we basically imagined what would be required in a framework for writing P2P applications: as Ruby on Rails or Django are for web applications, we asked ourselves what would
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 21:02:50
excuse to shut it down) so wants to grow this slowly in a trust building kind of fashion. So, here's the question. How would you best engage in a conversation with these communities? Note that we only deploy in places where there is strong pull from the field, since /...\ stakeholder" approach can be very helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to extrapolate universals from constituent parts.  I would call this the holographic approach. The difference between reductionism and this is that the former assumes the world to be mechanical, and therefore entirely computable
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 10:51:29
ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting supernodes in a decentralized manner /...\ developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:18:13
ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting supernodes in a decentr alized /...\ developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral
Anish Mangal [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 22:29:01
down) so wants to grow this slowly in a trust building kind > of fashion. > > > So, here's the question. How would you best engage in a conversation > with these communities? Note that we only deploy in places where there > is strong pull from /...\ very > helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to > extrapolate universals from constituent parts.  I would call this the > holographic approach. > > The difference between reductionism and this is that the former assumes > the world to be mechanical, and therefore
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:40:41
ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting supernodes in a decentr alized /...\ developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:46:47
ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting supernodes in a decentr alized /...\ developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral
ken Code [LibreList] ken Code - #ePlug (Meshnet, Distributed Computing, Decentralized IoT) 2015-01-19 20:54:26
history..? Yeah, me too.    We'll be launching the crowdfunding for the ePlug explainer video in the next 2 weeks, would love to share the details with ReDecentralize...    First ugly prototype, check.  Whitepaper, check.  Crowdfunded opinions ( startjo.in/ePlug /...\ step files, check.  Demo video........   For now:  http://kenCode.de/projects   http://twitter.com/kenCode_de   Would you guys be up for an ePlug interview???  Thanx so much for the awesome site! :) Spreadin the word
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 11:04:28
over_estimate the resources it takes All typos are shallow in the mailing list! :) And still: we underestimated how much resources we would need for publicity and evangelism. (The single worst mistake we made.) Could've saved myself a year if I understood that /...\ years, a couple of bachelor and master papers and a handful of grants from govt. programs. And still: we underestimated how much resources we would need for publicity and evangelism. (The single worst mistake we made.) and you can't waste time when you're 1) downstream of a platform
Ross Jones [LibreList] Blog posts 2014-01-21 10:15:31
like to say (that is mostly on topic) we’d love to have guest bloggers!  Provided in Markdown format would be *even* better (but not necessary, I’ll do that for you if you prefer something else). Also if anybody knows Jekyll /...\ very welcome - pull requests at  https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website  gratefully received :) Or indeed, just posting issues to  https://github.com/redecentralize/redecentralize-website/issues  would help. Ross
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 11:50:49
ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting supernodes in a decentr alized /...\ developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Introduction 2014-01-06 13:53:30
ZeroTier One to be reliable, zero-configuration, and very fast, and doing that without any centralized POP is really hard. In the future it would be possible to further decentralize the protocol by introducing something like a fast Kad network, a trust system for selecting supernodes in a decentr alized /...\ developing peer to peer apps that really leverage an operationally decentralized network, then if we did create a truly physically decentralized network there would be no "killer apps" for it. It wouldn't go anywhere. This is why one of my goals with this project is to make p2p lateral
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Yesterday's London meet-up 2014-01-08 06:03:22
been > collaborating on. Holger, Fabian and I presented what you can find at > http://p4p2p.net/ - we basically imagined what would be required in a > framework for writing P2P applications: as Ruby on Rails or Django are > for web applications, we asked ourselves what would
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 12:49:04
YouTube and search under 'Hiveware' > to see a Hiveware for Word video) > > > > I am looking for C++ entrepreneurs who would like to build decentralized > apps on top of it. Just think of some topic area you love to do, then think /...\ would build (or adapt or interface with if there is an API), > and sharpen your C++ skills. Think co-operative applications from the ground > up (collaborative is good, but cooperative is better). The code will > eventually be open read-only source. How's that for innovation
Jacob Cook [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Decentralization and antifragility 2014-01-14 10:16:12
your XMPP webchat client. Does it have a standalone version, or does it need to be integrated into one of the cited frameworks? I would be happy to integrate a standalone version of it into arkOS, which would be a great companion for upcoming XMPP server support. I read over
Shannon Tyler Cunningham [GG] Re: (probably) the world's highest solar powered mesh network and offline media server setup 2016-09-09 04:32:00
instance, must incorporate. That's centralization. If you are self-funded, why incorporate? Why does this need to be "scalable?" Why would it need major funders in the future? I don't think we can claim to desire decentralization while fitting ourselves to a top-down, rigid institutional framework /...\ XSCE - School Server Community Edition) , it is a loose group of volunteers collaborating remotely, but working locally with a common technology base. There would be some NGOs, some companies, some individuals in the mix. Curious to know what you imply by NGO model. I am a strong believer in grassroots
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Decentralization and antifragility 2014-01-14 09:35:05
your XMPP webchat client. Does it have a standalone version, or does it need to be integrated into one of the cited frameworks? I would be happy to integrate a standalone version of it into arkOS, which would be a great companion for upcoming XMPP server support. I read over
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-15 17:06:18
Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: I've got a list of all the articles I've tweeted out on @redecentralize, can add those That would be great.  Tweets are very ephemeral, whereas a wiki page would be easier to use for future reference
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-15 15:59:11
Irving < francis@flourish.org > wrote: I've got a list of all the articles I've tweeted out on @redecentralize, can add those That would be great.  Tweets are very ephemeral, whereas a wiki page would be easier to use for future reference
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:00:02
seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever that means /...\ meshnet that can withstand a concerted assult by, say, the > NSA is a fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be > vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or > other disruption efforts. > > Technology can only
Andrew Manning [LibreList] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 14:53:03
Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mike Macgirvin, the creator of Red Matrix (and its still-popular predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix has some /...\ unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 16:27:31
seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever that means /...\ meshnet that can withstand a concerted assult by, say, the > NSA is a fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be > vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or > other disruption efforts. > > Technology can only
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 15:07:09
Since PKI only works well for > organizations, the user-identities have to live within the orgs. > That's a centralizing effect that would still occur in an open > IP/routing layer. So the alternative is web of trust. Harder to implement, harder to attack. And harder to make /...\ ideas how to hide this from users.) > > After you've distributed identities, you need to distribute > data-structures as well, This would be the easy part. We just create the data structures at all commissioned peers simultaneously. This requires a small computational overhead, but still way cheaper
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-03 11:08:18
malicious or by accident) What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems /...\ decentralization. >> But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> Address.  I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: > > -- Richard D. Bartlett Loomio
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 14:44:40
malicious or by accident) What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems /...\ aspect of decentralization. >> But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth >> Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather >> centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 03:28:23
reading through the documents at the "whilepaper" link. I think I can vaguely see where you are doing with this, but I would like to understand how your replication algorithm works. Do have have a link to a description of the algorithm? Also, regards your notary system /...\ including all > the SQL and non-essential functionality. > Only about 230 lines (pur functional code and again a lot HTML) one > would ever want to manually verify to be sure it does not violate the > required invariants. > > After all: it's supposed
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-09 11:30:40
documents > at the "whilepaper" link. > I think I can vaguely see where you are doing with this, but I would > like to understand how your replication > algorithm works. Do have have a link to a description of the algorithm? A high-level description /...\ essential functionality. >> Only about 230 lines (pur functional code and again a lot HTML) one >> would ever want to manually verify to be sure it does not violate the >> required invariants. >> >> After all: it's supposed to be easy
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-31 21:36:34
feed, served off your laptop! Oh that was great fun. If my RSS reader (Newsblur) installed ZeroTier on all their servers, would I be able to use it to subscribe to this feed off of your laptop? On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 7:55 PM, David Geib < trustiosity.zrm@gmail.com /...\ seems like you should be able to use any of the usual name resolution methods like DNS instead of using IP addresses. The names would only work for people with the software installed but so do the IP addresses. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Adam Ierymenko
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 15:31:53
because centralized systems usually get more users (due to better user experience mostly) and make more money (for multiple reasons). The only alternative would be to have government fund all this stuff. I’m not sure how folks elsewhere feel, but I don’t trust the U.S. Federal /...\ substantial market forces?  On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:01 PM mempko < mempko@gmail.com > wrote: Hi All, I thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/ 2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the- cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Zooko's triangle vs. Gödel incompleteness the 2014-08-25 10:58:38
collect proofs for name-value pairs into some system. Maybe I'm already wrong here? If I'm right, then name-value pairs would be "sentences in a language" (for the Gödel side). The collecting system would essentially perform the Gödel-enumeration (in some
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-22 20:30:40
accident of language that I can make these statements, the meaning is not at all similar.  I would be delighted for you to convince me that I am being too pessimistic, ignorant and unimaginative. I would prefer to be on the other
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 12:49:31
societies, every node has at least one person associated with it, trying to cooperate/communicate with at least one other. But it seems like it would be easy to push the analogy too far, as custom, law, contracts, etc. are only vaguely similar to software. I would expect at least
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 18:26:32
grow this slowly in a trust building kind > > of fashion. > > > > > > So, here's the question. How would you best engage in a conversation > > with these communities? Note that we only deploy in places where there > > is strong pull /...\ very > > helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to > > extrapolate universals from constituent parts. I would call this the > > holographic approach. > > > > The difference between reductionism and this is that the former > assumes > > the world
Michiel de Jong [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 21:35:27
Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mike Macgirvin, the creator of Red Matrix (and its still-popular predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix /...\ some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello! 2013-12-09 13:22:03
Whats the list of services you're using instead of Google ones? Would love a writeup of what you're using and how good or bad you've found it! Maybe a blog post for our blog once it starts? (should be soonishl On 8 Dec 2013 23:21, "Danny /...\ Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost all of the Google services I used with self-hosted solutions that
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Check out Hiveware's decentralized platform (as in no servers) 2015-09-02 15:33:14
least released under the GPL, does not allow vendors to sell licenses, but it certainly does not prevent vendors to sell their software. Why would users pay for software that they can get the source code of without payment? Well, to sustain its development, because someone else is doing /...\ expand on this aspect of your discourse? > RT2>Maybe another time. Got to get back to work. Maybe you would like to > examine the code to see how I did it? ;-) /RT2> > I think that software should be modular, and not "interlocked
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 13:39:30
seeking. So I'll preface this reply with a couple caveats. 1) I am not trying to overthrow a nation-state (though I would be pleased if digital systems could essentially make nation-states irrelevant). 2) I am not suggesting that a meshnet could somehow 'defeat' (whatever that means /...\ meshnet that can withstand a concerted assult by, say, the > NSA is a fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be > vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or > other disruption efforts. > > Technology can only
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Video interview request: Red Matrix 2014-11-29 12:41:27
Matrix  is in the list, because it is a really exciting project that has matured tremendously even in the past year. It would be great if you did a video interview with Mike Macgirvin, the creator of Red Matrix (and its still-popular predecessor, Friendica). Red Matrix /...\ some unique capabilities that are difficult to explain in two sentences or a thirty second sound bite, and I think people would find an interview with very interesting! Andrew
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hangoouts - SKyype Selfhost 2014-08-11 06:53:35
Interviewing the Jitsi people would be great! VERY important project that Jacob Appelbaum pitches regularly. --Steve On Aug 11, 2014 6:39 AM, < jackpot_@yopmail.com > wrote: Hey there ! Your Goals  are great and common to billion people in the world ! A first step into redecentralize
Janislav Malahov [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 11:23:03
apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas of what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers to help. Those who've spoken up already and anyone else interested - let's get together on a planning call. Please add your
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-08 14:29:11
mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas o f what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers to help. Those who've spoken up already and anyone else interested - let's get together on a planning call. Please add your
Pierre Ozoux [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 09:58:00
offer FLOSSaaS, so we take care of updates and backups. @Adrien, you have a hosting business? Would you like to put it here? https://github.com/indiehosters/nice-hosting-providers Danke! Pierre
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] on surveillance and decentralized crypto 2015-01-26 18:03:27
than individuals. Look at tor. Tor only works if anyone can use it. If only the government could use tor, any tor use would obviously be government. Perhaps this is an argument for crypto that even the government can accept? Dominic On 25 Jan 2015 11:12, "holger krekel
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralization on Wikipedia 2013-12-13 23:15:34
Danny O'Brien in 2008 http://www.oblomovka.com/wp/category/living-on-the-edge/ Or this on CNN nearly two years ago. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/tech/web/vice-free-the-network/index.html I think a *definitive* article would be a much clearer history than that. Factually backing up statements about it originally being more centralized, and so on. So probably, finding more detailed
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] A blog post 2013-12-18 14:53:07
18/12/13 14:23, Irina Bolychevsky wrote: > I think we plan to kick off the blog in the new year now, but would > be ace to have a few posts lined up. I am also writing
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 15:26:45
Hello there, I found this via the 30C3 coverage, its very relevant, however I did not see it mentioned here, so I thought I would share it: http://youbroketheinternet.org/ encourages projects to make a new internet stack from low level infrastructure all the way up to end user applications
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:42:22
found this via the 30C3 coverage, its very relevant, > > > however I did not see it mentioned here, so I thought I would share it: > > > > > > http://youbroketheinternet.org/ > > > > > > encourages projects to make a new internet stack from
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Sign up for January London Meetup 2013-12-18 16:22:57
mentioned it on this list, snaffle up a ticket here: > > https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/redecentralize-january-london-meetup-registration-9841361778 > > N. > Yeah, I thought this stuff would be advertised on the newsletter list? Also, this discussion list isn't advertised on the website yet... - -- GPG: 4096R/1318EFAC5FBBDBCE git://github.com/infinity0/pubkeys.git -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE
Ira [Email] There's more to decentralisation 2018-09-25 13:51:19.9682
alternatives that work together and collaborate through open protocols is more compelling than one killer app Full post is here: https://medium.com/coinmonks/how-decentralised-are-you-a6539eeb27ff Would love your thoughts and ideas on this and what we should all be doing next! One thing I've seen since which may be interesting
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Ideas from London meetup 2013-12-19 10:41:46
page. If you wanted to update the wiki page for Paris with any info (even if just contact details) then that would be fantastic. Ross. On 15 Dec 2013, at 16:07, Benjamin ANDRE < ben@CozyCloud.CC > wrote: We will also organize a meetup in Paris, if anyone is arround
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 01:49:27
found this via the 30C3 coverage, its very relevant, > however I did not see it mentioned here, so I thought I would share it: > > http://youbroketheinternet.org/ > > encourages projects to make a new internet stack from low level infrastructure
Scott Jenson [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2013-12-29 19:26:39
page. Most smart devices are very very simple and don't need the graphics capabilities of world of warcraft. A simple URL approach would allow any device to talk to any screen, with zero installation. This allows anyone to 'walk up and use' any device. This 'everything is a webpage
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 21:46:31
found this via the 30C3 coverage, its very relevant, > however I did not see it mentioned here, so I thought I would share it: > > http://youbroketheinternet.org/ > > encourages projects to make a new internet stack from low level infrastructure
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Easy PGP key signing with QRCodes (Mailpile/monkeysign) 2013-12-30 16:45:24
fingerprint, and GnuPrivacyGuard looks very beta to me - I > haven't yet tried to integrate it with my email. > > Would anyone be up for experimenting with this at January's meetup? > :) > > Kind regards, > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSwaMjAAoJEBEET9GfxSfMvWcH/1LWvZAEBwb/0RHsSf0ABgi/ zQZ9MCdOZim+bwPVba9xB4dCR0nMKwYIUCPqhPBLhdZtX8RF/1JaGnNKPSFfuF15
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-30 11:45:20
found this via the 30C3 coverage, its very relevant, > > > however I did not see it mentioned here, so I thought I would share it: > > > > > > http://youbroketheinternet.org/ > > > > > > encourages projects to make a new internet stack from
Martin Dittus [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-31 02:34:28
fare any better than the previous generation? What knowledge have we gained since then? I like the enthusiasm expressed in this thread, but it would be good to hear some stronger answers than the ones given so far in order to avoid a similar (seemingly fruitless) fate
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] decentralization Yahoo group 2013-12-30 20:38:25
fare any better than the previous generation? What knowledge have we gained since then? I like the enthusiasm expressed in this thread, but it would be good to hear some stronger answers than the ones given so far in order to avoid a similar (seemingly fruitless) fate
Richard D. Bartlett [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:34:23
background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project, but on a different aspect? IndiePhone Any other suggestions? Francis
Stefan Sayer [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Intros and current projects 2014-01-02 21:26:16
Most smart devices are very very simple and don't need the > graphics capabilities of world of warcraft. A simple URL approach > would allow any device to talk to any screen, with zero > installation. This allows anyone to 'walk up and use' any > device
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 16:07:34
product. I'll certainly NOT invite you to find a hack or anything into the software we wrote as a proof of anything. That would be pseudo-scientific and no proof at all.  After all we might have a bug there anyway. You are however welcome to review
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc. 2014-01-14 12:41:34
meshnet that can withstand a concerted assult by, say, the NSA is a fantasy. I'm not aware of any meshnet that would not be vulnerable to a well funded and very smart attacker's distributed DDOS or other disruption efforts. Technology can only be at best half
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-01-16 16:37:12
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm happy to kick in 20 quid towards beer/wine/snacks - it would be nice not to charge if possible, so as not to deter broke hackers. I can volunteer to organise on the 5th, 6th or 7th, but I'm busy
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Blog posts 2014-01-21 10:22:23
March in the Blackforest, Germany..? I realise it's > advertising/spam but definitely on topic. ;-) > > N. Sure, sounds relevant. The blog would be better with tags/categories, but if there are no volunteers we’ll get around to it ;) Ross
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Avatar "operating system for the internet" 2014-02-03 09:53:54
years, a couple of bachelor and master papers and a handful of grants from govt. programs. And still: we underestimated how much resources we would need for publicity and evangelism. (The single worst mistake we made.) and you can't waste time when you're 1) downstream of a platform
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] february meetup 2014-02-03 10:52:25
start putting out feelers in the Austin area. Should we put together a meetup resource for redecentralize? I think people would respond with more interest if they knew the .org was behind it. We have the Distributed Systems Enthusiasts (on meetup.com ) for a near approximation in the mean-time
Jonny Leroy [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-27 13:02:02
background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project, but on a different aspect? IndiePhone Any other suggestions? Francis
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:48:38
drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about Telegram's travails? I'm interested. There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed messaging apps that adopt the mantle of security without truly prioritizing it. I had a frustrating interaction with
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 09:55:06
Telegram: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/ -- Eric On Feb 28, 2014 9:48 AM, "Eric Mill" < eric@konklone.com > wrote: Not to drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about Telegram's travails? I'm interested. There's the potential for a dangerous wave of slickly designed
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 15:20:26
great user experience. Francis On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Eric Mill wrote: > Not to drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about > Telegram's travails? I'm interested. > > There's the potential for a dangerous wave
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 12:31:08
great user experience. Francis On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Eric Mill wrote: > Not to drag this out, but would you mind posting a link to something about > Telegram's travails? I'm interested. > > There's the potential for a dangerous wave
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 10:00:04
background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project, but on a different aspect? IndiePhone Any other suggestions? Francis
Geoffroy Couprie [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 19:33:08
background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project, but on a different aspect? IndiePhone Any other suggestions? Francis
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-28 13:21:29
background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project, but on a different aspect? IndiePhone Any other suggestions? Francis
Ximin Luo [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-01 10:22:03
holger krekel [LibreList] any meeting point for tonight? 2015-10-16 08:18:38
evening today at London St. Pancras international train station. Any pointers that can be given within the next two hours would be grand because afterwards i'll be offline :) holger On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 13:25 -0400, will.sch wrote: > Hi, > > I'm Will
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Spring of User Experience 2014-03-03 12:22:12
product. I'll certainly NOT invite you to find a hack or anything into the software we wrote as a proof of anything. That would be pseudo-scientific and no proof at all.  After all we might have a bug there anyway. You are however welcome to review
David Llop [GG] Job(s): Project Manager & Senior Dev, in Blockchain + Commons Research Project @Madrid 2018-07-19 03:42:00
want to build a new type of Collaborative Economy organizations, which are decentralized, democratic and economically sustainable . Would you like to join us? P2P Models , a 5-year 1.5M€ research project, is hiring : - a Project/Communication Manager - a Senior Blockchain Developer They will join an interdisciplinary team
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-01 21:02:50
server that publicly lists the IPs of the other servers.)  This is basically the Fluidinfo scenario, but hosted my multiple parties. Would either of these be helpful? 3. For a year or so I've had a design for a zero-knowledge server that nonetheless implements partial search/querying
ben [GG] Re: Public Money until tomorrow evening: 2016-04-10 14:54:00
this fields are not only monetary : incentives for big, challenged, European companies to change their approaches and to innovate thanks to decentralization for instance would be great. On 09/04/2016 19:38, Pierre Ozoux wrote: https://nlnet.nl/people/leenaars/ec/ Cheers! Pierre
Nonmonotonix [LibreList] April meetup / call for topics & speakers. 2014-03-17 07:10:55
social for a month's meetup. Preferences? Topics? Any volunteers for speaking or running a hands-on session or speaking? Next meetup would be early-mid April. Thanks, nonmonotonix
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] April meetup / call for topics & speakers. 2014-03-17 13:35:49
month's meetup. > Preferences? > Topics? > Any volunteers for speaking or running a hands-on session or speaking? > > Next meetup would be early-mid April. > > > Thanks, > nonmonotonix. > -- Do *you* have an awesome idea you never quite manage to do? http://www.awesomefoundation.org
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] squatconf 2014-10-19 23:59:27
Naturally we can't buy speakers airfares, but we can find a couch you can crash on. If you have some radical ideas that would never work on the stage of a normal tech conference this is the place for you. http://squatconf.eu submit a proposal here
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Shadow Internet: Please help us to get funding 2014-03-21 09:56:05
things I wonder: what's the merit of bittorrent as a replacement communication structure when applications don't communicate via file-sharing, and would this perform well enough to make it useful now? Also second Ximin's thoughts on the use of negative-sounding terms. Be well, Paul
Eric Mill [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 15:58:45
developers and users to understand and change. The main nontechnical challenge is just convincing people it's worth it. A live proof of concept would go a long way. -- Eric On Apr 6, 2014 3:22 PM, "Paul Frazee" < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: Hello all, Sending out a new post
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hosting services in the browser 2014-04-06 15:18:15
developers and users to understand and change. The main nontechnical challenge is just convincing people it's worth it. A live proof of concept would go a long way. -- Eric On Apr 6, 2014 3:22 PM, "Paul Frazee" < pfrazee@gmail.com > wrote: Hello all, Sending out a new post
Francis Irving [LibreList] Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 20:07:43
sync/backup? What problems stop you using any such tool and mean you fall back to Dropbox or Crashplan?    I would love it if other people run similar sessions on the other tools people most want (see survey on Redecentralize.org homepage) eg on state of instant messaging alternatives
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] GNU Internet Stack / youbroketheinternet.org 2013-12-29 18:08:24
Tim Retout [LibreList] Easy PGP key signing with QRCodes (Mailpile/monkeysign) 2013-12-30 13:43:01
QRCode given a key fingerprint, and GnuPrivacyGuard looks very beta to me - I haven't yet tried to integrate it with my email. Would anyone be up for experimenting with this at January's meetup? :) Kind regards, -- Tim Retout <tim@retout.co.uk
maze@strahlungsfrei.de [LibreList] Secure Bitcoin wallet backups 2014-01-05 19:48:11
interesting interview with Daniel Silverstone [1]. There was the idea of having secure Bitcoin wallet backups by doing N-of-M secret-sharing. I would like to add that the Bitcoin Armory client already seems to be able to something similar. See "Using Fragmented Backups" at the website
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Decentralised symposium 2014-02-27 11:01:47
with an advertised subject matter, someone recording the proceedings on their local machine and an hour or so for discussion..? For technical reasons places would be limited to 8 on a first come first serve basis. Comments, critique, ideas..? N. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG
Francis Irving [LibreList] Spring of User Experience 2014-02-27 20:20:26
background, who have done at least something tangible in this area. Ideas I have: Telegram - who does design stuff there? Brennan from Mailpile - would it be good or weird for us to have a second interview of the same project, but on a different aspect? IndiePhone Any other suggestions? Francis
Benjamin Heitmann [LibreList] Any updates on the un-conference? 2015-09-14 12:32:33
mempko [LibreList] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-02 22:01:04
thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both the technical and the social/political issues of decentralized software and I hope some of you do too. Cheers
Ross Jones [LibreList] Help/volunteer request - Interviewees for social ramifications of online privacy 2014-05-15 08:31:47
people. One aspect of her research is interviewing people in software/tech and privacy, I’ve volunteered and I was wondering whether anybody else would be willing to give up a small period of time to do an interview (via whichever medium you’d like
Ross Jones [LibreList] Tracking interesting events/confs? 2014-05-15 08:36:30
managed to miss the boat on DecentralizeCamp ( http://decentralizecamp.com/ ), I was wondering if tracking interesting events/conferences would be a useful thing for redecentralize.org to do? We started on the Wiki to try and list groups that were either in progress, or being born, but didn’t get very
David Geib [LibreList] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 13:59:15
software today that may be of interest to this list. If anyone is willing to try it and provide comments or bug reports it would be appreciated. http://www.trustiosity.com/snow/ https://github.com/zrm/snow
David Burns [LibreList] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-14 10:32:47
sites, and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential security nightmare. The only obvious advantage versus tor would be speed?  Hmmm... Anyone know about this project and have an opinion? Dave
juh [GG] Sharing with Onionshare and datproject 2017-02-28 07:35:00
found https://datproject.org/ which seems to be in an early stage. Onionshare is quite easy to use. Any opinions about these two? Would you recommend them for daily
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Hello ! 2013-12-08 22:26:36
good way to influence the "neutrality of platforms" :-) The text will be in french, but if anyone is interested to help, I would be happy to share the document in english in order to have as many contributions as possible. ping me if interested ! Best. Benjamin ANDRE
Danny Knestaut [LibreList] Hello! 2013-12-08 18:21:21
Chromebook-toting, Android-wielding fanboy. Although Reader wasn't the first Google service pulled out from under me, I vowed it would be the last one. I've since cancelled my Google account and have replaced almost all of the Google services I used with self-hosted solutions that
juh [GG] Zeronet and Twister anyone 2016-04-06 22:31:00
netwerk and distribute the content. While Twister is limited to microblogging functionality Zeronet aims to setup all kind of services and websites. I would like to hear your comments
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-15 14:07:49
sync/backup? What problems stop you using any such tool and mean you fall back to Dropbox or Crashplan?    I would love it if other people run similar sessions on the other tools people most want (see survey on Redecentralize.org homepage) eg on state of instant messaging
Hugh Barnard [LibreList] Search Tech Talk 2015-10-16 14:23:31
university/commercial level talk [no discussion of scaling-up, heavyweight discussion of parsers, tokenisers etc.] it's for people that want to start/know-a-little-more So would anyone be interested in hearing/engaging with this? Otherwise I can sit back and listen to a whole host if interesting stuff, my original plan
Thomas Levine [GG] Hi and mailing lists 2016-04-22 07:50:00
France for a one-day conference in June, and that didn't seem worth it, but maybe combining that with this one would have been worth it.... Or maybe not. Travel is so expensive in the summer. Reading about the centralization of this mailing list, I recall that
frabcus [GG] Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-02-25 11:58:00
Share" as described on the directory page here. http://redecentralize.org/radar/ We'll add more, but only when they're usable enough! Would love feedback, and also ideas of decentralized apps you can *actually use* - not just prototypes, or platforms without apps, or things without installers on major platforms. Best
MikedePlume [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] April meetup / call for topics & speakers. 2014-04-14 12:36:55
month's meetup. > Preferences? > Topics? > Any volunteers for speaking or running a hands-on session or speaking? > > Next meetup would be early-mid April. > Sorry to push, but I may have missed something. do we have a date? > > Thanks, > nonmonotonix
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 11:06:01
software today that may be of interest to this list. If anyone is willing to try it and provide comments or bug reports it would be appreciated. http://www.trustiosity.com/snow/ https://github.com/zrm/snow
Joakim Stai [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 20:09:09
software today that may be of interest to this list. If anyone is willing to try it and provide comments or bug reports it would be appreciated. http://www.trustiosity.com/snow/ https://github.com/zrm/snow
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:02:36
software today that may be of interest to this list. If anyone is willing to try it and provide comments or bug reports it would be appreciated. http://www.trustiosity.com/snow/ https://github.com/zrm/snow
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:27:01
software today that may be of interest to this list. If anyone is willing to try it and provide comments or bug reports it would be appreciated. http://www.trustiosity.com/snow/ https://github.com/zrm/snow
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 12:31:33
software today that may be of interest to this list. If anyone is willing to try it and provide comments or bug reports it would be appreciated. http://www.trustiosity.com/snow/ https://github.com/zrm/snow
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-04 15:48:55
software today that may be of interest to this list. If anyone is willing to try it and provide comments or bug reports it would be appreciated. http://www.trustiosity.com/snow/ https://github.com/zrm/snow
Odinn Cyberguerrilla [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-07 02:54:41
that may > be of interest to this list. If anyone is willing to try it and provide > comments or bug reports it would be appreciated. > > http://www.trustiosity.com/snow/ > https://github.com/zrm/snow > this is very cool stuff. thank
Michael Rogers [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-07 17:32:09
services. Facebook, Google and Twitter sit on top of several layers of mostly-decentralised infrastructure. Since you're building infrastructure, I wonder whether it would be more useful to look at how centralisation vs decentralisation plays out at layers 2-4, rather than looking at the fully-centralised businesses that
Paul Trevithick [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] snow: a new distributed secure virtual network 2014-07-07 10:08:55
interest to this list. If anyone is willing to try it and provide >> comments or bug reports it would be appreciated. >> >> http://www.trustiosity.com/snow/ >> https://github.com/zrm/snow >> > this is very cool stuff. thank
Paul Frazee [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-25 13:00:02
were "Who decides what you have to hide" and the distinction between "Authority by architecture" versus "Authority by evidence." Are there any projects you would like to link us to? On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Thank you Nick! I missed
Tic Nticsebastian [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-26 11:25:40
were "Who decides what you have to hide" and the distinction between "Authority by architecture" versus "Authority by evidence." Are there any projects you would like to link us to? On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Thank you Nick! I missed
David Burns [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Europython talk on P2P & Politics 2014-07-26 12:18:20
were "Who decides what you have to hide" and the distinction between "Authority by architecture" versus "Authority by evidence." Are there any projects you would like to link us to? On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Thank you Nick! I missed
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-02 15:59:09
else is on the network and keep themselves up-to-date (it's part of the process of a lookup in the DHT). * I would expect (super)peers to *emerge* from such interactions (note my comments in the Europython talk on hierarchy based upon evidence rather than architecture
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 15:58:16
area like graph theory that let us build *completely* center-less networks with the same performance, efficiency, and security characteristics as centralized ones would rank up there with the discovery of public key cryptography. It'd be Nobel Prize material if there were a Nobel Prize for CS. Fortunately, your
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-04 16:04:39
partly about. Mobile makes efficiency *really* important. Anything that requires that a mobile device constantly sling packets is simply off the table, since it would kill battery life and eat up cellular data quotas. That basically eliminates every mesh protocol I know about, every DHT, etc. from consideration for mobile
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-07 21:31:57
apps mainstream. Have fun and experiment. Try things out. Discover new ideas of what might be possible and unique selling points of decentralization. I would love volunteers to help. Those who've spoken up already and anyone else interested - let's get together on a planning call. Please add your
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-05 12:31:45
partly about. Mobile makes efficiency * really * important. Anything that requires that a mobile device constantly sling packets is simply off the table, since it would kill battery life and eat up cellular data quotas. That basically eliminates every mesh protocol I know about, every DHT, etc. from consideration for mobile
Nicholas H.Tollervey [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Re: Trustworthy Contract Handling - Comparison Of Approaches 2014-08-06 12:58:21
easy to work out the latest version of an item given two candidates). * expires - a UNIX timestamp beyond which the creator of the item would like the item to expire, be ignored and deleted in remote nodes. * name - a meaningful name given by the creator for the key. * created_with
Virgil Griffith [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-14 14:19:49
sites, and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential security nightmare. The only obvious advantage versus tor would be speed?  Hmmm... Anyone know about this project and have an opinion? Dave
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Lantern anti-censorship tool 2014-08-14 14:28:04
sites, and the blocked sites have to be on a list. It sounds like a potential security nightmare. The only obvious advantage versus tor would be speed?  Hmmm... Anyone know about this project and have an opinion? Dave
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization: "I want to believe." 2014-08-20 13:10:03
less broken) once we understood how to implement it with the rigor required in programming. So instead of inventing anything anew – which people would the have to learn, adopt and accept – we tried to map these concepts as good as we can into a minimal language
David Geib [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-08-29 19:55:53
seems like you should be able to use any of the usual name resolution methods like DNS instead of using IP addresses. The names would only work for people with the software installed but so do the IP addresses. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Adam Ierymenko
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:35:23
important aspect of decentralization. > But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather > centralized traffic point within the network topology because of: > > 1. Ownership: company control
Adam Ierymenko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-02 12:52:36
important aspect of decentralization. > But suppose Google now served Search & Gmail via a ZeroTierOne Earth > Address. I'd think they would again quickly be able to create a rather > centralized traffic point within the network topology because
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-04 14:49:06
What you do have is crypto, and information processing powers many times greater > than when the property system was created. Would it be possible to > create a system that enforced cooperation using just information? > > I think this is possible, not just because there are computer systems
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Thoughts on decentralization and deperimeterization 2014-09-06 09:56:09
real code", including all the SQL and non-essential functionality. Only about 230 lines (pur functional code and again a lot HTML) one would ever want to manually verify to be sure it does not violate the required invariants. After all: it's supposed to be easy to audit
Stephan Tual [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] squatconf 2014-10-20 01:11:02
Naturally we can't buy speakers airfares, but we can find a couch you can crash on. If you have some radical ideas that would never work on the stage of a normal tech conference this is the place for you. http://squatconf.eu submit a proposal here:  https://github.com
holger krekel [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] squatconf 2014-10-20 10:47:25
really just a one day event? I'd like to arrive a day earlier at least. > If you have some radical ideas that would never > work on the stage of a normal tech conference this is the place for you. > > http://squatconf.eu > > submit
Ross Jones [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-08 21:43:29
good way to influence the "neutrality of platforms" :-) The text will be in french, but if anyone is interested to help, I would be happy to share the document in english in order to have as many contributions as possible. ping me if interested ! Best. Benjamin ANDRE
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] squatconf 2014-10-20 10:54:20
really just a one day event? I'd like to arrive a day earlier at least. > If you have some radical ideas that would never > work on the stage of a normal tech conference this is the place for you. > > http://squatconf.eu > > submit
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-08 22:12:36
good way to influence the "neutrality of platforms" :-) The text will be in french, but if anyone is interested to help, I would be happy to share the document in english in order to have as many contributions as possible. ping me if interested ! Best. Benjamin ANDRE
Benjamin ANDRE [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Hello ! 2013-12-09 00:08:01
good way to influence the "neutrality of platforms" :-) The text will be in french, but if anyone is interested to help, I would be happy to share the document in english in order to have as many contributions as possible. ping me if interested ! Best. Benjamin ANDRE
Ira [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] ZeroTier now has seed funding 2015-04-02 19:03:43
Fantastic news Adam, congratulations! Website is also looking good - clear value propositions and benefits and actions for download etc. I would love some example case studies to see - what is possible, how someone has benefited that I might identify with. Best of luck, keep up the good work and keep
Brian Cloutier [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 05:32:00
market forces?  On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:01 PM mempko < mempko@gmail.com > wrote: Hi All, I thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/ 2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the- cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make
Jeremie Miller [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 07:06:39
often, thank you! Jer On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:01 PM, mempko < mempko@gmail.com > wrote: Hi All, I thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. https://mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. I personally enjoy both
mempko [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-03 10:06:29
mempko <mempko@gmail.com > <mailto:mempko@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. > > https://mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ > > Let me know what you think and any corrections I can make. > I personally enjoy both
Dominic Tarr [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 09:11:15
wrote: > >     Hi All, > >     I thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. > >      https://mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/
Christian de Larrinaga [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The Cloud's Shadow on Grass Computing 2015-04-04 12:26:02
mempko@gmail.com >> <mailto:mempko@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I thought you guys/gals would like this post I made. >> >> https://mempko.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/the-shadow-of-the-cloud-on-grass-computing/ >> >> Let me know what you think and any corrections
ken Code [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 10:02:22
Munich, but would love to join in via live stream or something, maybe even help as a Sponsor?    Thanx in advance for doing this Ira! :)    ken  On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote
Steve Phillips [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Redecentralize Conference! 2015-08-05 00:56:09
That is  exciting!  Where are you thinking the conference would take place? --Steve On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Ira < shevski@gmail.com > wrote: Hello, Really excited to say I’ve decided to organise a redecentralize conference THIS YEAR! Currently
hellekin [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] The next billion. A broken web. Social implications. 2015-09-17 11:17:34
stakeholder" approach can be very helpful in many circumstances, but still fails when people try to extrapolate universals from constituent parts. I would call this the holographic approach. The difference between reductionism and this is that the former assumes the world to be mechanical, and therefore entirely computable, measurable
Jörg F. Wittenberger [LibreList] Re: Sync/backup session was Re: [redecentralize] RDC 15 2015-10-16 11:31:17
encryption instead of SSL. So it's not ready for the casual end user to simply install. Best /Jörg > > I would love it if other people run similar sessions on the other tools > people most want (see survey on Redecentralize.org homepage) eg on state
Francis Irving [LibreList] Re: [redecentralize] Search Tech Talk 2015-10-17 01:09:45
university/commercial level talk [no discussion of scaling-up, heavyweight discussion of parsers, tokenisers etc.] it's for people that want to start/know-a-little-more   So would anyone be interested in hearing/engaging with this? Otherwise I can sit back and listen to a whole host if interesting stuff, my original plan
Adrien [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-06 23:26:00
more than a mailing list... If I remember, mailing lists have existed before Google and we could have asked dozens of persons who would have offered to host the redecentralize list for free and to take care that the previous issues encountered with librelist don't occur again
Ira [GG] Re: So centralized! 2016-04-07 05:59:00
getting for rdc is http://www.discourse.org/ . Will you set it up? I'm also currently trialling Teem, built on  http://swellrt.org/ - so would love it if people wanted to join me there. It's nice in that it has pads & docs we can real time edit, checklists
anishmg [GG] Re: Which decentralized products do you use day to day? 2016-07-14 07:06:00
Openwrt) Batman based mesh networking in the deployments I setup in rural places but still many things are centralized (name resolution, content serving, dhcp). Would love to make mesh networking truly decentralized
juh [GG] Re: Which decentralized products _would_ you use day to day if they existed? Why? 2016-07-26 01:06:00
Personally, I would use Twitter if it were decentralized. And actually I use Twister. :-) But I think the tool itself is irrelevant. I want to be social, so I ask myself: Where are my friends? Where is my audience? If it is not a hoax even turkish army officers used
frabcus [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-03-14 19:57:00
that I think it reaches the bar that friends could adopt it, and otherwise is excellent, it'll still go in. Otherwise we really would get nowhere... But note the usability requirement! Which very few things pass. Alas, not even Signal - in my experience it doesn't reliably deliver messages
Peter Wang [GG] Re: Redecentralize Radar, our super picky usable app directory 2017-10-25 01:29:00
Francis, This is a good and important effort.  I would encourage you to look at adding Dat ( http://datproject.org ) and Beaker Browser ( https://beakerbrowser.com/ ) to this list.  There is good energy starting to emerge around these two projects. Overall, I feel that the tech community